We re going to nurburgring

[My98RT10]

Dom said in an interview that the car still has mid-corner push and exit oversteer....sounds like they still have some work to do on tuning the car. I don't remember watching any of the US track record-run videos that showed so much wrestling with the wheel. If they can get that tuned out of it, there is no doubt sub 7's in reach. A 1st and only attempt 7:03 is encouraging!

Guys, remember it is the Green Hell, no other track in the US or anywhere else can be taken as a reference point. Also, all the adjustments they did during the pool industry laps were based on maybe 80% (just a guess) oft the available performance. It is absolutely clear that they need a few hot laps to fully tune the car to the track.

Doing a 7:03 right out of the box with ZERO hot laps before is absolutely fantastic. It cannot be mentioned enough.

[Stan0268]

You're right My98RT10, last week weather was so wet and cool here around 12°C and 65% humidity, that's not the best condition. 7:03 is amazing and very respectable.

[Viperawi]

Well, since the team will be back to the US and come later on by August (hopefully) I would like to share my gratitude to all who have helped so far to make this happen.
The team made endless efforts to make this happen and the community showed how much we love our beloved Viper and how much we thrust for it to success.

Without these efforts, we would not be discussing all of this, and I really wanted to hear some positives about the experience so far and give this to the team who have shown the same passion for the viper and proven it !

On the other hand,
The more I read about the 7:03 run the more I respect it.
This was not an easy job, and Dominic was amazing to deliver this within the first hot lap he gets on the famous ring.

For me the Performante lap record means nothing at the moment, but it is there, in the ******* table. One can simply ignore it is there or live with it.
If the viper ever managed to break that record (and I know it looks almost impossible to achieve) then and only then the (king of the ring) will speak for itself. If not, I am happy with the ACR being on the top list of the fastest cars in the world around one of the most difficult tracks in the world.

One more big (THANK YOU) to all !

[Coloviper]

This has to stop - the Performante beat the 918 their sisters company Halo car. The SV 6:57 after a few runs unlike the 918 that had an entire race team and a stack of computers on the passenger seat but the Ring was slower when the 918 ran and they have tweaked the 918 making it faster so would expect it could run faster.

The Performante ran the time stated not installing a roll bar could cost someone their life - are you people serious!


Be proud of the Viper Ring is not the best place for the Viper it's got almost 2000 lb.s of downforce top speed 178.

Actually it doesn't! Read your posts and you clearly just blindly accept the Lambo times because you like them and keep claiming that they have no reason to lie, they have integrity, blah, blah, blah. Look if the Viper can't run the gambit for the record, but has it documented and witnessed, we the Viper community accept it for what it is. We don't make excuses and we do have respect for those that truly do better. In LIFE, if it is not documented and witnessed, it did not exist. That is the way it is.

Do I think the ACR will beat that a Lambo spliced time, no I don't. Full on race cars like the Radical times prove how hard it is to do these sub 7 sec times. Don't care if the 918 had a week of track time, $20M in funds but if it is documented and witnessed, therefore valid. It's not the point of how much time, money, etc. it is truly verified and witnessed. It is a real time.

Guess this is why I gravitate to the Viper as it is the working mans car, with real world results. Know lots of Lambo owners, some in our club are also Viper owners. They love the looks of the Lambo and for that show but still drive their Vipers on the track, not their Lambos. If they are so confident, bring it back out and verify it with witnesses. They will not!

[ViperGTS]

Dominik has to shift ~50 times. Every shift he is loosing some power (clutch in/out). Depending on how fast the Lambo double clutch transmission shifts (no power loss at all!) the difference amounts to 50*x seconds. I guess 0.5 seconds is x. And, Dominik has to handle the shift lever...taking off the right hand of the steering wheel. Time lost there also.

[stradman]

Dominik has to shift ~50 times. Every shift he is loosing some power (clutch in/out). Depending on how fast the Lambo double clutch transmission shifts (no power loss at all!) the difference amounts to 50*x seconds. I guess 0.5 seconds is x. And, Dominik has to handle the shift lever...taking off the right hand of the steering wheel. Time lost there also.

Well it could be accepted that perhaps he has an 8 or 9 second handicap overall using a manual box on the ring compared to an automated box. And of course when you take that into consideration then yes it is quite the feat no question about that! In fact if the ACR dips under 7 minutes, then I'm certain there will never be another manual boxed production car that will ever do a similar thing. That's it. Unfortunately there is no separate Top lap lists for the Nordschleife track for manuals vs automated boxes.

[ironpeddler]

Actually it doesn't! Read your posts and you clearly just blindly accept the Lambo times because you like them and keep claiming that they have no reason to lie, they have integrity, blah, blah, blah. Look if the Viper can't run the gambit for the record, but has it documented and witnessed, we the Viper community accept it for what it is. We don't make excuses and we do have respect for those that truly do better. In LIFE, if it is not documented and witnessed, it did not exist. That is the way it is.

Do I think the ACR will beat that a Lambo spliced time, no I don't. Full on race cars like the Radical times prove how hard it is to do these sub 7 sec times. Don't care if the 918 had a week of track time, $20M in funds but if it is documented and witnessed, therefore valid. It's not the point of how much time, money, etc. it is truly verified and witnessed. It is a real time.

Guess this is why I gravitate to the Viper as it is the working mans car, with real world results. Know lots of Lambo owners, some in our club are also Viper owners. They love the looks of the Lambo and for that show but still drive their Vipers on the track, not their Lambos. If they are so confident, bring it back out and verify it with witnesses. They will not!

What you are doing is exactly what the known car world would do to the viper if the viper broke the record. Everyone would dis-credit the vipers run if it broke the record. An older American made sports car that only costs $150k, breaking the ring record....pppssshhh it didn't happen, that's exactly what they would say. A front engine, manual gearbox, production car, breaking the ring record, so many people would scoff at that. The performante, only costing $300+k, was hard for people to believe it actually broke the record.

I don't think anyone is blindly accepting lambos claims, I think you are blindly accepting false claims about the lambos time/lap. People are really just accepting the reality/facts that have been presented to them by a host of resources to support lambos claims. I mean have you been living under a rock for the last 6 months with no internet access?? All of the correct information is out there to support lambos claims, all kinds of information. Videos, vbox information, side by side comparisons, you name it. How can you say it was not witnessed, documented, or whatever is completely beyond me because there is so much documentation/proof about it its ridiculous. Why would lambo bring it back out to do it again with witnesses when they already did it the first time with witnesses lol?!?! Really man the proof is out there, the facts are out there, it is all over the place, I really have no idea where you are getting your info from other than it just being an opinion. You don't have to be a genius to find all the facts/truth, it is out there for everyone to see/hear but you do have to take the time to actually look for it. I guess no matter how much proof you have there will always be some that never will believe.

There is a lot of difference between a regular huracan and a performante huracan, much more than just the trick aero. The 30 some odd seconds it dropped from the regular huracan is a lot more than just the aero which is why it was possible. Could you take a regular huracan, add aero and then get the same lap time...I highly doubt it. It's basically a completely different car save the way it looks on the outside. New titanium manifolds, active aero, less weight, different springs and sway bars add an additional 10% vertical stiffness and 15% roll stiffness, different bushings add 50% more radial and axial stiffness for more precision, tires, LPI improved and working seamlessly with all functions of the car and better than it ever has before, enhancements to the gearbox and AWD for quicker shifting and glue like traction, I mean the list really does goes on and on if you actually look and care enough to see what the performante actually offers. It is far, far from a regular huracan. MAybe aero was responsible for 10-15 secs of drop, gearbox responsible for maybe a few seconds or something, tires a few seconds and all these other changes it all adds up. Some will say this is the greatest car lambo has ever built. Maybe it is really just that good.

No customers in the USA have received their performante yet which is why you haven't seen them on a track. Customer cars start arriving in the USA in September. So for the 2018 track season you will start seeing the Performante at the track. No lambo owners are going to bring their murci or diablo or aventador to the track lol, I mean some probably do but most wont, especially if they already have a designated track car. Now that Lambo has a track car I would imagine you will start seeing more of them at track days. And it will be an interesting comparison between the customer driven viper and the customer driven performante.

[stradman]

What you are doing is exactly what the known car world would do to the viper if the viper broke the record. Everyone would dis-credit the vipers run if it broke the record. An older American made sports car that only costs $150k, breaking the ring record....pppssshhh it didn't happen, that's exactly what they would say. A front engine, manual gearbox, production car, breaking the ring record, so many people would scoff at that. The performante, only costing $300+k, was hard for people to believe it actually broke the record.

I don't think anyone is blindly accepting lambos claims, I think you are blindly accepting false claims about the lambos time/lap. People are really just accepting the reality/facts that have been presented to them by a host of resources to support lambos claims. I mean have you been living under a rock for the last 6 months with no internet access?? All of the correct information is out there to support lambos claims, all kinds of information. Videos, vbox information, side by side comparisons, you name it. How can you say it was not witnessed, documented, or whatever is completely beyond me because there is so much documentation/proof about it its ridiculous. Why would lambo bring it back out to do it again with witnesses when they already did it the first time with witnesses lol?!?! Really man the proof is out there, the facts are out there, it is all over the place, I really have no idea where you are getting your info from other than it just being an opinion. You don't have to be a genius to find all the facts/truth, it is out there for everyone to see/hear but you do have to take the time to actually look for it. I guess no matter how much proof you have there will always be some that never will believe.

There is a lot of difference between a regular huracan and a performante huracan, much more than just the trick aero. The 30 some odd seconds it dropped from the regular huracan is a lot more than just the aero which is why it was possible. Could you take a regular huracan, add aero and then get the same lap time...I highly doubt it. It's basically a completely different car save the way it looks on the outside. New titanium manifolds, active aero, less weight, different springs and sway bars add an additional 10% vertical stiffness and 15% roll stiffness, different bushings add 50% more radial and axial stiffness for more precision, tires, LPI improved and working seamlessly with all functions of the car and better than it ever has before, enhancements to the gearbox and AWD for quicker shifting and glue like traction, I mean the list really does goes on and on if you actually look and care enough to see what the performante actually offers. It is far, far from a regular huracan. MAybe aero was responsible for 10-15 secs of drop, gearbox responsible for maybe a few seconds or something, tires a few seconds and all these other changes it all adds up. Some will say this is the greatest car lambo has ever built. Maybe it is really just that good.

No customers in the USA have received their performante yet which is why you haven't seen them on a track. Customer cars start arriving in the USA in September. So for the 2018 track season you will start seeing the Performante at the track. No lambo owners are going to bring their murci or diablo or aventador to the track lol, I mean some probably do but most wont, especially if they already have a designated track car. Now that Lambo has a track car I would imagine you will start seeing more of them at track days. And it will be an interesting comparison between the customer driven viper and the customer driven performante.

And herein lies the big problem. This "record" was set in October of last year-nearly nine months before production began of the Performante. This was clearly a Performante mule or prototype that Lambo was using to do the lap(as many manufacturers do of course) however mules/prototypes most times have many differences from the subsequent production due to logistics and costs. Of course if Lambo is adamant that this car is exactly the same as the production cars are then this is where independant witnesses are required to verify this matter. However not only were there were none, Lamborghini released this lap time and video nearly 6 months later!! That is not exactly being transparent. So you can understand why people should not simply accept this lap time as a "production car" record. It was not. Simple as that.

[ironpeddler]

And herein lies the big problem. This "record" was set in October of last year-nearly nine months before production began of the Performante. This was clearly a Performante mule or prototype that Lambo was using to do the lap(as many manufacturers do of course) however mules/prototypes most times have many differences from the subsequent production due to logistics and costs. Of course if Lambo is adamant that this car is exactly the same as the production cars are then this is where independant witnesses are required to verify this matter. However not only were there were none, Lamborghini released this lap time and video nearly 6 months later!! That is not exactly being transparent. So you can understand why people should not simply accept this lap time as a "production car" record. It was not. Simple as that.

The Porsche 918 wasn't an exact replica of a 918 production car either but no one here seems to have a problem with that model or ring time lol. It had a roll cage, it had changes made to it tuning, tires, etc. So if you dis-credit the lambo time you have to also dis-credit the 918 time, cause its the exact same thing. Lambo/Porsche did the exact same things when it comes to production cars/non-production at the ring and IMHO Viper is doing all the same things they did. The viper probably isnt a exact replica of production either. They have made tweeks to suspension, tires, tuning, etc, so therefore its not a exact replica of a customers car, right?? Stop acting like viper is so much more transparent than lambo or Porsche lol they are all doing the same things and they are all probably hiding the full truth of what they actually did. That's why the vipers need more time at the track to make changes to it to make it faster, which also means its not the same car as a stock/customers car with the changes being made. Changes to tires, suspsension, tuning, who knows what else. Changes that make it not like a true production car. So IMHO all of the manufactures are doing the same thing when it comes to ring times. What needs to happen is like a 3rd party independent company somehow takes charge and make up a set of standards/rules for the production car records that everyone has to follow. Live inspections by trusted people before a record run, I mean everything is looked over. But that probably would cost a lot of money so probably will never happen.

Lambo didn't release anything in October because they hadn't technically released the car yet to the public so they didn't release the record yet either. Not because they were hiding something. They didn't release the actual car till the auto show in feb/march which is when they also released all the ring times/records and what not. Any other car maker would have done the same thing if the car hadn't been released yet either. They kept the car and the record ring time a secret for that whole time on purpose and did not release it till the auto shows in march.

[Vypr Phil]

https://www.facebook.com/racelogic/p...735995223001:0

Instead of bashing the authenticity of the Lamborghini Huracan Performante ‘Ring time, why don’t we take a look at why the Viper ACR-E cannot match it (I believe the Lambo time is real).

The 7:03 time is fairly equivalent to the ACR-X time from a few years ago. Almost identical horsepower, probably same with downforce, the X was lighter but the E is a bit more refined. How realistic was it to expect a quantum leap in ‘Ring time for a basically equivalent platform? I hope they can do better, would be nice if they drop under 7 minutes. Beat the 918’s time? Not impossible but certainly a tall order.

The Volkswagen group owns these brands among others: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini and Porsche. Since 1992, the first year of Viper production, the Volkswagen group won the 24 Hour Le Mans race 21 times out of 26. 13 overall victories for Audi, 7 for Porsche and 1 for Bentley. These people take racing very seriously and there is a large engineering brain trust and an even larger contingent of race hardened professionals with many decades experience at top level racing. No wonder the Lambo did so well at the ‘Ring.

Why is the Viper not coming close to the Performante time?
• Transmission, not having a DCT: 6-8 second deficit.
• Transmission number of gears and track usability not optimized in 5th and 6th gear, 1 second.
• Rear wheel drive does not have the tractability of all wheel drive: 2-3 seconds deficit.
• Aero, lack of (smart) active aero with vectoring capability: verified 3 second deficit (Too much downforce costing precious seconds on the relatively long straight top speed section).
Overall time deficit: 12 to15 seconds. If the Viper was technically equivalent it could match the Lamb’s time and quite possibly even beat it.

What we see here is the price paid for aggressively dismissing the use of advanced technology by the “purists”, plain and simple. I call it the “Tyranny of the Purists” and now we are paying for it.

How much has the Viper progressed technically since its intro in 1992? Look at a 1992 Lambo and compare to the Viper’s evolution during the same time span. There were even three production years without Vipers. Looking at a Viper rolling chassis, how different is a 2017 compared to a 1992?

I think we should be very proud with the actual ‘Ring time but we can all hope it could be incrementally improved.

[CarolinaViper]

[QUOTE=ironpeddler They have made tweeks to suspension, tires, tuning, etc, so therefore its not a exact replica of a customers car, right?? Stop acting like viper is so much more transparent than lambo or Porsche lol they are all doing the same things and they are all probably hiding the full truth of what they actually did. That's why the vipers need more time at the track to make changes to it to make it faster, which also means its not the same car as a stock/customers car with the changes being made. Changes to tires, suspsension, tuning, who knows what else. Changes that make it not like a true production car. .[/QUOTE]

What do you mean they may have tweeked the suspension (it capable of being tweaked for anyone who has a ACR - no special software - no special engineer just a wrench). What do you mean about the tires - they are the same tires that I have on mine - may have more or less air in them. Tuning - it has the same tune from the factory as all ACRs and what other "Etc" are you referring to. What do you know about the ACR - apparently not much.

[ACRucrazy]

Dom yesterday

Driving the ACR-E Viper the last couple of days in order to set some good times with the help of the Boys from BJ Motors, Kumho and Prefix. Russ and Bernie and all the helpers of the VST 🦄.
The car is a beast 🙂 but so much fun. Not easy to keep the car on track with so much power and torque. Glad to have those standard Kumho Ecsta V720 ACR Tires which are a great help. We unfortunately only had one lap which was dry for ourselfs. There is definitely another 3-4sec in the car but we need to finetune the car more as well as I do need to work on myself to be 💯%.
Nevertheless this is for all the Viper guys which supported me all those years when I was a factory driver!
My fast codriver Luca Stolz, did an outstanding job helping me setting up the car with his inputs and drives. Great job buddy.

BTW the clapping on the steering wheel is like a ritual to push myself and the car to the limit. And driving with one hand has always been my driving style 😂👋🏾 with a shifter car.
Go Viper! 🐍 Proud of you!

[stradman]

What do you mean they may have tweeked the suspension (it capable of being tweaked for anyone who has a ACR - no special software - no special engineer just a wrench). What do you mean about the tires - they are the same tires that I have on mine - may have more or less air in them. Tuning - it has the same tune from the factory as all ACRs and what other "Etc" are you referring to. What do you know about the ACR - apparently not much.

^^^^^^
This.
Clearly ironpeddler hasn't a clue about the ACR, or the other cars for that matter, judging by those kind of comments I'm afraid.

[Fatboy 18]

Coor I feel these conversations and debates are going to go on for a while yet!

Can we clear a couple of things up.....
Roll cages, For Drivers safety these are a requirement. So 918 with a safety cage = accepted, Viper ACR safety cage = accepted.

People coming on here and other forums saying the Viper suspension was tweaked = accepted, yes it was its an ACR (American Club Racer) and guess what people, it has adjustable suspension...Wow! Some other cars have a button you can press, with the vipers its manual adjustment.

All this talk about the Lambo and 918 to be honest does not really matter, the thing is the Viper on its First Hot lap pulled off a 7.03! Most Excellent! That makes it the Fastest Production American car around the ring
God Bless America

[v10enomous]

I wonder why GM ran with a manual in the Z06...

[ironpeddler]

Instead of bashing the authenticity of the Lamborghini Huracan Performante ‘Ring time, why don’t we take a look at why the Viper ACR-E cannot match it (I believe the Lambo time is real).

The 7:03 time is fairly equivalent to the ACR-X time from a few years ago. Almost identical horsepower, probably same with downforce, the X was lighter but the E is a bit more refined. How realistic was it to expect a quantum leap in ‘Ring time for a basically equivalent platform? I hope they can do better, would be nice if they drop under 7 minutes. Beat the 918’s time? Not impossible but certainly a tall order.

The Volkswagen group owns these brands among others: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini and Porsche. Since 1992, the first year of Viper production, the Volkswagen group won the 24 Hour Le Mans race 21 times out of 26. 13 overall victories for Audi, 7 for Porsche and 1 for Bentley. These people take racing very seriously and there is a large engineering brain trust and an even larger contingent of race hardened professionals with many decades experience at top level racing. No wonder the Lambo did so well at the ‘Ring.

Why is the Viper not coming close to the Performante time?
• Transmission, not having a DCT: 6-8 second deficit.
• Transmission number of gears and track usability not optimized in 5th and 6th gear, 1 second.
• Rear wheel drive does not have the tractability of all wheel drive: 2-3 seconds deficit.
• Aero, lack of (smart) active aero with vectoring capability: verified 3 second deficit (Too much downforce costing precious seconds on the relatively long straight top speed section).
Overall time deficit: 12 to15 seconds. If the Viper was technically equivalent it could match the Lamb’s time and quite possibly even beat it.

What we see here is the price paid for aggressively dismissing the use of advanced technology by the “purists”, plain and simple. I call it the “Tyranny of the Purists” and now we are paying for it.

How much has the Viper progressed technically since its intro in 1992? Look at a 1992 Lambo and compare to the Viper’s evolution during the same time span. There were even three production years without Vipers. Looking at a Viper rolling chassis, how different is a 2017 compared to a 1992?

I think we should be very proud with the actual ‘Ring time but we can all hope it could be incrementally improved.

Common sense in this post, people should read.

I mean 7:03 is a great time if you what you say here is true. Same basic chassis from 1992, seriously is that really the case?? I had no idea. I mean if it goes under 7 mins that would be amazing IMHO. Maybe try and eclipse the lambo aventador time of 6:59. But look at how much he is struggling, walking that line already. I am not sure how much it has left in it. Id say put some slicks on it and see what it does.

[stradman]

I wonder why GM ran with a manual in the Z06...

Well its not I believe a proper sequential automated gearbox like the ones found in the high end exotics, and therefore not as quick and also undoubtebly heavier than manual box....I believe the 2018 Vette will have a proper sequential box.

[stradman]

Common sense in this post, people should read.

I mean 7:03 is a great time if you what you say here is true. Same basic chassis from 1992, seriously is that really the case?? I had no idea. I mean if it goes under 7 mins that would be amazing IMHO. Maybe try and eclipse the lambo aventador time of 6:59. But look at how much he is struggling, walking that line already. I am not sure how much it has left in it. Id say put some slicks on it and see what it does.

I'm afraid yet again, however well meaning you might be, you do not possess that much knowledge with respect to the ACR. The Kumhos that it wears from the factory, are pretty much actually as fast slicks-in fact some of the people on the forum who track their ACR's do fit slicks on, but not to be faster-because they aren't. They do so to get more life out of them, because the front Kumhos's dont last very long at all-simply because they are so soft. Of course there are other logistics with slicks on the ACR which I won't get into. But the most important thing is if you put slicks on the car and then try to set a lap record then its not exactly what I would call standard production its it.

[RC000E]

Always fun to see the reaction on Corvette Forum... Looks like it's not getting much attention...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...7-03-45-a.html

Here's the thread on the Z06 7:13 lap... even funnier...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...he-c7-z06.html

The Corvette buyer demographics and brand loyalty tends to spawn some real fringe opinions. That said, I am curious what you mean about the 7:13 thread being funnier. That's an unsupported, raw form Z06...no tire support, no alignments done, a car that wasn't his to damage, and a journalist for a driver. He can drive, but he isn't working that car anywhere near what Dominic is in the ACR. You put Dominic or similar driver in that Z06 I can bet he'll peel off 5 seconds easily from that journalist. 7:08 in a car with no aero, infotainment, that is a puppy to drive on the street...that's hard to argue with.

I'm a Corvette guy 100%, but I would also call myself an "ACR" guy as well. I have never been very fond of the streetable Vipers, but the ACR's and Competition Coupes...they are beautiful machines. I fully support Viper and fully expect it to have a faster time than Corvette, because GM won't go all-in with a Corvette to the extent of ACR, because they just don't have buyer support for it. I'd LOVE to see Pratt and Miller do a low production ACR'ish version with an RPO code but...so far no go.

[ViperJon]

The Corvette buyer demographics and brand loyalty tends to spawn some real fringe opinions. That said, I am curious what you mean about the 7:13 thread being funnier. That's an unsupported, raw form Z06...no tire support, no alignments done, a car that wasn't his to damage, and a journalist for a driver. He can drive, but he isn't working that car anywhere near what Dominic is in the ACR. You put Dominic or similar driver in that Z06 I can bet he'll peel off 5 seconds easily from that journalist. 7:08 in a car with no aero, infotainment, that is a puppy to drive on the street...that's hard to argue with.

I'm a Corvette guy 100%, but I would also call myself an "ACR" guy as well. I have never been very fond of the streetable Vipers, but the ACR's and Competition Coupes...they are beautiful machines. I fully support Viper and fully expect it to have a faster time than Corvette, because GM won't go all-in with a Corvette to the extent of ACR, because they just don't have buyer support for it. I'd LOVE to see Pratt and Miller do a low production ACR'ish version with an RPO code but...so far no go.

The real question is what happened when GM did send the Z06 there with full factory support and professional driver(s)? We know it happened but it's been on lock down ever since.

[v10enomous]

T That said, I am curious what you mean about the 7:13 thread being funnier.

I was referring to their posts and the fact that they don't realize that 6years later and the Z06 is still slower than the Gen4 ACR.

They say this stuff..

To the haters and trolls who bashed the C7 Z with psychotic obsession for the past 2+ years, suck on that one. What other car for this money can do that?

Impossible. Every Z06 overheats according to this forum...

Really nice to see video, even if not official.

I love my car, it makes a great track weapon! If it were a few hundred pounds lighter, it would be a true beast of a car!

Ah...the sweet smell of vindication.

[stradman]

The Corvette buyer demographics and brand loyalty tends to spawn some real fringe opinions. That said, I am curious what you mean about the 7:13 thread being funnier. That's an unsupported, raw form Z06...no tire support, no alignments done, a car that wasn't his to damage, and a journalist for a driver. He can drive, but he isn't working that car anywhere near what Dominic is in the ACR. You put Dominic or similar driver in that Z06 I can bet he'll peel off 5 seconds easily from that journalist. 7:08 in a car with no aero, infotainment, that is a puppy to drive on the street...that's hard to argue with.

Well that "journalist" that you say is driving that car is not a journalist at all. He's Christian Gebhardt. Hes a professional race driver, who has raced various Porsches and other marques for many years at the 24 hour Ring races. So I think its safe to say he knows how to peddle a car around the Ring..... He now does all the testing around the ring for Sport Auto-the magazine that created the video.......Just saying, so your assertion that Dominik would take 5 seconds off easily is not correct.

[Snorman]

I'm just curious, and I'll probably get bashed...but why is the Go Fund Me now trying to raise the amount to $259k?
He posted on FB that it would cost an estimated $50k to return to run the cars at another date. Yet they increased the GoFundMe goal by $100k. If they only needed $159k originally and raised far more than that, it would seem they only need another ~$19k as of this evening.
S.

[Coloviper]

What you are doing is exactly what the known car world would do to the viper if the viper broke the record. Everyone would dis-credit the vipers run if it broke the record. An older American made sports car that only costs $150k, breaking the ring record....pppssshhh it didn't happen, that's exactly what they would say. A front engine, manual gearbox, production car, breaking the ring record, so many people would scoff at that. The performante, only costing $300+k, was hard for people to believe it actually broke the record.

I don't think anyone is blindly accepting lambos claims, I think you are blindly accepting false claims about the lambos time/lap. People are really just accepting the reality/facts that have been presented to them by a host of resources to support lambos claims. I mean have you been living under a rock for the last 6 months with no internet access?? All of the correct information is out there to support lambos claims, all kinds of information. Videos, vbox information, side by side comparisons, you name it. How can you say it was not witnessed, documented, or whatever is completely beyond me because there is so much documentation/proof about it its ridiculous. Why would lambo bring it back out to do it again with witnesses when they already did it the first time with witnesses lol?!?! Really man the proof is out there, the facts are out there, it is all over the place, I really have no idea where you are getting your info from other than it just being an opinion. You don't have to be a genius to find all the facts/truth, it is out there for everyone to see/hear but you do have to take the time to actually look for it. I guess no matter how much proof you have there will always be some that never will believe.

There is a lot of difference between a regular huracan and a performante huracan, much more than just the trick aero. The 30 some odd seconds it dropped from the regular huracan is a lot more than just the aero which is why it was possible. Could you take a regular huracan, add aero and then get the same lap time...I highly doubt it. It's basically a completely different car save the way it looks on the outside. New titanium manifolds, active aero, less weight, different springs and sway bars add an additional 10% vertical stiffness and 15% roll stiffness, different bushings add 50% more radial and axial stiffness for more precision, tires, LPI improved and working seamlessly with all functions of the car and better than it ever has before, enhancements to the gearbox and AWD for quicker shifting and glue like traction, I mean the list really does goes on and on if you actually look and care enough to see what the performante actually offers. It is far, far from a regular huracan. MAybe aero was responsible for 10-15 secs of drop, gearbox responsible for maybe a few seconds or something, tires a few seconds and all these other changes it all adds up. Some will say this is the greatest car lambo has ever built. Maybe it is really just that good.

No customers in the USA have received their performante yet which is why you haven't seen them on a track. Customer cars start arriving in the USA in September. So for the 2018 track season you will start seeing the Performante at the track. No lambo owners are going to bring their murci or diablo or aventador to the track lol, I mean some probably do but most wont, especially if they already have a designated track car. Now that Lambo has a track car I would imagine you will start seeing more of them at track days. And it will be an interesting comparison between the customer driven viper and the customer driven performante.

Living under a rock huh! Everything you posted just proved my point! No witnesses and unverified by 3rd party. Troll idiot! The only amazing thing is how many words you typed with both hands stroking the Bull's shaft. Complaining about the car having the same chassis since 92'. Grow up,you child!

[Boba Fett]

The Corvette buyer demographics and brand loyalty tends to spawn some real fringe opinions. That said, I am curious what you mean about the 7:13 thread being funnier. That's an unsupported, raw form Z06...no tire support, no alignments done, a car that wasn't his to damage, and a journalist for a driver. He can drive, but he isn't working that car anywhere near what Dominic is in the ACR. You put Dominic or similar driver in that Z06 I can bet he'll peel off 5 seconds easily from that journalist. 7:08 in a car with no aero, infotainment, that is a puppy to drive on the street...that's hard to argue with.

I'm a Corvette guy 100%, but I would also call myself an "ACR" guy as well. I have never been very fond of the streetable Vipers, but the ACR's and Competition Coupes...they are beautiful machines. I fully support Viper and fully expect it to have a faster time than Corvette, because GM won't go all-in with a Corvette to the extent of ACR, because they just don't have buyer support for it. I'd LOVE to see Pratt and Miller do a low production ACR'ish version with an RPO code but...so far no go.

I believe theres another 3 seconds in the Z as well, not much more. Either way, how do you know that there wasn't an alignment done to the car, I highly doubt that. And as far as the driver, he is a racer with plenty experience at the ring.