DSCSport V3 Controller now compatible with factory OEM shocks

[One Viper Bite]

http://www.dscsport.com/viper/
https://www.facebook.com/DSCsp0rt/po...30522263740508

Anyone have any more information on this?

I might just take the plunge and order it now...if it works anywhere near as good as the reviews from the full Tractive set up, I can't imagine it being a hard sell for that price!

[bassplayrr]

Woah! If this is tuned/compatible for the TA suspension I’m more than highly interested.

[Dr.Ron]

Interested as well.
Wait, but first a few questions. Please ignore my ignorance.
So this unit makes adjustments in real time?
It works on GenV stock suspensions? (I have a 14' GTS).
Plug & play? How is the installation? The user tunes it? If so, how do we know where to set it-trial & error?

Ron

[One Viper Bite]

Interested as well.
Wait, but first a few questions. Please ignore my ignorance.
So this unit makes adjustments in real time?
It works on GenV stock suspensions? (I have a 14' GTS).
Plug & play? How is the installation? The user tunes it? If so, how do we know where to set it-trial & error?

Ron

Here is a link to the original product release for the full DSC Tractive system which includes the dampers and the controller.

https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...t-Release-****

This system has always been plug and play for all Gen Vs with dual mode suspension so yes, this will fit your 14 GTS as all GTSs come with the dual mode suspension.

What I'd like to know is what levels of adjustability to we get from this new controller that retains the stock dampers. I know from the get go we won't be able to adjust ride height because that's unique to the Tractive dampers, but I wonder if we get the same levels of tune-abiltiy from the controller as well as does it truly make our stock dampers active? Are the response times similar? Does it make the stock dampers capable of making mid stroke adjustments the way the Tractive dampers can?

[sharmut]

Great news indeed, hopefully the OE shocks respond fast enough to benefit from the DSC controller. A while back, I inquired about this controller only option and was told the OE TA Bilsteins were passive shocks and would not work, wonder what changed since then.

The Gen-V Viper has ride height sensors?
"The V3 Controller also introduces the ability to tune by velocity, made possible by the factory four wheel ride height sensors now equipped viper models."

[slowhatch]

There is no way to make the oem shocks "active", adding a different controller to the factory dampers wont change that. The oem bilsteins have remote reservoirs and have 2 settings (street/track), which corresponds to a small solenoid that opens or closes the passageway for oil to the external reservoirs (which changes the stiffness of the damper). There is no variability to the dampers outside of this on/off switch.

I would imagine the DSC tractive shocks are infinitely adjustable in damping because they use magnetorheological fluid, which has suspended ferrous particles and can change its viscosity in real time by changing the current passed through this fluid.

[One Viper Bite]

There is no way to make the oem shocks "active", adding a different controller to the factory dampers wont change that. The oem bilsteins have remote reservoirs and have 2 settings (street/track), which corresponds to a small solenoid that opens or closes the passageway for oil to the external reservoirs (which changes the stiffness of the damper). There is no variability to the dampers outside of this on/off switch.

I would imagine the DSC tractive shocks are infinitely adjustable in damping because they use magnetorheological fluid, which has suspended ferrous particles and can change its viscosity in real time by changing the current passed through this fluid.

This was my thinking as well, which is why I'm curious to hear more info on what this controller does. If it's not able to make the OEM dampers active, then what does "tuning" based off of those parameters mean?

[cubeman]

I currently have Tractive suspension and wondering if theres a difference and I should upgrade to this new chip.

[Scot@Prefix]

I currently have Tractive suspension and wondering if theres a difference and I should upgrade to this new chip.

No do not upgrade your computer with this computer, it is meant for the stock suspension.

If you already have the tractive setup there is a valving upgrade available for the rear shocks, that requires removing the shocks and being sent in to perform the upgrade.
Also there is a program upgrade if you already have the tractive system.
We can help if you have any questions.

[Scot@Prefix]

This new shock controller module from DSC/tractive only works on cars that have current magnetic ride suspension!

If you have a car that has the manual shocks which have dials on the tops to adjust rebound/damping this module will not do anything!

[ayousef]

No do not upgrade your computer with this computer, it is meant for the stock suspension.

If you already have the tractive setup there is a valving upgrade available for the rear shocks, that requires removing the shocks and being sent in to perform the upgrade.
Also there is a program upgrade if you already have the tractive system.
We can help if you have any questions.

Hi Scot, is the rear shock a valving upgrade only or do they also change the spring rate? Also, any idea when was this updated valving and calibration made available?

[Topplayer]

Just got off the phone with DSCSport, he said its fully adjustable on the OEM suspension. Saying that the the OEM becomes a fully active suspension with this controller, fully customize-able, with all the same features as the full kit. This is something that is jumping to the top of my future mod list now!

[Voice of Reason]

I really like the idea of this but one thing we should keep in mind: The controller likely can’t make the shocks any softer or firmer than we already see today with our street and track settings. IE the max on both ends is already determined so we won’t be getting a softer ride on street setting than we have today.

I’m definitely interested, someone jump on this and provide us feedback!

[Topplayer]

The controller likely can’t make the shocks any softer or firmer than we already see today with our street and track settings. IE the max on both ends is already determined so we won’t be getting a softer ride on street setting than we have today.

Why would you think this? I dont have any clue what it can do, The guy on the phone made it seem like it could change the thresholds tho. He said it would be softer on the street, and harder on the track where you would want it, he said it would be constantly adjusting to the current parameters.

He said it would be instantly noticeable, and they are outfitting alot of new cars with this type of controller. I look forward to hearing some reviews, and experiences. This is exciting tech!

[One Viper Bite]

This new shock controller module from DSC/tractive only works on cars that have current magnetic ride suspension!

If you have a car that has the manual shocks which have dials on the tops to adjust rebound/damping this module will not do anything!

Scott, but Vipers don't have magnetorheological suspension. So how would this work with the factory Gen V dual mode suspension?

Why would you think this? I dont have any clue what it can do, The guy on the phone made it seem like it could change the thresholds tho. He said it would be softer on the street, and harder on the track where you would want it, he said it would be constantly adjusting to the current parameters.

He said it would be instantly noticeable, and they are outfitting alot of new cars with this type of controller. I look forward to hearing some reviews, and experiences. This is exciting tech!

Again, I want to know details. How do they make it fully active? As slowhatch explained, the factory dual mode suspension operates with a fluid reservoir in an on/off situation. When it's in "Race" mode, the reservoir opens and dumps all of the fluid into the damper, giving you a stiffer ride. When it's in "Street" mode, the fluid returns to the reservoir (this is my basic understanding of it).

Does the new controller somehow actively manage the amount of fluid coming in and out of the reservoir and into the damper in real time? The fluid in our shocks does not have magnetic particles nor do the dampers have magnets to rearrange the composition of the fluid to change the dynamics.

I'm really confused here as you can tell

[Voice of Reason]

I’m far from a shock expert so someone please correct me if I’m wrong. The extra reservoir we have is either open or closed. If open there’s extra fluid to dampen against so it’s softer, when it’s closed there’s less so it’s firm (I may have this backward does anyone know for sure?). My theory here is no fluid would be like having no shock at all and be rock hard so more fluid = softer.

Let’s say the DSC controller can open and close the reservoir 600 times per second to provide a custom experience. I don’t see how opening and closing it super fast controls the max soft or max firm available, those are predetermined by the valving in the shock that isn’t changing and by the spring rate that isn’t changing.

I can totally see how this would allow a street setting as soft as street today that would allow for it to instantly firm up with a quick lane change or firm up under hard braking. But the idea of creating a more plush ride for long distance steeet driving baffles me.

[Topplayer]

I am not sure how any of it works at all, but if its only a open or closed position than I don't see what it can do but open and close it faster? or more often?

hopefully someone with more info/knowledge can chime in.

[mjorgensen]

PASM is a Porsche thing and Porsche has ride height sensors... Vipers do not. I have been told there is no way the factory shocks can work adjusting valves fast enough to do this. Without ride height sensors the vague information from the accelerometer in the Viper and delayed response won't work well... I guess we will see when a good driver tests it out, I've been known to be wrong for sure.

[DSCSport]

Interested as well.
Wait, but first a few questions. Please ignore my ignorance.
So this unit makes adjustments in real time?
It works on GenV stock suspensions? (I have a 14' GTS).
Plug & play? How is the installation? The user tunes it? If so, how do we know where to set it-trial & error?

Ron

Ron,

It does make adjustments real time with rider input. You can be driving comfortably down the highway then as soon as you take an aggressive corner it will adjust based on your settings. It's fully adjustable with our software as well, and uses the cars built in modes as well. It works with Gen V shocks now. Previously you had to buy tractive shocks in order for the system to work, but now they work with the Factory/OEM shocks.

Installation is super simple. Takes most people 15 mins. We have quite a few videos on how to install. It is as simple as removing the stock unit, and installing the DSCsport controller.

You can use the basemap we provide, or use a more aggressive track map. But these modifications are completely customizable based on what your needs are.

[Dr.Ron]

Ron,

It does make adjustments real time with rider input. You can be driving comfortably down the highway then as soon as you take an aggressive corner it will adjust based on your settings. It's fully adjustable with our software as well, and uses the cars built in modes as well. It works with Gen V shocks now. Previously you had to buy tractive shocks in order for the system to work, but now they work with the Factory/OEM shocks.

Installation is super simple. Takes most people 15 mins. We have quite a few videos on how to install. It is as simple as removing the stock unit, and installing the DSCsport controller.

You can use the basemap we provide, or use a more aggressive track map. But these modifications are completely customizable based on what your needs are.

There you apparently have it!

For the more aggressive track mapping, would that have to be uploaded to the unit and then removed each time?

I'd love to hear from someone who has this on their car as to the difference without and then with this unit on the street and the track.

[Bruce H.]

Ron,

It does make adjustments real time with rider input. You can be driving comfortably down the highway then as soon as you take an aggressive corner it will adjust based on your settings. It's fully adjustable with our software as well, and uses the cars built in modes as well. It works with Gen V shocks now. Previously you had to buy tractive shocks in order for the system to work, but now they work with the Factory/OEM shocks.

Installation is super simple. Takes most people 15 mins. We have quite a few videos on how to install. It is as simple as removing the stock unit, and installing the DSCsport controller.

You can use the basemap we provide, or use a more aggressive track map. But these modifications are completely customizable based on what your needs are.

So while the controller alone can effect some adjustment of the stock dampers, how does the range of adjustment and improvement compare to it controlling the tractive damper with the special valve they come with? That setup has a huge range of adjustment and additional control and I'm guessing the controller's ability to make significant change to stock damper performance is extremely limited.

What aspect of performance should buyers expect to notice an appreciable improvement? And where do you see the choice of the full DSC/Tractive being the better solution?

Thanks, and great to see another suspension option!

Bruce

[DSCSport]

There you apparently have it!

For the more aggressive track mapping, would that have to be uploaded to the unit and then removed each time?

I'd love to hear from someone who has this on their car as to the difference without and then with this unit on the street and the track.

Hi Dr. Ron,

With the more aggressive track mapping you upload it to the controller and you are done. It stays in the memory with whatever settings you added, but you are still able to dial it in using your factory controllers to a certain degree. If you are going to track your car you can upload a custom track map, then afterwards re upload a softer map for driving around town. You can remove that track map, re-upload another and tune it as much as you want. Hope that helps.

We are working on a Viper install video to help if anyone has any interest in the controller. Would also love to have user review feedback with DSCsport buyers as well.

This is a video of a install on a 2018 Porsche GT3 - We are working on putting together a Viper install. But this way you can see how simple it is to install the controller.
https://youtu.be/DZFB74j3jok

[DSCSport]

We did a recent DSCsport install yesterday.
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[slowhatch]

Color me completely confused.

Someone that has actual knowledge of the system's mechanicals please chime in. It is my understanding the oem bi-mode bilsteins equipped on ALL of our vehicles (aside from the ACRs and base SRTs), change their damping rate by changing the reservoir volume. You have volume A (street setting), and volume B (track setting). There is a valve that controls this behavior (flow), on/off, to the remote reservoirs. How are we getting infinite real time changes in a system that (to my knowledge) only allows for 2 firm mechanical hi/low limits. Someone mentioned retrofitting the dampers with another real-time controllable valve?? Which, as someone else pointed out would then allow damping changes within the fixed volume set by Bilstein.

DSC, please provide some color on this.

[DSCSport]

Another shot.
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