New Tesla Roadster

[Vegaskid]

This guy is a clown. Takes govment cheese and lives the life while his failure of business is on life support with tax payer funds and bailouts.

This douche can't build a $30K car on time / budget; how would anyone expect him mass produce an electric super car?

Go crash another rocket with you in it....f'in loser.

[Gen2man]

7400 ft/lb! Why can't it do over 300mph? All I can say is I'm helping use up all the fossil fuel. I have a high cylinder count.

[Voice of Reason]

ITT I learned there are a lot of people afraid of the future for performance cars. In just a few years many here are going to sound just like the Saturday night cruise in guys who still think their late 60s muscle cars are faster than anything built today. For them it’s the belief that computer controlled engines can never equal a good carborator and distributor. Now it’s going to be the belief that a bunch of spun copper wire and magnets could never equal an internal combustion engine.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that every manufacturer is finally bringing some HP to the game despite much of the tech (read turbochargers) has been around for 10 years. They’re all trying to wring out what they can before it’s all over. I’m not saying everyone should dump their Vipers, I’m saying just be ready when for when we own the still highly desirable classic that isn’t “fast” but cool for nostalgia purposes.

[Scott_in_fl]

Short answer? Real far. Why do people pay millions for a 60s Ferrari that gets destroyed in performance by a 2004 C5 Z06 Corvette?

But hold on. You're talking about cars that there are literally only a handful of remaining in existence. Those cars are so collectible because they are historically notable and so incredibly rare. Collectors purchase them not to drive, but to put away in mothballs.

Ferrari needs to sell 7,000 cars each year to be profitable. It cannot sell 7,000 cars a year to collectors that intend only to store them. It needs to have demand from a much broader base of buyers. Today, that buyer wants a car that he can show at cars and coffee and post videos of roll races on YouTube. Like it or not, that is the current market participant. And that buyer will start getting in line now if he/she could for the Tesla coupe if nobody is ready to offer an alternative.

[Scott_in_fl]

ITT I learned there are a lot of people afraid of the future for performance cars. In just a few years many here are going to sound just like the Saturday night cruise in guys who still think their late 60s muscle cars are faster than anything built today. For them it’s the belief that computer controlled engines can never equal a good carborator and distributor. Now it’s going to be the belief that a bunch of spun copper wire and magnets could never equal an internal combustion engine.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that every manufacturer is finally bringing some HP to the game despite much of the tech (read turbochargers) has been around for 10 years. They’re all trying to wring out what they can before it’s all over. I’m not saying everyone should dump their Vipers, I’m saying just be ready when for when we own the still highly desirable classic that isn’t “fast” but cool for nostalgia purposes.

Agreed that our cars won't be fast any more, but they will be cool. No electric car sounds like that cammed and straight piped ACR-E on the other thread. I don't care how fast the electric car can go.

[gerardsauto]

This guy is a clown. Takes govment cheese and lives the life while his failure of business is on life support with tax payer funds and bailouts.

This douche can't build a $30K car on time / budget; how would anyone expect him mass produce an electric super car?

Go crash another rocket with you in it....f'in loser.

^^^^^this

[darbgnik]

Eventually, this will be important. Now however, where do all these buyers think the electricity is coming from? Solar, hydro and wind? Not much of it......

At this stage in history, an electric car is nothing more than a fashion statement. But like the big wheels thing(think 22's on a Ford economy SUV), there is a market for it, and manufacturers will chase it.

[Camfab]

This guy is a clown. Takes govment cheese and lives the life while his failure of business is on life support with tax payer funds and bailouts.

This douche can't build a $30K car on time / budget; how would anyone expect him mass produce an electric super car?

Go crash another rocket with you in it....f'in loser.

I have to say that reading your post made me laugh. “Go crash another rocket with with you in it.....f’n loser.” How would your accomplishments measure up? What have you done to change the world......

[Fatboy 18]

IMG-20171117-WA0009[1].jpg

[outnumbered]

No one has even mentioned taxation. As states as well as the federal government begin to lose revenue from a lack of fuel sales due to the new eminant “electric wave” , the new idea of taxing by the mile will become more prevalent. Because they won’t be able to differentiate between your mode of transportation, we could ultimately be taxed twice; for mileage and at the pump.

Not that this thread is an argument between the pros and cons of electric vehicles, but a possibility nonetheles. I don’t think I would ever own one, but I would like to drive one.

[Smokin]

Im far from a tree hugger, but like it or not, the age of the electric car is here. Formula E is huge investment already. Ferrari has invested heavily in hybrid, and McLaren has said they plan on building an all electric sportscar within the next 5 years. With the numbers Elon is touting for the roadster, all our Turbo, NA, Big displacelment, high compression, and exotic engines will be obsolete once the charging infrastrucutre is in place. Its a matter of time. Yes, I am still enamored with the IC engine, but reality is reality.

[Camfab]

Listen, the whole car thing will never pick up steam, who’d give up their horse for a car. Arguing that no matter how fast an electric car is wouldn’t sway anyone, is history repeating itself.. Most, but clearly not all were attracted to the Viper because it’s performance stats were crushing, good looks helped for sure. Harley’s were once the king of racing, now they only exist because the middle aged lost their mojo and need a prop. No one cares what the Viper faithful wants, we are an aging sector of the population that clearly isn’t the future. Electric cars will soon destroy any and all accomplishments of the ICE within short order. For certain the complete transition will take time, particularly in the dyeing suburbs and outer regions of our land. Personally I love the ICE, but I’m a gear head and love anything mechanical, so I’m all in for crushing performance. I can have the best of both worlds. Most haters in this realm are just afraid of change.

[Camfab]

No one has even mentioned taxation. As states as well as the federal government begin to lose revenue from a lack of fuel sales due to the new eminant “electric wave” , the new idea of taxing by the mile will become more prevalent. Because they won’t be able to differentiate between your mode of transportation, we could ultimately be taxed twice; for mileage and at the pump.

Not that this thread is an argument between the pros and cons of electric vehicles, but a possibility nonetheles. I don’t think I would ever own one, but I would like to drive one.

Don’t worry about the gov getting their fare share of cash. The infrastructure is almost completely in place. I own a plug-in, the power companies lure you in by getting you to either sign up for a special time of use e-car plan or you get a second meter specifically for the car. Soon enough this is how you will be taxed, by the kilowatt. Most people get lured to the electric side because they are convinced it’s cheaper. In my region with my particular car and current electric consumption, fuel needs to be $4.20/gal just to break even. I never plug mine in because it’s a hybrid and gets 50 miles per gal on gas only. Free car pool lane access was the carrot that lured me in. Yes it’s an appliance, but I own the correct tool for each job.

[DZnutz]

I have to say that reading your post made me laugh. “Go crash another rocket with with you in it.....f’n loser.” How would your accomplishments measure up? What have you done to change the world......

Well said

[Vipes]

What’s with the tree hugger comments? Electric can be terrible on the environment, have you never seen a coal power plant before?

[ACRucrazy]

I am more interested in the Solar roofs, but my limited research says solar panels can produce more power for less.

The idea of Solar providing enough power to run my house and charge my vehicles intrigues me. That’s what I would like to see.

[Camfab]

What’s with the tree hugger comments? Electric can be terrible on the environment, have you never seen a coal power plant before?

Vipes, I don’t think anyone here is a tree hugger or implying anything of the sort. I do agree that coal plants are a real problem. I believe solutions are in the works, as electricity is going to become a major player in the near future.

[Camfab]

I am more interested in the Solar roofs, but my limited research says solar panels can produce more power for less.

The idea of Solar providing enough power to run my house and charge my vehicles intrigues me. That’s what I would like to see.

I agree with you, and the tech is evolving rapidly. I’m particularly interested in the Tesla roof tiles. They are currently very expensive, but look much nicer asthetically and will reduce the overall load on the roof (in my particular case).

[serpent]

Does anyone remember the Tommy Kaira ZZ2?
Front doesnt look alike, but the rest of the car does:
https://www.rigsofrods.org/old-forum...page-0001.html

Imagine if someone actually built a ZZ2, its aluminum chassis + full carbon body was 2200lbs. Then you have the Rb26Dett motor, oh yea the car was also awd.

[ClayR]

Pass

[BlknBlu]

I still think this will be the next big thing.



Bruce

[Vipes]

IMG-20171117-WA0009[1].jpg

Haha, agreed.

[V10powerr]

lets stick to cars and not political issues.
love the performance specs of the roadster. to get a car into the 8s for a quarter mile run is amazing. love electric or not, performance is performance.
250 for that performance is also a great deal imo

[OneofOneViper]

First of all, I think the roadster just looks like a squashed down model 3 with 2 doors. I would buy it for a commuter car but it's too expensive and it really doesn't have good commuting features with all it's limited space. That being said, it may be the ugliest $200,000+ modern sports car I can think of. It looks like it should cost $60-80k just based on looks alone.

Electric cars will eventually beat combustion cars around the track, but it isn't going to happen today. I'll bet that car still weighs well over 4200 lbs just because of the massive battery pack it has which won't cause a huge problem going straight, but you'll lose traction around corners with no aero and all that inertia.

All that said, cars are entering a new era. Electric cars have no visceral experience and there is little to be desired for enjoyment. I own a Tesla model S as a commuter, but I don't care how fast they made it---it would never take over my viper. The noise, the vibrations, the mechanical feel to the car are things that real car guys understand.

The best way I can explain it would be going to a stadium to watch a sports game front row, or watching the game on TV muted by yourself

I get that it goes fast, but if you start taking away the things that make the experience enjoyable--the draw fades quickly. The new roadster is new, it's interesting, it's fast---I'd love to drive one for a day, but I sure wouldn't want to own one even if it was only $100k.

[OneofOneViper]

Those performance numbers are unreal.

Musk has been manipulating the Tesla stocks since their inception, I would venture to guess after this roadster, and the semi announcement he'll ride the tide to its peak, then sell.

Look at Musk's history. He has never been the guy to cash in, sell, and run. Money doesn't always drive intelectuals. It didn't with Steve Jobs and it doesn't with Musk. He's a renaissance man, and whether he is right or wrong--he believes he is doing the right thing for humanity.