TA Replacement Rotors from Racing Brakes

[ViperGeorge]

My ACR/TA has TA steel brakes but it was time to replace the rotors. I looked around and settled on the front and rear rotors from Racing Brakes. Wow, are they beautiful, true works of art. They are also cheaper than the OEM ones. Just changed them today and the swap was easy (well except for having to remove and reinstall the parking brake caliper - that's a pain).

The RB rotors come with a black hat and black finish on the rotor surface. I don't think the black on the rotor will last but boy does it look cool when new. The rotor hats mount to the disk with a center mount design not to the surface like the OEM ones. This should help with cooling as there are openings in the center. They also have holes cast into the slots on the disk. This should also help with gas venting.

Now all I have to do is find a lonely road where I can bed my race pads in.

Here's info about the rotors:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/tw...r_assembly.asp

and here's the specific kit I ordered:
http://www.racingbrake.com/ProductDe...ode=DOD-IRK-02

[ViperGeorge]

By the way, here are a couple of pictures.

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[texasram]

Youre the first with that tire/brake combo. keep the reviews coming!

[ViperGeorge]

Youre the first with that tire/brake combo. keep the reviews coming!

The tires are PS2s in the front in 295/30/18 and PSSs in the rear in 345/30/19. I'm using SWII wheels. Tires and wheels seem to work well. The tire and brake combo will work on any ACR with steel brakes, any TA (1 or 2), and any other Viper. If you run them on a regular Viper the wider anulus lets you run TA pads.

[Dustin]

looks awesome!

[sharmut]

Their website list 2 brake pads (D1001-35 & PD1383/968-35) are the front and rear pads the same size, meaning both front and rears are the TA versions (wide annulus)?

[ViperGeorge]

Their website list 2 brake pads (D1001-35 & PD1383/968-35) are the front and rear pads the same size, meaning both front and rears are the TA versions (wide annulus)?

Both front and rear are wide annulus.

[sharmut]

Both front and rear are wide annulus.

Thanks. Tried the AP-Racing j-hook rotors with Raybestos ST47/43 (R780), uses a narrow annulus and did not feel as firm and initial bite as the D1001 pad size.
Still waiting for Essex-parts to come out with a their 370mm Radical package.

[ViperGeorge]

Thanks. Tried the AP-Racing j-hook rotors with Raybestos ST47/43 (R780), uses a narrow annulus and did not feel as firm and initial bite as the D1001 pad size.
Still waiting for Essex-parts to come out with a their 370mm Radical package.

Technically speaking a wider annulus does nothing for brake torque. There are only a few ways to increase brake torque. One, better pads (Raybestos pads are as good as it gets), two, bigger diameter rotor to provide more brake leverage, three, increase of brake line pressure to the caliper. The wider annulus only helps with cooling and thermal transfer. Of course any change you make to one axle must be balanced with the other or the ABS will not behave correctly.

StopTech used to have an excellent write-up on this on their website. It may still be there, I haven't checked in a while.

[sharmut]

Technically speaking a wider annulus does nothing for brake torque. There are only a few ways to increase brake torque. One, better pads (Raybestos pads are as good as it gets), two, bigger diameter rotor to provide more brake leverage, three, increase of brake line pressure to the caliper. The wider annulus only helps with cooling and thermal transfer. Of course any change you make to one axle must be balanced with the other or the ABS will not behave correctly.

Agree and was my original thinking in making the AP-Racing purchase. It was going to reduce the consumable cost and shed some weight. I'm not saying it does or does not stop/slow the vehicle any better or worst, it's the pedal feel that changed. The D1001 feels more firm or perhaps the better description is more substantial.

[SilveRT8]

Why does ''wide annulus'' sounds weird when I read it ???

[ViperGeorge]

Why does ''wide annulus'' sounds weird when I read it ???

Well at least it isn't wide anus.

[Bill Pemberton]

Damn , George , those are just too pretty and color coordinated , just don't drive your ACR/TA, please, ha?!

[ViperGeorge]

Damn , George , those are just too pretty and color coordinated , just don't drive your ACR/TA, please, ha?!

Yea that's not going to happen. Already have over 10,000 miles on her. By the end of May it will be almost 14,000. i really should have bought two of them. One to drive and one to preserve.

The rotors do look cool in black but unfortunately the black on the disk wore off once the brakes were bedded in.

[Racingbrake]

Yea that's not going to happen. Already have over 10,000 miles on her. By the end of May it will be almost 14,000. i really should have bought two of them. One to drive and one to preserve.

The rotors do look cool in black but unfortunately the black on the disk wore off once the brakes were bedded in.

Hi George,

Yes, after a few hard stops breaking the black paint area where in with pad will disappear, while the rest of area remain protected from corrosion - A very good and effective rotor surface coating first implemented by RB.

How you like those rotors so far, can you post some pictures after the rotors are broken in.

Thanks for sharing.

[ViperGeorge]

Hi George,

Yes, after a few hard stops breaking the black paint area where in with pad will disappear, while the rest of area remain protected from corrosion - A very good and effective rotor surface coating first implemented by RB.

How you like those rotors so far, can you post some pictures after the rotors are broken in.

Thanks for sharing.

Bedded the brakes in the other day with my Raybestos pads and they stop great. Yes, the black wore off the disk. I'll post up some pictures when I get the chance.

[Racingbrake]

RB has a rotor kit 370x34mm (vs. OE 355x32mm) fits under OE 4 pot calipers and 18" SW wheels.
https://www.racingbrake.com/Two-piec...e-V-p/2504.htm

The disc are the same as Camaro G5 ZL1 & CTS-V G2.

In stock.

Kit includes everything you need for an instant BBK:

• 2 ea. Oversized (370mm) RB center mount two-piece rotors fully assembled ready for installation (see installation note re widening the rotor clearance)
• 2 ea. Caliper spacer to space OE caliper up for the larger rotors
• 4 ea. Longer M12 Gd 12.9 alloy steel caliper mounting bolts

Features & benefits:

• Cost only fraction less than 1/3 of a 6-pot caliper kit.
• Not only rotor is larger, the rotor ring has wider annuls (65mm) for extra thermal capacity to prevent overheat and brake fade.
• Can upgrade to larger ACR-X larger pad (D1001) for more friction area than OE (D968) and Stoptech 6-pot caliper..
• This kit allows you to use larger pad (same as ACR-X) which is a very common and popular one in motorsports communities, lots of supplier and compound to choose from and can help you lower pad replacement cost over the time.

Anybody tried the 370 mm rotor upgrade?
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...ighlight=370mm

[Racingbrake]

Flexibility is how we design and built on those kits.

You can progressively oversize your OE's 355x32mm rotor to 370x34mm HD track rotor same as we offered for CTS-V and Camaro ZL1 (G5) while maintaining the same OE calipers, use either Non TA or TA pads, fit under 18" SW wheels, and better yet you can re-use the same rotor hats* as OE size.

The 370x34mm rotor kit comes with needed caliper spacers for a 100% bolt on installation, just need to dremel the metal plate a bit to fit the thicker rotor.

An instant BBK w/o the associated cost impact while retain stock set up - What can you ask for more?

*Thanks to RB's patented center-mount design, unlike traditional surface-mount, changing the rotor thickness will not affect the offset.

http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/technology.asp

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/7568560

[Racingbrake]

Center Mount - RB Patented Design
Surface Mount - Traditional Design (Breobo/Stoptech)

Feature Comparison:
http://www.racingbrake.com/v/main/feature_comp.asp

[sharmut]

@ ViperGeorge

How are the RB rotors working out for you?

Wanted to go with their 380mm caliper and disc package (https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...DOD%2DIRP%2D03), unfortunately test fit with the template on the SideWinder-2 confirms it does not clear the corner of the caliper. There's a ridge that reduces the inside clearance as you get closer to the outer front edge of the wheel. The BC-Forged RZ39 has a little more room, but too close for my taste.

Called Warren at RB today, working with him on putting together a package with 370mm(front) 355mm(rear). 6-pot RB caliper front and 4-pot RB rear. He believes it's possible to accommodate the 6-pot caliper with the 370mm disc size, but working out the details to confirm. My thinking is the 6-pot wider pad could provide a tad more torque since the pad surface area is spread over a longer area of the disc radius. Who knows if I'll notice the difference, but worth a try since I'm changing the OE caliper anyway. Backup plan is to use the 4-pot in all 4 corners (https://www.racingbrake.com/RacingBr...dod-irp-01.htm). Just putting this out there in case someone else shows interest in a similar package.

[kriskyk]

@ ViperGeorge

How are the RB rotors working out for you?

Wanted to go with their 380mm caliper and disc package (https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...DOD%2DIRP%2D03), unfortunately test fit with the template on the SideWinder-2 confirms it does not clear the corner of the caliper. There's a ridge that reduces the inside clearance as you get closer to the outer front edge of the wheel. The BC-Forged RZ39 has a little more room, but too close for my taste.

Called Warren at RB today, working with him on putting together a package with 370mm(front) 355mm(rear). 6-pot RB caliper front and 4-pot RB rear. He believes it's possible to accommodate the 6-pot caliper with the 370mm disc size, but working out the details to confirm. My thinking is the 6-pot wider pad could provide a tad more torque since the pad surface area is spread over a longer area of the disc radius. Who knows if I'll notice the difference, but worth a try since I'm changing the OE caliper anyway. Backup plan is to use the 4-pot in all 4 corners (https://www.racingbrake.com/RacingBr...dod-irp-01.htm). Just putting this out there in case someone else shows interest in a similar package.

I went down the exact same decision making paths that you are going through now.... The 6 Pot or the 4 Pot RB Calipers will not fit the Sidewinders with a 370mm rotor. The 4 pot RB Calipers only leave 4-5mm clearance on the Sidewinders on 355m rotor. With 370mm you would need around extra 7-8mm of clearance.

My car should hopefully be done next week if you need more details or measurements etc...

[Racingbrake]

@ ViperGeorge

How are the RB rotors working out for you?

Wanted to go with their 380mm caliper and disc package (https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...DOD%2DIRP%2D03), unfortunately test fit with the template on the SideWinder-2 confirms it does not clear the corner of the caliper. There's a ridge that reduces the inside clearance as you get closer to the outer front edge of the wheel. The BC-Forged RZ39 has a little more room, but too close for my taste.

Called Warren at RB today, working with him on putting together a package with 370mm(front) 355mm(rear). 6-pot RB caliper front and 4-pot RB rear. He believes it's possible to accommodate the 6-pot caliper with the 370mm disc size, but working out the details to confirm. My thinking is the 6-pot wider pad could provide a tad more torque since the pad surface area is spread over a longer area of the disc radius. Who knows if I'll notice the difference, but worth a try since I'm changing the OE caliper anyway. Backup plan is to use the 4-pot in all 4 corners (https://www.racingbrake.com/RacingBr...dod-irp-01.htm). Just putting this out there in case someone else shows interest in a similar package.

Can you still recall the location of interference and amount.

A customer recently installed RB 380mm 6-pot CCB kit and might have run into the similar issue.

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[ViperGeorge]

So I just finished the One Lap of America and no complaints with the RB rotors. Brakes worked great. My driving could have used an improvement but not the brakes.

[sharmut]

So I just finished the One Lap of America and no complaints with the RB rotors. Brakes worked great. My driving could have used an improvement but not the brakes.

Glad to hear. Do wish I can get the 370mm with 6-pot caliper to clear the 18" wheels. The TA can use more brake torque.

[sadil]

What pads do you use on your car? How is the brake dust compared to stock? Does RB sell their own pads? Do you guys use different pads for tracking and street driving. The TA brake dust headache continues lol