Let s talk about moving threads that really shouldn t be moved or not moving threads

[IHOP]

To the mods I understand anything with the track in it gets moved to the track section. Even though there is very good information relating to Gen V's and mods or driving with those mods. Why must we move them when we don't move threads about other modifications used on the drag strip, 1/2 mile or mile events? In this forum it should be about Gen V's period, if someone is asking only track questions or posting only about track times then I understand about moving it. But we can't or shouldn't be testing high horsepower cars on the street especially when we start adding power mods to make even more power. The correct place to test those mods is the track, strip or mile events and then give other owners feedback or let them ask questions about the mods or cars. I don't see people just asking strictly about the track on these threads that get moved just like I don't see threads about drag strip or mile times and performance getting moved! Can we please give input to the moderators about this! I don't think this is right especially as we talk about how important these events are to owning a viper. We want to grow our community not restrict it, having these threads encourages others and helps our vendors! Please share your input and thoughts.

[GTSilver]

I agree with the above as there isn't much traffic and inputs from others in the Track section as everyone is in the Gen V section. Plus keeping it in the Gen V section might influence others to take their cars for the track.

[plumcrazy]

Can you point me to the thread that was moved ?

[38D]

Moved: Viper TA vs Viper ACR E on Bahrain International Circuit

Moved: Info from ACR track rats

[99RT10]

Can you point me to the thread that was moved ?

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[Stealth78]

I think this forum should truly consider having a main page like some other forums that shows the threads with the most recent activity. Not to sound biased but for us with GenIV's or any other Gen for that matter that are looking for other people's opinions and help, we don't get nearly the traffic. In my opinion most of the people that would have the best knowledge of prior Gen's, especially everyone that jumped from a GenIV to a GenV when the newest version came out, has an incredible knowledge base that doesn't get tapped into very often. The search function can be less than desirable and to accompany that there is no reason someone should be going off of 5 year old information as even with older Gen's there have been improved parts and approaches to making repairs. Sadly most of these guys are typically in the GenV section.

[Stealth78]

In other words the GenIV section is like a morgue.....

[Red venom]

It is soo lonely in the Gen IV section.

[texasram]

Keep track/drag. Delete/move crash threads, members just bag on the owner on those.

[ViperGeorge]

I agree with OP. Leave Gen 5 stuff in the Gen 5 section. No one goes to the Track section. Also I agree having the most recently updated threads in a headline section. I believe the old Viper club did this and I think it was useful.

[1of1TA1.0]

Clicking on the New Posts tab shows you everything posted since your last visit regardless of where it is.

I do however agree if it's Gen V, Leave it there. Track vs Mods vs Value are all still pertinent for Gen V. Otherwise there should be "What is My Viper worth" Section. Just my 2 cents

[stradman]

Fwiw I agree with above. Keep gen v mods or info in gen v section. Anything to do with gen v should stay in gen v section imo.

[viperguy69]

If you must move the threads... for whatever reason, then please let the GEN V page have sub forums keeping these threads in mind...


"SUB-FORUM: GEN V"

1) "GEN V TRACK RATS"

2) "GEN V MODS"

3) "GEN V TA TALK"

4) "GEN V ACR TALK" .... or you may need to break it up into Extreme vs non-Extreme threads...

5) "GEN V SPECIAL EDITIONS (CARBON EDITION, GTS-R, VOODOO II, SNAKESKIN GTC, 1:28 ACR)" ..... or break them out based on each special edition type.


This would hopefully keep all the GEN V stuff together, but at some cost of inconvenience for some while grouping GEN V forums more logically for others...

[Bruce H.]

Actual competition and Viper race car discussions make sense to put in a separate forum.

But since there are no Gen V race cars, just discussions about Gen V performance mods and performance driving for street use, driving schools and lapping days, all of which all Gen V owners can participate in and is of at least general interest to a broad portion of Gen V owners, I feel all of those discussions should be included in one Gen V forum along with all other Gen V topics.

Whether a Gen V owner is seeking advice or sharing knowledge and experience about an engine, brake or suspension system mod, a discussion about aero, or choosing a stickier or better performance tire, it makes little difference whether it's being discussed to use on the street, a high performance driving school, or a lapping day, that discussion is often just relevant to all of those uses not just "the track".

It would be interesting to know if any or many Gen V forum users would disagree with this suggestion as I know ensuring the benefit to all users is and should be the main objective.

Bruce

[Snorman]

If you must move the threads... for whatever reason, then please let the GEN V page have sub forums keeping these threads in mind...


"SUB-FORUM: GEN V"

1) "GEN V TRACK RATS"

2) "GEN V MODS"

3) "GEN V TA TALK"

4) "GEN V ACR TALK" .... or you may need to break it up into Extreme vs non-Extreme threads...

5) "GEN V SPECIAL EDITIONS (CARBON EDITION, GTS-R, VOODOO II, SNAKESKIN GTC, 1:28 ACR)" ..... or break them out based on each special edition type.


This would hopefully keep all the GEN V stuff together, but at some cost of inconvenience for some while grouping GEN V forums more logically for others...

There honestly isn't enough content on this forum for so many Gen V sub forums.
You'd literally have 2 posts in the GEN V TA TALK forum in a week.
S.

[IHOP]

Can you point me to the thread that was moved ?

Here are more that I think should not have been moved:

Info from ACR track rats

9.0L Drag racing results

Snakepit

9.0L track review

ACR spreading rocks on the track

I will share my story I'm a left leg above the knee amputee, I shouldn't be able to drive Viper with a clutch because I don't have a knee to engage the clutch but because of this forum I've tweaked my Prosthetic leg to not only drive it in factory condition but now track it with other members from here! Another member posted about it and I shared a pic of me and my car, some members who were able to see it said it was inspiring then the thread got moved and forgotten about. But I'm not on here all day long so if they post something and it gets moved I may miss it. I come on here check the Gen V section then the classifieds then post and leave because I'm a Gen V owner.

If we want the Viper community to flourish and live on we need to get out and drive our cars, we need to meet other owners and learn from each other even if we each live in a different country!I just think we as owners would be more inclined to participate in different activities or learn so much useful information and tips from other members if we could read these types of posts in the normal Gen V section. Think about mods, when a member or shop makes or buys a new build and they test it on the dyno or strip/track to show it's performance why should we move that? Vendors are sponsors so we should see their new products and we should see them performing and in action! By moving their posts or moving some but not others we are doing a disservice to our forum sponsors. It's like the threads that are moved are cherrypicked too, some get moved others don't that BS. If it involves a Gen V it should stay in the Gen V section! Look at the Las Vegas event Bruce posted asking who is going so we could meet each other, should that be moved because he will meet other Gen owners? No because he owns a Gen V and wants to meet fellow Gen V owners that he sees post then meet other Viper owners of different Gen's at the event.

I've learned so much from this forum, I've met some great people and I've started to track my Gen V because of posts in the Gen V section. I wasn't going to track my viper so i wasn't going to look in the track section. But I saw a local member posting awesome stuff about his cars and his track days. After meeting him in person he inspired me to get back to the track, now I've learn so much from other members who track their car or what mods I want to do next on my car because I see real owners giving first hand experience about mods, tracks, or tricks/techniques and sometimes even members posting track videos like Stradman's of tracks I could only dream of driving on!

Mods I think there should be changes.

I will now get off my soapbox!

[commandomatt]

Now that there are no more new Vipers in a foreseeable future, this site will slow down quite a bit (it already has in the last several months) and threads like the one for the ZR1, that obviously have zero to do with the Viper, will get plenty of attention.

I think its a good idea to concentrate some of these threads in order to show more activity. Right now its like a big store that doesn't have enough merchandise to fill the shelves. Lets make it smaller (less sections) so it appears packed, current, active and remains interesting.

[TrackAire]

The death of most forums is boredom.....this is a very small forum to begin with since the Viper is a very small production segment. I have the feeling that when somebody designs a forum, they often follow a template of other auto forums and want many segments to make it look professional, informational and relate-able
with the competition that is out there.

I think the "Track" section should be for door to door racing results, drag racing results, professional Viper racing, etc. Just because somebody modifies their Viper for the track or posts a video of a track day does not mean it should be moved to the "Track" area....this forum is just too small to support that kind of dilution.

An one last bit of constructive advice. As soon as somebody wants to discuss another car that is relevant competition to the Viper (such as a Porsche, Vette, McLaren, etc) it often gets moved to the "Your Other Rides" section which is the very last spot on this forum. I know that this is a Viper forum, but just because somebody mentions a new Vette or new performance car, it shouldn't be moved to the wasteland part of the forum. I want to know what's out there, what is competitive and how it compares to the Viper. Many Viper owners have driven or own those cars....I want to know their thoughts and comments.

For this forum to survive and grow, it has to be an information source where that information is relevant and easy to find. Most Viper owners don't have a lot of time in their day to look through every subsection. Knowing that a new performance car was posted in the "Your Other Rides" sections does me no good if there are no comments or discussion about it and how it relates to the Viper. The information on this forum has to be concise and easy to find. The Viper is strong enough to be discussed among other cars and makes.

Facebook is kicking a lot of forums asses....this forum is no different. A lot of the potential vendors that should be advertising here or increase their advertising are finding it more beneficial to be on Facebook. Facebook is easier to follow on your mobile phone than most forums. That is an unfortunate part of technology, our phones are replacing our computers and laptops in our day to day lives. If we don't keep this forum relevant with a lot of easy to find information, it too will only decline as other forms of information sharing continue to advance.

[viperguy69]

There honestly isn't enough content on this forum for so many Gen V sub forums.
You'd literally have 2 posts in the GEN V TA TALK forum in a week.
S.

If you must move the threads... for whatever reason, then please let the GEN V page have sub forums keeping these threads in mind...

"SUB-FORUM: GEN V"

1) "GEN V TRACK RATS"

2) "GEN V MODIFICATIONS, UPGRADES, UPDATES, & HOW-TO'S"

3) "GEN V SPECIAL EDITION LOCATOR (TA, CARBON EDITION, GTS-R, VOODOO II, SNAKESKIN GTC, 1:28 ACR)" ..... or break them out based on each special edition type.


This is a little less GEN V sub-forum but keeps GEN V stuff together! Again, at some cost of inconvenience for some members while grouping GEN V forums more logically for others... blah, blah, blah

Just my 2 cents... because that is all my ideas are worth!

[IHOP]

The death of most forums is boredom.....this is a very small forum to begin with since the Viper is a very small production segment. I have the feeling that when somebody designs a forum, they often follow a template of other auto forums and want many segments to make it look professional, informational and relate-able
with the competition that is out there.

I think the "Track" section should be for door to door racing results, drag racing results, professional Viper racing, etc. Just because somebody modifies their Viper for the track or posts a video of a track day does not mean it should be moved to the "Track" area....this forum is just too small to support that kind of dilution.

An one last bit of constructive advice. As soon as somebody wants to discuss another car that is relevant competition to the Viper (such as a Porsche, Vette, McLaren, etc) it often gets moved to the "Your Other Rides" section which is the very last spot on this forum. I know that this is a Viper forum, but just because somebody mentions a new Vette or new performance car, it shouldn't be moved to the wasteland part of the forum. I want to know what's out there, what is competitive and how it compares to the Viper. Many Viper owners have driven or own those cars....I want to know their thoughts and comments.

For this forum to survive and grow, it has to be an information source where that information is relevant and easy to find. Most Viper owners don't have a lot of time in their day to look through every subsection. Knowing that a new performance car was posted in the "Your Other Rides" sections does me no good if there are no comments or discussion about it and how it relates to the Viper. The information on this forum has to be concise and easy to find. The Viper is strong enough to be discussed among other cars and makes.

Facebook is kicking a lot of forums asses....this forum is no different. A lot of the potential vendors that should be advertising here or increase their advertising are finding it more beneficial to be on Facebook. Facebook is easier to follow on your mobile phone than most forums. That is an unfortunate part of technology, our phones are replacing our computers and laptops in our day to day lives. If we don't keep this forum relevant with a lot of easy to find information, it too will only decline as other forms of information sharing continue to advance.

Even more great points!

[OneofOneViper]

There is a selection for "new posts" and then you see all new posts from every section if you wanted to get an overview of what was posted that day or responded to etc...

As for the complaint about Gen V stuff being moved---please stop moving things moderators. If it's a Gen V car, then let them post it where ever the OP wants to post it if they think they will get more responses in one section vs. another. Of course, if you're a Gen V car posting on the Gen III forum--that is the kind of thing that needs to be moved.

[ACRucrazy]

There is a selection for "new posts" and then you see all new posts from every section if you wanted to get an overview of what was posted that day or responded to etc...

This is how I view just about every forum.

I’ve stated this before i’ll mention it again. Personally I think there are too many subforums/sections on the VOA. Less is more with a small club. Not enough activity and an easy way to kill a forum. No one likes sections that get a post every few weeks.

[Arizona Vipers]

I think everyone on the Gen 5 forum agrees with all of this. Just because someone's Gen 5 post has anything to do with a track day, it shouldn't be moved to a non Gen 5 forum

[plumcrazy]

Ok working on it

[1of1TA1.0]

Thanks for listening Plum! We all love this place and I like that everyone has tried to do this in the betterment of the club!