Bondurant Vipers

[OneofOneViper]

Looks like they are already for sale it appears through Palmer Dodge. Not much of a discount from what I can see when knowing all those miles are track miles.

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[EZ 2B Green]

A friend of mine and I drove a pair of these at the Bondurant School. They were very well maintained but showed signs of accelerated ageing (due to their constant high performance usage, sometimes in extreme temperature). I think these cars should be selling at higher discount. My .02.

[serpent]

Those are a shit load of miles on track only cars.

[capevettes]

Hard miles and priced like they were garage queens. Pass.

[Scott_in_fl]

Those four cars will easily find homes with buyers that are uninformed. We like to think that every Viper owner (and prospective owner) is a member of this forum, but that is not the case. My hunch is that less than 20% of the Viper population frequents this forum (or others) and would know the hissstory of those cars.

[IHOP]

Those four cars will easily find homes with buyers that are uninformed. We like to think that every Viper owner (and prospective owner) is a member of this forum, but that is not the case. My hunch is that less than 20% of the Viper population frequents this forum (or others) and would know the hissstory of those cars.

There is an ass for every seat! These will be sold no problem.

[13COBRA]

The titles will show where they came from. I imagine their history will have to be disclosed to the buyers.

[AZTVR]

The titles will show where they came from. I imagine their history will have to be disclosed to the buyers.

I don't think anything in the paperwork will indicate that they were Bondurant Racing School cars.

I have been following these cars and collecting information so that I know what to look for. By the way, Palmer has more than those listed above, including a couple of ACRs that appear to be from the Bondurant school fleet. Also, there are some other dealers listing what they bought at various auctions.

Here is how I identify them: The GTC TA 2.0 cars are all white and the ACRs are white with the Black and Red ACR stripes. They all are corporate fleet vehicles. The TA 2.0 cars all have mileages between 10k and 15k miles.
Most show their pre-delivery inspection done by either Tempe Dodge or Scottsdale Airpark Dodge.(both are here in the same area as Bondurant.) Most have at least one maintenance record from Airpark Dodge where our go-to Viper tech works who maintained the Bondurant cars. Some have quite a few listings for maintenance at Airpark Dodge. One of them with these Carfax characteristics is shown on the web with it's VIN and it's full Bondurant decal/sticker set in place.

This data doesn't prove they are all school cars; but, as a potential buyer, this is how I am identifying them.

[MoparJohn]

The only thing the vehicle history will show is that they were Chrysler "Executive / Marketing Cars" an uninformed buyer might assume that they were actual cars for FCA executives. All Bondurant cars were on loan to Bondurant and owned by FCA. They were never purchased or leased. A shady dealer might simply tell someone that these were marketing cars. It is also possible that the dealer doesn't even know what they purchased as far as history. All Bondurant cars went to different auctions around the country and you dont need to be a SRT authorized dealer to sell a used car.

[kriskyk]

In California dealers are required to disclose commercial used cars to consumers, it also generally will show up on the Carfax

[ViperJon]

Asking same price for cars with 10K on them versus 15K on them. Interesting.
5K difference on a car driven hard and fast daily is considerable.

[catwood]

all these school cars solded at auction for low $80K The carfax doesn't disclose the use but shows work at the dealer next to Bondurant so that's a clue. The ACR-E school cars sold for $120-125K which was higher than expected.

[RedTanRT/10]

all these school cars solded at auction for low $80K The carfax doesn't disclose the use but shows work at the dealer next to Bondurant so that's a clue. The ACR-E school cars sold for $120-125K which was higher than expected.

Carl, I had a dealer buddy look into them for me. I thought they'd sell at auction for mid-high $60's and retail for $80. Crazy high prices and he told me one dealer kept raising his hand, I thought it was Tomball but I now see Palmer (who has 6 on his site). As you later said, those couple ACR's have low mileage, 1 sat on display in the PHX airport for 6 months.

While mechanically they've been gone through, cosmetically they all look like 10k plus mi track cars. Take a close look at the Palmer photo's, especially the wheels. You can see fading and rock damage in many places. Here's a pic of one from the dealer in WI, wheels have curbing and the calipers are really heat faded. In about a month you'll see a post from a new to viper buyer from Palmer that will be asking a lot of questions. You can build a much cleaner used track car than what their asking.

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[ViperDC]

Carl, I had a dealer buddy look into them for me. I thought they'd sell at auction for mid-high $60's and retail for $80. Crazy high prices and he told me one dealer kept raising his hand, I thought it was Tomball but I now see Palmer (who has 6 on his site). As you later said, those couple ACR's have low mileage, 1 sat on display in the PHX airport for 6 months.

While mechanically they've been gone through, cosmetically they all look like 10k plus mi track cars. Take a close look at the Palmer photo's, especially the wheels. You can see fading and rock damage in many places. Here's a pic of one from the dealer in WI, wheels have curbing and the calipers are really heat faded. In about a month you'll see a post from a new to viper buyer from Palmer that will be asking a lot of questions. You can build a much cleaner used track car than what their asking.

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its weird how the calipers on TAs look like ass so quickly. I even see it on low mile cars.

[serpent]

its weird how the calipers on TAs look like ass so quickly. I even see it on low mile cars.

I think it’s the paint they used, but I noticed that too because I was looking at TAs for sale for 2+ years.

[catwood]

Carl, I had a dealer buddy look into them for me. I thought they'd sell at auction for mid-high $60's and retail for $80. Crazy high prices and he told me one dealer kept raising his hand, I thought it was Tomball but I now see Palmer (who has 6 on his site). As you later said, those couple ACR's have low mileage, 1 sat on display in the PHX airport for 6 months.

While mechanically they've been gone through, cosmetically they all look like 10k plus mi track cars. Take a close look at the Palmer photo's, especially the wheels. You can see fading and rock damage in many places. Here's a pic of one from the dealer in WI, wheels have curbing and the calipers are really heat faded. In about a month you'll see a post from a new to viper buyer from Palmer that will be asking a lot of questions. You can build a much cleaner used track car than what their asking.

To think I missed a new loaded one for $130K due to a hiccup by a customer that took a week to resolve makes me ill. oh well. perhaps it's not meant to be. Palmer also bought the blue one I was going to bid on. He came of the blocks as not sold. He bought it for $135 which again was higher than original invoice cost we calculated. They must believe their own hype trying to sell $200K used vipers. Enjoy the inventory.

[aNinjaneer]

I wonder if they went through and fixed all of the stuff on them. When I was there, most had cracked front windshields, broken front bumpers, and practically half of the paint on the front missing. They are asking WAY too much money for these cars, especially considering the abuse they've gone through.

[catwood]

I wonder if they went through and fixed all of the stuff on them. When I was there, most had cracked front windshields, broken front bumpers, and practically half of the paint on the front missing. They are asking WAY too much money for these cars, especially considering the abuse they've gone through.

The one I had pulled hard to the left or right (random) under heavy braking. So bad I missed my turn in many many times.

[aNinjaneer]

The one I had pulled hard to the left or right (random) under heavy braking. So bad I missed my turn in many many times.

My first car felt really loose. I kept telling my instructor something felt off, and he assumed I just didn't know what I was talking about. He jumped in the driver's seat, and instantly said "you're right". Replaced it with another car, and I was running WAY faster. I think it was just an alignment issue, but I know most of the cars had some sort of issue or another.

[Arizona Vipers]

I wonder if they went through and fixed all of the stuff on them. When I was there, most had cracked front windshields, broken front bumpers, and practically half of the paint on the front missing. They are asking WAY too much money for these cars, especially considering the abuse they've gone through.

The tracks Bondurant uses are pretty nasty as far as rocks go. My ACR has 30+ stars in the windshield from running these tracks and my wheels will be full of pebbles after each session.

[serpent]

Put it this way, IF those cars were bought new from dodge and only driven on the track (depending on track) that is 3-4 miles a lap driven hard. 10k+ miles driven hard and they are 2016 cars!!!

You could say 500 of those miles were cool down miles, but the rest are balls to the wall: miss shifting, over revving, gear slamming, go-off track, over braking, brake fading, insert what ever the hell else happens at the track here, cars.

[Special Ed]

At these prices I will sell my 13000 mile TA 2 #001 for the first 100k that walk in the door.

[Scott_in_fl]

^^^ Don't do it. There's nothing to replace it with that you would enjoy as much. Yes, that's hard to believe, but you'll be kicking yourself in a few years for getting rid of the car.

[BlueAdder]

Agreed, those are way overpriced considering the abuse they took from people.
I wouldn't pay more than $80K per car. They've been maintained really well but still, those things took a beating.

[Martin]

The cars definitely got put on the market at the right time... This is the peak of the price curve, so unloading them now was a smart move. That said, unless the cars are in the kind of condition that you'd expect from a 10k mile car, I wouldn't risk it unless they gave me a no questions asked 8 year bumper to bumper warranty that covered the wear items for the first few years.