Check Engine Light on my 2014 GTS

[ViperGeorge]

A day after taking delivery of my 14 GTS it threw a CEL for P0316 - misfires in the first 1000 rpms. I cleared it and it was fine until yesterday. It has 281 miles on it. Last night it threw P0300 - Multiple cylinder misfires, and P0316 again. I have not cleared them and have an appointment to take it to my Viper Tech on Monday. A friend at SRT recommends recalibrating the "TEC-Tooth Error Correction". Anyone else have this problem? If so what was the fix?

[Policy Limits]

Never heard of these codes; definitely take it to a dealer & keep us informed.

[ViperSmith]

On the VCA site there was someone that had a CEL I think that was sort of the same, I can't recall at all who it was sadly, sorry for a useless post

[hawk02]

Dealer time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ACRucrazy]

Heard of these issues on IVs after the Mopar PCM was installed and the Tooth Correction relearn was not done properly. Maybe it just needs a simple relearn.

[Voice of Reason]

Do you feel a stumble or a miss? I had P0300 check engine light show up during an auto cross event last year. The check engine light went away after the drive home and it hasn't come on since. I never felt a miss even on the drive home. But a couple weeks ago when I started it to warm everything up after sitting for 2 months I think I may have felt a fairly regular miss while it was idling. I'll be watching for that in the spring on my first drive to see if I have to head to the dealer.

[ViperGeorge]

It did feel a little rough on initial start up but then it seemed fine.

[Coloviper]

George;

I wonder if it is having issues with the winterized and oxygenated fuels we use in winter time here in the Rockies. At 281 miles, did you fill it up here not too long ago? It is a pretty sensitive system in that new GEN V and I know our winter fuel is probably not the best nor in the engine's calibration maps for compensation. Just a thought? BTW since we are experienced an insane snow storm yesterday and today, will give you a kitchen pass on having to bring the new Viper to the Holiday Party tomorrow night. See you tomorrow night!

[ViperGeorge]

George;

I wonder if it is having issues with the winterized and oxygenated fuels we use in winter time here in the Rockies. At 281 miles, did you fill it up here not too long ago? It is a pretty sensitive system in that new GEN V and I know our winter fuel is probably not the best nor in the engine's calibration maps for compensation. Just a thought? BTW since we are experienced an insane snow storm yesterday and today, will give you a kitchen pass on having to bring the new Viper to the Holiday Party tomorrow night. See you tomorrow night!

Well it threw the first code on the original dealer supplied fuel (from Nebraska). I don't know what kind of fuel they have there.

[Jack B]

A little heads up, "Huskers" as in Nebraska. Most states are 15% corn ethanol, Nebraska is 15% fuel, 85% ethanol.

Well it threw the first code on the original dealer supplied fuel (from Nebraska). I don't know what kind of fuel they have there.

[Dan Cragin]

Could be your car needs to learn the adaptive numerator (crank tooth count.). Disconnect the battery, reconnect, then take the car to a place where you can run it up to 4000 rpm in second gear then let off the gas and coast down to idle without hitting the brakes. Do this 3 times. Might fix the issue.

[Policy Limits]

Wasn't surprised to see some quality control issues on 13 MY vehicles as they were first production year but seeing more than one issue posted on 14's raises an eyebrow

[ViperGeorge]

A little heads up, "Huskers" as in Nebraska. Most states are 15% corn ethanol, Nebraska is 15% fuel, 85% ethanol.

Thanks Jack, Hopefully Woodhouse would have known to use better fuel. In any case I've filled it up here with known good gas, still threw the codes.

[Jack B]

That was a joke, you bought the car from Woodhouse, you were dealing with the best.

Thanks Jack, Hopefully Woodhouse would have known to use better fuel. In any case I've filled it up here with known good gas, still threw the codes.

[Policy Limits]

I've seen cars come from Woodhouse with defective doors that pop open, defective horns that sound randomly and now this; they're a great team though & it's probably just a coincidence

[Late Apex]

Sorry to hear this but hey they spend 120 hours on painting. Hope you get a quick cure for all that dough spent.

[mjorgensen]

I've seen cars come from Woodhouse with defective doors that pop open, defective horns that sound randomly and now this; they're a great team though & it's probably just a coincidence

We sell a lot of Vipers, they all get the best ethanol free fuel we have available. We unfortunately cannot uncover every possible issue in a 5 mile PDI inspection. If there were any way to be more thorough then we are with the time and miles buyers would allow I'm willing to take suggestions.

[Policy Limits]

It's not you guys, you're a great team. You didn't make the car. CAAP did; these issues arise from the factory.

The solution is dont buy American 8/p

[Bill Pemberton]

Jack B.,

Actually virtually all Stations in Nebraska are no more than 10% Ethanol. There are some that carry E85 , but the these stations are actually quite hard to find.
We obviously do not fill with E85, just making a comment that this fuel is hard to find and a 15% ethanol/85 gasoline blend I have yet to even see here. As Mark
noted we only use Premium and we select two specific stations that run through a ton of fuel and we have not had problems with.

[Policy Limits]

If a part is defective like a door handle mechanism that pops open and it's replaced under warranty do they replace it with the same part or is there a part upgrade?

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

I have seen 'issues' like this when the PCM goes to sleep at or near sea-level in one humidity and temp range, and is then transported and 'wakes up' in a significantly different environment: ++Altitude; + / - Temp; + / - Humidity; And, the reverse can be true too.

Remember that "A/C ON" helps the adaptive learn its low-RPM program much faster


0316 is a 'misfire detected at startup <1000 RPM' This is common during the 'adaptive' learning cycles of break-in.
0300 is "multiple cyl misfires" .... a very strange code to have and NOT have rough-running.

Caution: If you discon the battery before a dealer visit, you will LOSE 500+ info codes that the dealer might need to diagnose.

[ViperGeorge]

The car is at the dealer now. Again this is not Woodhouse's issue, they have been great to deal with and I highly recommend them. My local Viper Tech has a call into Chrysler about the codes, not sure what that means at this point. Oh, and the driver's side smart glass doesn't always go up all the way. Weird.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

If a part is defective like a door handle mechanism that pops open and it's replaced under warranty do they replace it with the same part or is there a part upgrade?

Policy: HISSSTORY: If a handful of the same part seems to be a problem, the usual 'warrantee' gets you the exact same part. Warrantee records and Techline calls are tracked to 'reveal' trends. A "trend" can result in a TSB "Technical Svc Bulletin" for dealership repairs, and on RARE occasions can result in an upgraded part. {I could name about 15 such since 1993}

It could also result in an RDC at CAAP "Running Design Change" of parts / procedures with a hand-in-hand TSB to dealers. I can cite a few of those too.

As an owner of a few "First Release" Vipers that did have some early teething-pains, I can choose to feel like a pioneer or like a victim. It is fortunate to have a forum to share the experiences and fixes.... and I assure you that much of the "technical" stuff asked here does quickly make its way to Team Viper . (Including this thread.)

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

The car is at the dealer now. Again this is not Woodhouse's issue, they have been great to deal with and I highly recommend them. My local Viper Tech has a call into Chrysler about the codes, not sure what that means at this point. Oh, and the driver's side smart glass doesn't always go up all the way. Weird.

ALSO: Weird but maybe helpful! The BCM is being affected by something...and I am always suspicious of a common culprit, even in NEW Cars: the BATTERY and/or its connections. Break-in RPMs and cold temps conspire to NOT charge up the battery to handle full-load at startup [could explain startup code 0316. ] Have you had / Do you have a Tender on it? I will ASSume......NOT.

[ViperGeorge]

ALSO: Weird but maybe helpful! The BCM is being affected by something...and I am always suspicious of a common culprit, even in NEW Cars: the BATTERY and/or its connections. Break-in RPMs and cold temps conspire to NOT charge up the battery to handle full-load at startup [could explain startup code 0316. ] Have you had / Do you have a Tender on it? I will ASSume......NOT.

Yes I do have a tender on it when ever it sits longer than a few days. It is my daily driver so it is unusual for it to sit too long.