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dmann New Tesla Roadster 11-17-2017, 09:37 AM
13COBRA Those performance numbers are... 11-17-2017, 09:39 AM
OneofOneViper Look at Musk's history. He... 11-18-2017, 08:09 PM
Camfab So true! I find your take... 11-18-2017, 09:23 PM
Whitemamba Just like George Soros does... 11-18-2017, 09:37 PM
viperBase1 Butt dyno in my car says 0-60... 11-17-2017, 09:56 AM
IHOP :smilielol: I will run that... 11-17-2017, 10:46 AM
ek1 I would not be so sure. It... 11-22-2017, 09:14 AM
Martin Kind of a cool concept, but... 11-17-2017, 11:06 AM
ACRSNK I don't care if that thing... 11-17-2017, 11:10 AM
TrackAire What a great looking... 11-17-2017, 12:02 PM
Vypr Phil I assign about as much... 11-17-2017, 11:58 AM
J TNT It'll be interesting to see... 11-17-2017, 12:40 PM
gerardsauto You could sit in your... 11-17-2017, 12:42 PM
Fatboy 18 I don't like the design at... 11-17-2017, 12:46 PM
dmann It is interesting. The... 11-17-2017, 12:59 PM
Space Truckin Doesn't move me at all, no... 11-17-2017, 01:08 PM
Scott_in_fl This is the electric era that... 11-17-2017, 02:00 PM
TitanSnake It all irrelevant until our... 11-17-2017, 02:10 PM
IHOP This very true, however Musk... 11-17-2017, 04:20 PM
ViperDC Short answer? Real far. Why... 11-17-2017, 05:27 PM
Scott_in_fl But hold on. You're talking... 11-17-2017, 10:40 PM
ViperDC Yep you're right dude, Tesla... 11-20-2017, 05:14 PM
ForTehNguyen more vaporware products to... 11-17-2017, 02:52 PM
Scott_in_fl TitanSnake, great point. But... 11-17-2017, 02:56 PM
Whitemamba Well this so called wonder... 11-17-2017, 03:13 PM
viperBase1 Unless they embed the track... 11-17-2017, 03:32 PM
Lawrenzo That technology already... 11-17-2017, 03:44 PM
nx91notch Yes!!! A forum that still... 11-17-2017, 04:25 PM
Coloviper These cars like Tesla has... 11-17-2017, 05:57 PM
Unlimtd The electric era is here to... 11-17-2017, 08:18 PM
Vegaskid This guy is a clown. Takes... 11-17-2017, 08:47 PM
gerardsauto ^^^^^this 11-17-2017, 11:05 PM
Camfab I have to say that reading... 11-18-2017, 01:25 AM
DZnutz Well said 11-18-2017, 12:24 PM
Arizona Vipers Elon Musk is a loser and a... 11-19-2017, 11:23 PM
Gen2man 7400 ft/lb! Why can't it do... 11-17-2017, 08:59 PM
Voice of Reason ITT I learned there are a lot... 11-17-2017, 09:59 PM
Scott_in_fl Agreed that our cars won't be... 11-17-2017, 10:42 PM
darbgnik Eventually, this will be... 11-18-2017, 12:52 AM
Fatboy 18 29710 11-18-2017, 05:23 AM
Vipes Haha, agreed. 11-18-2017, 02:56 PM
outnumbered No one has even mentioned... 11-18-2017, 06:47 AM
Camfab Don’t worry about the gov... 11-18-2017, 12:24 PM
Smokin Im far from a tree hugger,... 11-18-2017, 10:42 AM
Vipes What’s with the tree hugger... 11-18-2017, 12:30 PM
Camfab Vipes, I don’t think anyone... 11-18-2017, 12:42 PM
Camfab Listen, the whole car thing... 11-18-2017, 12:09 PM
ACRucrazy I am more interested in the... 11-18-2017, 12:37 PM
Camfab I agree with you, and the... 11-18-2017, 12:45 PM
dmann You are correct. Here is... 11-20-2017, 02:10 PM
serpent Does anyone remember the... 11-18-2017, 12:46 PM
ClayR Pass 11-18-2017, 01:31 PM
BlknBlu I still think this will be... 11-18-2017, 01:49 PM
V10powerr lets stick to cars and not... 11-18-2017, 07:15 PM
OneofOneViper First of all, I think the... 11-18-2017, 07:43 PM
TrackAire Yeah it might be fast, but... 11-18-2017, 08:32 PM
Coloviper The quarter mile run scenario... 11-18-2017, 09:27 PM
SRT_BluByU right now its a lot of... 11-19-2017, 05:56 PM
Arizona Vipers Tesla's 5400 lbs sedan is the... 11-19-2017, 11:26 PM
Scott_in_fl Correct. It always amazes me... 11-20-2017, 09:41 AM
Vipermann Electric sports cars will be... 11-20-2017, 11:06 PM
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    New Tesla Roadster

    I posted a week or so ago about an S model being at RA. Now check this out!
    http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...r-photos-info/

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    Those performance numbers are unreal.

    Musk has been manipulating the Tesla stocks since their inception, I would venture to guess after this roadster, and the semi announcement he'll ride the tide to its peak, then sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13COBRA View Post
    Those performance numbers are unreal.

    Musk has been manipulating the Tesla stocks since their inception, I would venture to guess after this roadster, and the semi announcement he'll ride the tide to its peak, then sell.
    Look at Musk's history. He has never been the guy to cash in, sell, and run. Money doesn't always drive intelectuals. It didn't with Steve Jobs and it doesn't with Musk. He's a renaissance man, and whether he is right or wrong--he believes he is doing the right thing for humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneofOneViper View Post
    Look at Musk's history. He has never been the guy to cash in, sell, and run. Money doesn't always drive intelectuals. It didn't with Steve Jobs and it doesn't with Musk. He's a renaissance man, and whether he is right or wrong--he believes he is doing the right thing for humanity.
    So true!

    I find your take on the Model S interesting. I do certainly agree it’s no Viper, and I only have limited experience behind the wheel, but I really was impressed. In fact I was really sceptical until I was behind the wheel. I’d take it over the common German commuters that seem to rule the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneofOneViper View Post
    Look at Musk's history. He has never been the guy to cash in, sell, and run. Money doesn't always drive intelectuals. It didn't with Steve Jobs and it doesn't with Musk. He's a renaissance man, and whether he is right or wrong--he believes he is doing the right thing for humanity.
    Just like George Soros does and we know what is driving him.

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    Butt dyno in my car says 0-60 in 1.7 seconds.

    Musk also said “The point of doing this is to give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars,” Musk said. Driving any other turbo-charged sports car, is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of quiche."

    Notice how he didn't go near the naturally aspirated cars.
    F' that guy anyway!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by viperBase1 View Post
    Butt dyno in my car says 0-60 in 1.7 seconds.

    Musk also said “The point of doing this is to give a hardcore smackdown to gasoline cars,” Musk said. Driving any other turbo-charged sports car, is going to feel like a steam engine with a side of quiche."

    Notice how he didn't go near the naturally aspirated cars.
    F' that guy anyway!!

    I will run that bitch down when we hit the turns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IHOP View Post
    I will run that bitch down when we hit the turns!
    I would not be so sure. It will have 3 independent motors, awd and torque vectoring, so it will rocket out of corners. The battery pack positioning delivers low center of gravity.

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    Kind of a cool concept, but I'm still not buying into the electric car thing. This one has a 200 kWh battery - so if you're really straining your home's electrical system and able to deliver 10kW of power through the charger, it's still going to take 20 hours to charge the thing?

    The numbers are impressive - and if that thing really does generate over 7000 lb-ft of torque, that would be pretty amazing.

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    I don't care if that thing does 0-60 in less than one second...not interested!

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    What a great looking roadster.....too bad it doesn't have a 500 hp twin turbo V6 in it.

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    I assign about as much credibility to Elon Musk’s claims as I do to Gloria Allred’s accusations.

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    It'll be interesting to see real world and track numbers .............

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    You could sit in your driveway and listen to your Viper idling and still get a boner. The Tesla not so much....

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    I don't like the design at all

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    It is interesting.

    The guy at RA stated that he could run decent times but when the batteries started to get hot it would kind of go into limp mode.

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    Doesn't move me at all, no pun intended. ....JM2C...I could be wrong...

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    This is the electric era that we are entering. Electric motors can push mad torque and spin rpm's measured in units of 10k. Yes, you need an electrical source capable of delivering big energy, but that is coming. Thus, I'm not entirely surprised by the numbers presented if we're talking about something that is still a couple years out.

    What is more interesting is the comment that he is doing this to put the nail in the coffin of gasoline powered engines. Not that I did not understand that to always have been his vision, but that finally I see how he can accomplish that -- by teasing everyone to believe that he is getting ready to deliver something as groundbreaking as what has been shown. Basically, he is going to force everyone to start thinking differently (or else risk having to shutter their businesses).

    Imagine the board room discussions going on right now, today, at every single sports car MFG (Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Mac, etc.). If they are not already developing something similar, they will be left behind by those who are.

    For example, how is Ferrari going to sell cars at $400k per when performance is no longer a reason to purchase one? It may continue to always be rolling art, but how far does that go? Instead, Ferrari engineers need to ponder how they can build something similar.

    If others are working on it, then that means they have stopped working on developing fossil fuel platforms (or are getting ready to significantly reduce developmental resources assigned to such tasks). Using the Ferrari example, if they already have ideas on the drawing board, they need to start devoting more and more resources to ensure that their timetable matches everyone else's.

    And since such information is likely secretive (i.e. how far along others are), it is likely that everyone is either already pushing as hard as they can, or are going to start. In other words, very, very soon (maybe even sooner than we initially thought), MFG's need to start turning their ship.

    Changing the mindset about how we view electric cars, and scaring others into believing that they better have something similar to compete or be left behind, is how Musk ends the era for gasoline powered vehicles.
    Last edited by Scott_in_fl; 11-17-2017 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_in_fl View Post
    This is the electric era that we are entering. Electric motors can push mad torque and spin rpm's measured in units of 10k. Yes, you need an electrical source capable of delivering big energy, but that is coming. Thus, I'm not entirely surprised by the numbers presented if we're talking about something that is still a couple years out.

    What is more interesting is the comment that he is doing this to put the nail in the coffin of gasoline powered engines. Not that I did not understand that to always have been his vision, but that finally I see how he can accomplish that -- by teasing everyone to believe that he is getting ready to deliver something as groundbreaking as what has been shown. Basically, he is going to force everyone to start thinking differently (or else risk having to shutter their businesses).

    Imagine the board room discussions going on right now, today, at every single sports car MFG (Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Mac, etc.). If they are not already developing something similar, they will be left behind by those who are.

    For example, how is Ferrari going to sell cars at $400k per when performance is no longer a reason to purchase one? It may continue to always be rolling art, but how far does that go? Instead, Ferrari engineers need to ponder how they can build something similar.

    If others are working on it, then that means they have stopped working on developing fossil fuel platforms (or are getting ready to significantly reduce developmental resources assigned to such tasks). Using the Ferrari example, if they already have ideas on the drawing board, they need to start devoting more and more resources to ensure that their timetable matches everyone else's.

    And since such information is likely secretive (i.e. how far along others are), it is likely that everyone is either already pushing as hard as they can, or are going to start. In other words, very, very soon (maybe even sooner than we initially thought), MFG's need to start turning their ship. This is how Musk ends the era for gasoline powered vehicles.

    It all irrelevant until our aging power grid can support it. If even 25% of the drivers on the road converted over to all electric, we are going to need to fire up all those shuttered coal plants, not to mention updating every homes electric connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_in_fl View Post
    This is the electric era that we are entering. Electric motors can push mad torque and spin rpm's measured in units of 10k. Yes, you need an electrical source capable of delivering big energy, but that is coming. Thus, I'm not entirely surprised by the numbers presented if we're talking about something that is still a couple years out.

    What is more interesting is the comment that he is doing this to put the nail in the coffin of gasoline powered engines. Not that I did not understand that to always have been his vision, but that finally I see how he can accomplish that -- by teasing everyone to believe that he is getting ready to deliver something as groundbreaking as what has been shown. Basically, he is going to force everyone to start thinking differently (or else risk having to shutter their businesses).

    Imagine the board room discussions going on right now, today, at every single sports car MFG (Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche, Mac, etc.). If they are not already developing something similar, they will be left behind by those who are.

    For example, how is Ferrari going to sell cars at $400k per when performance is no longer a reason to purchase one? It may continue to always be rolling art, but how far does that go? Instead, Ferrari engineers need to ponder how they can build something similar.

    If others are working on it, then that means they have stopped working on developing fossil fuel platforms (or are getting ready to significantly reduce developmental resources assigned to such tasks). Using the Ferrari example, if they already have ideas on the drawing board, they need to start devoting more and more resources to ensure that their timetable matches everyone else's.

    And since such information is likely secretive (i.e. how far along others are), it is likely that everyone is either already pushing as hard as they can, or are going to start. In other words, very, very soon (maybe even sooner than we initially thought), MFG's need to start turning their ship.

    Changing the mindset about how we view electric cars, and scaring others into believing that they better have something similar to compete or be left behind, is how Musk ends the era for gasoline powered vehicles.
    This very true, however Musk has missed just about every predicted release or unveiling date that he has ever set. Like the other posts, I don't think the technology is there yet for sustainable for performance that high. While this is the start I don't think the end is that close. I believe we will see more cars like the holy trinity using hybrid and high performance gasoline engines working together before they start thinking of outright reducing or stopping development of high performance cars that are not full electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_in_fl View Post
    If they are not already developing something similar, they will be left behind by those who are.

    For example, how is Ferrari going to sell cars at $400k per when performance is no longer a reason to purchase one? It may continue to always be rolling art, but how far does that go?
    Short answer? Real far. Why do people pay millions for a 60s Ferrari that gets destroyed in performance by a 2004 C5 Z06 Corvette?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperDC View Post
    Short answer? Real far. Why do people pay millions for a 60s Ferrari that gets destroyed in performance by a 2004 C5 Z06 Corvette?
    But hold on. You're talking about cars that there are literally only a handful of remaining in existence. Those cars are so collectible because they are historically notable and so incredibly rare. Collectors purchase them not to drive, but to put away in mothballs.

    Ferrari needs to sell 7,000 cars each year to be profitable. It cannot sell 7,000 cars a year to collectors that intend only to store them. It needs to have demand from a much broader base of buyers. Today, that buyer wants a car that he can show at cars and coffee and post videos of roll races on YouTube. Like it or not, that is the current market participant. And that buyer will start getting in line now if he/she could for the Tesla coupe if nobody is ready to offer an alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_in_fl View Post
    But hold on. You're talking about cars that there are literally only a handful of remaining in existence. Those cars are so collectible because they are historically notable and so incredibly rare. Collectors purchase them not to drive, but to put away in mothballs.

    Ferrari needs to sell 7,000 cars each year to be profitable. It cannot sell 7,000 cars a year to collectors that intend only to store them. It needs to have demand from a much broader base of buyers. Today, that buyer wants a car that he can show at cars and coffee and post videos of roll races on YouTube. Like it or not, that is the current market participant. And that buyer will start getting in line now if he/she could for the Tesla coupe if nobody is ready to offer an alternative.
    Yep you're right dude, Tesla is about to put Ferrari out of business. Also please stop pulling stuff out of your ass like "Ferrari needs to sell 7000 cars a year to be profitable"

    LOL

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    more vaporware products to hype and pump the stock price of a company on the govt dole

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    TitanSnake, great point. But Tesla is still going to build its sports car and the others better have a response.

    The performance is not just incremental, and the advancement is not evolutionary. We're talking about a complete paradigm shift that instantly makes every Porsche, Fcar, Lcar, and Mac obsolete.

    Even if it takes 20 hours to charge (but then lasts 620 miles, which for me is 2 months), this is a game changer if it ever becomes reality.


 
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