The Ring 2017

[ACRSNK]

Wow!!!

[ACRucrazy]

I don't think that would be considered a production car....its a race car that gets street legalized by an outside vendor IIRC.

Correct. A race car only current P1 owners could buy, modified by LM and only 5 were made, and sold. No one in their right mind should consider that a production car.

[TrackAire]

Regarding that list, what is kind of impressive is the run posted up by Sport Auto magazine of the C7 Z06 with a time of 7:13.9......faster than many cars with a wing.

As far as I can see, this is the only car on the list with a time under 7:19 that doesn't have a wing. Everything below 7:19.1 has a wing, even the Donkervoort (which should be disqualified for no other reason than its name).

Granted, the Z06 has a pretty substantial rear spoiler but nowhere near as effective as a wing. And as previously posted, it looks like the driver left at least 3 seconds on the track. With more aggressive front aero and a rear wing, that Z06 would easily get under 7:09.....at least for one lap, lol.

[v10enomous]

The Camaro ZL1 1LE absolutely crushed the GT350r by 16 seconds and it beats an almost unbelievable pile of supercars...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

Regarding that list, what is kind of impressive is the run posted up by Sport Auto magazine of the C7 Z06 with a time of 7:13.9......faster than many cars with a wing.

As far as I can see, this is the only car on the list with a time under 7:19 that doesn't have a wing. Everything below 7:19.1 has a wing, even the Donkervoort (which should be disqualified for no other reason than its name).

Granted, the Z06 has a pretty substantial rear spoiler but nowhere near as effective as a wing. And as previously posted, it looks like the driver left at least 3 seconds on the track. With more aggressive front aero and a rear wing, that Z06 would easily get under 7:09.....at least for one lap, lol.

[river rat]

That 2010 ACR time is still really strong!

[v10enomous]

That 2010 ACR time is still really strong!

I've watched the video of that run more than a few dozen times and it never gets old... The ACRx albeit not a production car ran 7:03 on the track before it was renovated so the new ACR should really kick ass.

[TrackAire]

The Camaro ZL1 1LE absolutely crushed the GT350r by 16 seconds and it beats an almost unbelievable pile of supercars...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

I'm uber impressed with the 1LE considering its weight and size but it too employs a real wing. Ford sort of went half ass with that winoiler (not a wing and not a spoiler) off the rear deck....since this is their hard core track car they should have put a real wing on and the car would have been even faster. Very embarrassing to a lot of supercars that cost 4 times as much.

I have not seen an official Ring time for the GT350R other than internet fodder from a bogus website called horsepowerkings. Ford's stance is that they don't believe Ring times are important so they don't test and report the results to the public. I think the GT350R is going to be a lot faster than the 7:32 I've read about....probably in the high teens to low twenties.

Still, I'm not sure if it will beat the 1LE since the GT350R is no featherweight either and for now I feel the 1LE has the superior hp, shock and aero package.

[ek1]

Correct. A race car only current P1 owners could buy, modified by LM and only 5 were made, and sold. No one in their right mind should consider that a production car.

Pretty sure everyone who is into cars realizes that McLaren let this happen because the stock P1 is slow compared to cars in it's class (918, LaFerrari) and it's Nurburgring time is slow compared to much cheaper cars. They had to "save the day". The unwashed masses will never know that P1 and P1 LM are very different cars, just like some lamer at a gas station that saw my ACR and said "Nice body kit, dude", so the Internet as a whole will think that "P1 set the record". Sad when a company like Mclaren stoops down to this level.

Even if the ACR does not set the record (although I hope it will), whatever time we see will be by set by a truly stock car, as opposed to a Viper GTS-R race car that was made road legal through some mods by a boutique tuner shop.

[Stealth]

Pretty sure everyone who is into cars realizes that McLaren let this happen because the stock P1 is slow compared to cars in it's class (918, LaFerrari) and it's Nurburgring time is slow compared to much cheaper cars. They had to "save the day". The unwashed masses will never know that P1 and P1 LM are very different cars, just like some lamer at a gas station that saw my ACR and said "Nice body kit, dude", so the Internet as a whole will think that "P1 set the record". Sad when a company like Mclaren stoops down to this level.

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Is this really true? I had a different impression of the P1 and its capabilities.

Go Vipers!

[ACR08]

Love it!!! Go Viper, Go!!!

[stradman]

Everyone really needs to understand anytime a manually driven car sets a time you need to remove 6-8 seconds of that time if you are comparing it to an automated gearbox as that is how much time over a 7 mile circuit approximately it loses. That makes its achievement even more impressive, and many people forget that.....

[Snakebit10]

Looking at that list you have to understand that a lot of the current times on that list from late model cars were run on much better tires and on the repavement of sections of the Ring. I'm pretty sure if you put the current MPSC 2's or the like on a 2010 ACR it will be in the 7:0x time category. Probably the same for the Lexus LFA. That car ran on regular tires and did that 7:14. Imagine if it was on MPSC '2's or similar. Some impressive older cars on this list. Nice to see the G4 ACR still in the top 10 production cars on the Ring. It would be higher if they didn't include the Donks and Radicals which while some are street legal it is by a stretch.

[ViperJon]

Everyone really needs to understand anytime a manually driven car sets a time you need to remove 6-8 seconds of that time if you are comparing it to an automated gearbox as that is how much time over a 7 mile circuit approximately it loses. .....

Maybe true but irrelevant. There are no manual versus auto class distinctions.

[stradman]

Maybe true but irrelevant. There are no manual versus auto class distinctions.

Agree no distinction. But people still need to be aware of it and when put into context not irrelevant at all imo. In fact makes it more of an achievement for me.

[ViperGTS]

Well, the question is: how many "gimmicks" (computer controlled shifting, computer controlled clutch, anti-skid, rear wheels steering, ESP, gps controlled braking/accelerating/steering etc.) in a car are allowed to make the times comparable? Even ABS makes a big difference depending on the grip of the tires/track.

[ACR Steve]

If you are attempting the Ring every nanny that one can turn off would be.

[Scott_in_fl]

If you are attempting the Ring every nanny that one can turn off would be.

^^^ This, for sure.

And I don't know about 7-8 seconds between manual and autoshift. I believe that I read quite consistently during my Z06 days (last year, lol) that the manual was just as quick, if not quicker, around most tracks than the auto. In a straight line drag race, there is a difference, but downshifts on a road course --- not so much (you're on the brakes anyway).

I still agree there could be some advantage, but probably less than half the amount of your estimate.

[Fulltilt]

If a manual was just as fast as an auto, why do all the race cars (everything from GTS-R's to Formula 1) now run auto/sequential transmissions? There's a reason the old sequential transmissions had such a long lever, so you barely take a hand off the wheel. With a sequential you can easily shift while going around a turn that's off camber. Much harder with a manual. I know the sequential transmissions went to paddle shifter's and they might be fully auto now.

[Scott_in_fl]

If a manual was just as fast as an auto, why do all the race cars (everything from GTS-R's to Formula 1) now run auto/sequential transmissions? There's a reason the old sequential transmissions had such a long lever, so you barely take a hand off the wheel. With a sequential you can easily shift while going around a turn that's off camber. Much harder with a manual. I know the sequential transmissions went to paddle shifter's and they might be fully auto now.

I'm with you. I just don't know if it would equate to as much as 7-8 seconds per N'ring lap. That seems to be a ton of time, even knowing the length of the track and the time it takes to get around it (which is about 4.5x the time it takes to get around Laguna Seca). Sequentials bring a host of advantages to the roadracer, one big one being less fatigue. When you are in the cockpit for hours at a time, that is a biggie.

[38D]

Some video of them on track

https://youtu.be/pme3SNuuM6c

[AllAboutViper]

Some video of them on track

https://youtu.be/pme3SNuuM6c

This will be shared @allaboutviper (instagram)

[Snakebit10]

Some video of them on track

https://youtu.be/pme3SNuuM6c

LOVE the sound of the Viper in this vid.

Look who else was on the Ring on that same section of track.



Methinks one or both of these beasts will beat the Huracan's contested time.

[dewilmoth]

LOVE the sound of the Viper in this vid.

Look who else was on the Ring on that same section of track.



Methinks one or both of these beasts will beat the Huracan's contested time.

Absolutely not even remotely scientific, and not trying to start a pissing contest or debate, but my crude timing of both cars through that section of the track put the Porsche ahead by about 1/4 second. That thing moves.

And yes, I do understand this is not a record run by either car. Just found it interesting.

[Snakebit10]

Haha. We all chompin at the bit for a time. Cant help but break down any little data we can until the real run . That Porsche will give the ACR hell. Its more powerful and it does have some pretty good downforce even if not ACR levels. Will be interesting to see the delta between the two rwd monsters. That Porsche tops out at 212mph so it will be much faster on that back straight vs the Viper. Two beautiful beasts.

[Boba Fett]

Haha. We all chompin at the bit for a time. Cant help but break down any little data we can until the real run . That Porsche will give the ACR hell. Its more powerful and it does have some pretty good downforce even if not ACR levels. Will be interesting to see the delta between the two rwd monsters. That Porsche tops out at 212mph so it will be much faster on that back straight vs the Viper. Two beautiful beasts.

is it really??