We re going to nurburgring

[v10enomous]

That brings up a good point and something I'm curious about. Watching the video of Randy Pobst break the Laguna Seca record, he looks to be wrestling the car significantly less. Are the track surfaces really that different, or is there a major suspension tuning difference between the LS car and the NR car? In the NR video it looks to be quite a task just to keep the car pointed in the right direction and I was a little surprised to see that. Awesome run nonetheless, and the driver is a beast.

I thought the exact same thing. The effort at the Ring in the GenV looked to be just slightly less than the Gen4 run. That surprised me too thinking back to the Randy Pobst "look mom no hands" video at LS. I guess that's why it's called the Green Hell. ...and that is why I'm just a monday morning bench racing old waxer.... ahahahaha

[ViperJon]

Road and Track seems to be convinced the Lambo time is real after studying the computer information. See: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-faked-data/. I'm not understanding why it's so impossible for a car with state of the art transmission, 640 HP and active aero along with full factory backing tuned for that specific track and who knows how many test runs couldn't produce those numbers.

[stradman]

Road and Track seems to be convinced the Lambo time is real after studying the computer information. See: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-faked-data/. I'm not understanding why it's so impossible for a car with state of the art transmission, 640 HP and active aero along with full factory backing tuned for that specific track and who knows how many test runs couldn't produce those numbers.

I don't doubt that Lambo did that time in a car. What I highly doubt is that that was a stock production car. No witnessess to prove otherwise......

[v10enomous]

Any bets on what the new Ford GT will run ?

[ACRucrazy]

Road and Track seems to be convinced the Lambo time is real after studying the computer information. See: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...rd-faked-data/. I'm not understanding why it's so impossible for a car with state of the art transmission, 640 HP and active aero along with full factory backing tuned for that specific track and who knows how many test runs couldn't produce those numbers.

I'm not doubting that a fast time is possible. I don't like a "no witness time" nearly a year before the actual production car actually hits the ground.

[Stealth]

Great video and again hats-off to all those involved in the effort--just awesome. IMHO--amateur opinion--there is substantial time left on the table. Here is why:

1. The car appears to be relatively slow in the first 3rd of the lap. Slow running start and slow curves.

2. This was the FIRST hot lap. You really need multiple laps to get into a rhythm. This video look like the driver is gaining speed, confidence and a feel for the track as the lap goes on. This is to be expected on the first hot lap.

3. It looks like the first 2/3 of many curves could even be taken faster in a high downforce car like the ACRE.

4. Reduce downforce and see what happens. Maybe -30%?

5. Fingers crossed for August!

Maybe someone can email the Video and the Summary update in this thread ("from 35,000 feet") to Tim K? $50k--$100k is just a few desk stapler staples to him!

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Any bets on what the new Ford GT will run ?

Not a fan of the NFGT but it will be FAST at the ring. <7min.

[slowhatch]

Haven't sources at the ring already spilled the beans on the Performante time? That it was done on slicks which were grooved to appear like street tires? Which is why there is zero tire noise from the in car vid?

[ironpeddler]

the lambo time is legit. It is recognized as the fastest production car around the ring, even by the track itself. The video has been dissected every which way and that by all kinds of people. I don't think you can argue that. The only thing you can really argue about is how close that car actually is to a stock, customers car. Didn't the 918 also have a roll cage added to it?? and who knows what else they did, so it was not a stock, customers car either. And IMHO Porsche probably did all the same things that lambo did to set the record. And probably every record setting car before that was not a customers car exactly. It got tweeks here and there to suspension, tuning, tires, whatever etc.

And this is how every ring record is, it is met with a ton of speculation, no matter the car. Just imagine if the viper had set the record, lol could you imagine the sh!t storm. So many people out there, probably more than the performante, would be questioning, dissecting, dis-crediting, it would be nuts. Every car forum would be going nuts. I was browsing a couple forums when the performante broke the record and it was crazy.

[Vegaskid]

Watching the lambo run amazes me how the driver has absolutely no effort in steering the car.. Like going for a grocery run on Sunday...

[bigmacsmallfries]

Wow, looking at that video it's clear with great temps, confidence in the aero, and an hour of free track time 10 seconds can be slashed off that time. Driver did a hell of a job with the one and only lap. Very impressed.

[OK Falls GTS]

Watching the lambo run amazes me how the driver has absolutely no effort in steering the car.. Like going for a grocery run on Sunday...

Buddy of mine has a 500 Venom and a 1999 GTS. Also has a Lambo anniversary Countach and a Diablo.He stated that, while driving the Countach the same high speed as his Viper, the difference is, he could hold a champagne glass without spilling a drop vs splashing it all on himself in the Viper.

[Boba Fett]

he looks like hes far away from the steering wheel

[Newport Viper]

the lambo time is legit.

https://www.facebook.com/racelogic/p...735995223001:0

[stradman]

Again nobody can doubt that a Lambo went around in that time. The thing is about the Lambo, is that that was a pre production car back in October 2016- so they can't state it was actually done by a bone stock production car-which I guess is what they are trying to allege. All manner of things can be different in a mule car.

Secondly, the previous 610 Huracan did a 7:28 at the Ring. Now could someone tell me if it at all seems strange to them how its possible the Performante with only a reported 40kgs lighter(still a heavy car though with a 1500kg kerb weight) and maybe 50 hp more can improve the lap record by 36 seconds??? Has there ever been a prior similar example of such changes in parameters leading to this much improvement on a track?? I know its got active aero but this much difference??

[v10enomous]

Always fun to see the reaction on Corvette Forum... Looks like it's not getting much attention...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...7-03-45-a.html

Here's the thread on the Z06 7:13 lap... even funnier...

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...he-c7-z06.html

[ForTehNguyen]

Secondly, the previous 610 Huracan did a 7:28 at the Ring. Now could someone tell me if it at all seems strange to them how its possible the Performante with only a reported 40kgs lighter(still a heavy car though with a 1500kg kerb weight) and maybe 50 hp more can improve the lap record by 36 seconds??? Has there ever been a prior similar example of such changes in parameters leading to this much improvement on a track?? I know its got active aero but this much difference??

Aero makes a huge difference in cars hence why the ACR performs so well. Active aero would make an even bigger difference. It can remove the downforce in straights to lower the drag, add more downforce to the wheels with most grip, etc. Its even used to help the performante steer in turns better. Will be even better to see a fixed aero, manual transmissio car beat the performante time.

This isnt counting the repaved portions of the track that subtract even more time. The 2018 911 GT3 dropped 12.3 sec off the 2017 GT3 911 laptimes with mainly changes in aero and slightly more engine power.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...burgring-time/

[ACRucrazy]

I've watched the ACR lap probably 10 times now all I think about is how much of a klller 5th gear is...

[Coloviper]

Witnessed and verified lap versus a "we just did it time" is like comparing a fishing tournament with witnesses versus a bunch of drunk guys in a boat fishing at night.

I am sure the Lamborghini time when spliced together from a dozen runs is the number they are bragging about. To me it is the modern day verification, which is like the Michael Phelps versus a Great White Shark race. I am so glad Team Viper is falling back to witnesses and full disclosure. In the end, it can not be discredited. That is Viper; real, ready and with results.

If it beats the 918, then mission accomplished. That Lamborghini time verification is like asking a convicted felon if it is okay and they say "it's legal". It's a BS time no matter how much you euro lovers defend it. If it is not documented, witnessed and verified, it did NOT happen. That is life folks. Go Team Viper, whether you beat it or not.

[viperBase1]

if it beats the 918, then mission accomplished.

^^Exactly!

[stradman]

The 2018 911 GT3 dropped 12.3 sec off the 2017 GT3 911 laptimes with mainly changes in aero and slightly more engine power.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...burgring-time/

Yes but NOT 36 seconds! That is the sticking point.

[GTSilver]

I've watched the ACR lap probably 10 times now all I think about is how much of a klller 5th gear is...

I don't know why it didnt come with the 2010 ACR 5th gear ratio

[Russ Oasis]

Ironpeddler, for clarification, the track itself never recognizes anything. They have no dog in the fight, so as to your statement that the track recognizes the Lambo time as legit, that is not correct.

[ForTehNguyen]

Yes but NOT 36 seconds! That is the sticking point.

2018 GT3 doesnt have active aero, only passive, and a small bump in power. I dont think it lost much if any weight over a 2017. This alone was worth 12 sec

ring repaved in some sections since the regular huracan did its times
active aero, and produces 750% more downforce than the regular huracan
-90# over regular huracan
much better tires compared to a regular huracans (pirelli p zeros are junk to me)

I would think the ACR is worth more than 36 sec over a regular viper so not sure why it wouldnt be out of the question for a performante which is basically a ACR version of the regular huracan

[ACR Extreme]

Witnessed and verified lap versus a "we just did it time" is like comparing a fishing tournament with witnesses versus a bunch of drunk guys in a boat fishing at night.

I am sure the Lamborghini time when spliced together from a dozen runs is the number they are bragging about. To me it is the modern day verification, which is like the Michael Phelps versus a Great White Shark race. I am so glad Team Viper is falling back to witnesses and full disclosure. In the end, it can not be discredited. That is Viper; real, ready and with results.

If it beats the 918, then mission accomplished. That Lamborghini time verification is like asking a convicted felon if it is okay and they say "it's legal". It's a BS time no matter how much you euro lovers defend it. If it is not documented, witnessed and verified, it did NOT happen. That is life folks. Go Team Viper, whether you beat it or not.

This has to stop - the Performante beat the 918 their sisters company Halo car. The SV 6:57 after a few runs unlike the 918 that had an entire race team and a stack of computers on the passenger seat but the Ring was slower when the 918 ran and they have tweaked the 918 making it faster so would expect it could run faster.

The Performante ran the time stated not installing a roll bar could cost someone their life - are you people serious!

Be proud of the Viper Ring is not the best place for the Viper it's got almost 2000 lb.s of downforce top speed 178.

[Rapidrezults]

Dom said in an interview that the car still has mid-corner push and exit oversteer....sounds like they still have some work to do on tuning the car. I don't remember watching any of the US track record-run videos that showed so much wrestling with the wheel. If they can get that tuned out of it, there is no doubt sub 7's in reach. A 1st and only attempt 7:03 is encouraging!