TT ACR vs built turbo Supra vs built Mustang

[ZeeViper]

Power is what overcomes aero drag, not torque. Again, torque is multiplied through the drivetrain, it's not a useful number at all. Bikes have terrible aero, it's not a lack of torque that hurts them up top. Revisit a physics textbook and you'll see that I'm right. Power= ability to do work. Torque is a force, not the ability to do work over time.

What does a motor produce? How is acceleration of rotational mass achieved? How is horsepower calculated ?

[ACR]

HP = (RPM * Torque) / 5252

[racegate]

Hmm, Will delivering real results via video with real racing, meanwhile a forum discussion on HP vs Torque. Sounds about right. Carry on.

[Patentlaw]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

[Junkie]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits

[moe.basilo]

Both the other cars I raced have ran 8's at 160+.... I stayed right with them/in front of them on several races, that seems VERY fast to me for a car with 2000lbs of down force and a stock motor.

What would you like the outcome to be? Honestly, that wasn't a jab just a question.

Great run will, that's really impressive for running with these built cars. 8 second cars = No Joke Man.
you have an aero which holds the car down and on top of that a stock motor thumbs up for that and it is great seeing someone is driving the car instead of keeping it at home for decades, thats how you suppose to drive a viper. keep up the good work and keep us posted with new videos.

[pdv25]

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits

Lmao!!

[viper04]

Nice video nice car! thanks for posting.

[Zach]

Hmm, Will delivering real results via video with real racing, meanwhile a forum discussion on HP vs Torque. Sounds about right. Carry on.

I was really hoping Viper forums would be different. Apparently not, lol.

[Patentlaw]

lol always that one guy

I guess you didn't see all the TRC videos? Or several others posting "Mexico" hits

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

[Racingswh]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

I think the risk is probably far less than you may think. When watching the videos you see that there are few cars on the streets and the pulls are really short. I would bet a strong run up the merge lane into traffic carries more risk.

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part be done like this all in fun for everyone, instead some kind of crazy impromptu extended over the public road contest. Unorganized contests for extended periods of time at 150 mph plus with complete disregard for traffic conditions get people killed.

Guy we know in town from High School and asked him numerous times to come to the track with us but he never did. I had forgotten by the time I was 12 the skill this guy had to drive fast even though he fancied himself as a great driver.

http://6abc.com/archive/8917623/

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.c...5410b7c60.html

[pdv25]

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

He is probably trying to say, why haven't you commented about some other guy on here. All he posts are TRC street racing videos.

[Zach]

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part

Have you spent any seat time in a car that makes 4 digit power?

[Junkie]

And what do the other videos have to do with your racing on the streets?

Let's be realistic, nothing I say will change your opinion. That's just fine

[Space Truckin]

OK, I'll bite since nobody else did.

Racing on the street? If someone gets injured, it is a felony of the third degree. That is 2 to 10 years in jail. Why risk it? Why even post it? Why allow this to even be posted on the website?

See posts 3&4, the beauty of reply with quote

Originally Posted by SharpMan
The flames lighting up the Mustang was pretty wild but you are going to fuck up your life posting street racing vids for the public to see.

^^^Here we go^^^....

Job well done Will...

[Racingswh]

Have you spent any seat time in a car that makes 4 digit power?

I have not. Only 983 rwhp. Of the couple thousand or so hours I have on road courses all the cars I have driven there have had less than 1000 hp.

Why do you ask? Are you going to tell me going straight from a roll takes skill I am unaware of? Maybe the ability to modulate the power delivery if you start to spin the tires I guess. Basic skill of driving a fast car I would think.

Drag Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I am terrible at it)

Nascar Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I know for a fact I can't turn into 1 at Pocono at 190 plus MPH)

Road Course Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (Like a few guys here have, ACRSteve, Darius, Luke, Snorman etc)

Rally Racing = Same as above

Competitive Drifting = Same as above

Pulls from a roll on Saturday night on some highway with my friends = I personally could have and would have been begging to do that when I was 10

If that's all I was doing with them I would need about 20 minutes to think any of those cars are slow and need more power. Especially if other cars around me were nearly or were as fast. LOL!! I would be calling the builder and asking "what's wrong with this thing, I thought you said it was going to be fast"?? lol!! Don't tell me you haven't felt that way!! You spend any time in a fast car and you get acclimated to it almost immediately.

If I was trying to learn to Drag Race them competitively. Yep different story. I would be lost.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying the Driver's of those cars have no skill. They may be exceptional. I was actually speaking to the relative safety and risk aspect. I feel that because the driving aspect is insignificant (other than throttle modulation I guess you could say if car setup or traction is poor) and the places chosen to make those pulls are relatively un-populated with other cars there isn't as much risk as some may believe there to be.

The pulls are short with low speeds (Maybe 160 mph if that?) when the roads are reasonably clear and it looks like everyone actually respects the fact that they are on the street and there are other cars ahead.

The flames shooting out and the cars are all really cool!! It looks like it's probably a lot of fun if you don't have anything else going on.

[Junkie]

I have not. Only 983 rwhp. Of the couple thousand or so hours I have on road courses all the cars I have driven there have had less than 1000 hp.

Why do you ask? Are you going to tell me going straight from a roll takes skill I am unaware of? Maybe the ability to modulate the power delivery if you start to spin the tires I guess. Basic skill of driving a fast car I would think.

Drag Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I am terrible at it)

Nascar Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (I know for a fact I can't turn into 1 at Pocono at 190 plus MPH)

Road Course Racing = tremendous skill to do it well (Like a few guys here have, ACRSteve, Darius, Luke, Snorman etc)

Rally Racing = Same as above

Competitive Drifting = Same as above

Pulls from a roll on Saturday night on some highway with my friends = I personally could have and would have been begging to do that when I was 10

If that's all I was doing with them I would need about 20 minutes to think any of those cars are slow and need more power. Especially if other cars around me were nearly or were as fast. LOL!! I would be calling the builder and asking "what's wrong with this thing, I thought you said it was going to be fast"?? lol!! Don't tell me you haven't felt that way!! You spend any time in a fast car and you get acclimated to it almost immediately.

If I was trying to learn to Drag Race them competitively. Yep different story. I would be lost.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not saying the Driver's of those cars have no skill. They may be exceptional. I was actually speaking to the relative safety and risk aspect. I feel that because the driving aspect is insignificant (other than throttle modulation I guess you could say if car setup or traction is poor) and the places chosen to make those pulls are relatively un-populated with other cars there isn't as much risk as some may believe there to be.

The pulls are short with low speeds (Maybe 160 mph if that?) when the roads are reasonably clear and it looks like everyone actually respects the fact that they are on the street and there are other cars ahead.

The flames shooting out and the cars are all really cool!! It looks like it's probably a lot of fun if you don't have anything else going on.

You're correct, 60-160 and we try to make it as safe as possible. I wanted a no compromise street car, setup to drive across country without issue and do pretty well against my buddies in exactly this type of racing. I've ruined a lot of cars pushing them too far and turning them into "race cars" I'd love to not do that again with such a fun and amazing car.

[Patentlaw]

I think the risk is probably far less than you may think. When watching the videos you see that there are few cars on the streets and the pulls are really short. I would bet a strong run up the merge lane into traffic carries more risk.

I would much rather these short, low speed pulls that require no skill or judgement on the drivers part be done like this all in fun for everyone, instead some kind of crazy impromptu extended over the public road contest. Unorganized contests for extended periods of time at 150 mph plus with complete disregard for traffic conditions get people killed.

Guy we know in town from High School and asked him numerous times to come to the track with us but he never did. I had forgotten by the time I was 12 the skill this guy had to drive fast even though he fancied himself as a great driver.

http://6abc.com/archive/8917623/

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.c...5410b7c60.html

You got my point. Nobody ever thinks that they will get into an accident. Even the best of people and drivers get into accidents on public roadways. Things happen beyond your control. Things laying in the road. These are compounded at night. I have personal experience with drivers who think that they know what they are doing and get into accidents where people die or are severely injured. It is not worth it.

As far as commenting on other people.....I am not the forum police. I have commented on others.....but surely not all.

I am sorry I am not fawning over the video as the original poster wanted. He opened himself up to comment and I commented. I hope that his luck continues and that he never gets in trouble with the law or has an accident.

Lastly, here is a police officer who took a joy ride. Highly trained at driving. It happens. Dodge Viper.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/...-be-sentenced/

[Racingswh]

You're correct, 60-160 and we try to make it as safe as possible. I wanted a no compromise street car, setup to drive across country without issue and do pretty well against my buddies in exactly this type of racing. I've ruined a lot of cars pushing them too far and turning them into "race cars" I'd love to not do that again with such a fun and amazing car.

Your car is very special. I believe one of if not the best platform to start from. I just love mine.

Someday if the stars align properly I will have a 1400 hp turbocharged road course car. Only fitting since the big power 917/30 is probably my favorite of all time.

Enjoy your car! It's amazing.

[Snakebit10]

This silver TT Viper beast of a street car reminds me of a certain full weight red Gen 2 GTS street car from back in the day that did 8.9 @180mph if memory serves. Car made it in the mags too I just forgot who owned it. Low 9's high 8's in a full weight street car, regardless of platform, is nothing short of spectacular.

Can't knock posts like PatentLaw's as there are tons of articles over the decades showcasing the aftermath of street racing gone wrong. Be safe gentlemen.

[Chiliphil1]

Will, absolutely gorgeous. Can't beat a reliable 1000+whp street car you can beat on and not have to worry about things breaking.

I have nothing of value to add, just wanted to say that your avatar is the coolest in the history of avatars!

I'd love to watch the speedometer climb while you're doin those pulls!

I second that.

From the linked article above

A car that belongs on the race track, not residential roads.

Reminds me of the gun debate. Just because something bad happened to me we must ban it so that no one can possibly find any joy, anywhere.

[City]

Can't knock posts like PatentLaw's as there are tons of articles over the decades showcasing the aftermath of street racing gone wrong. Be safe gentlemen.

This^

From the linked article above Reminds me of the gun debate. Just because something bad happened to me we must ban it so that no one can possibly find any joy, anywhere.

I'm not taking a position here, but this is a poor argument as guns are legal and street racing is not. A more proper comparison would be the use of guns for target practice on a public street vs. street racing.

[Vipes]

You got my point. Nobody ever thinks that they will get into an accident. Even the best of people and drivers get into accidents on public roadways. Things happen beyond your control. Things laying in the road. These are compounded at night. I have personal experience with drivers who think that they know what they are doing and get into accidents where people die or are severely injured. It is not worth it.

As far as commenting on other people.....I am not the forum police. I have commented on others.....but surely not all.

I am sorry I am not fawning over the video as the original poster wanted. He opened himself up to comment and I commented. I hope that his luck continues and that he never gets in trouble with the law or has an accident.

Lastly, here is a police officer who took a joy ride. Highly trained at driving. It happens. Dodge Viper.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/...-be-sentenced/

I don't understand your motivation or goal. Do you believe in your mind that you are going to explain risk to Junkie that he wasn't aware of?

That link isn't even remotely correlated. He was a trained driver in a crown vic which was actually the problem because it made him over confident to drive a 600hp viper on run flats. He probably had 0 seat time in any high hp car on a track. IMO there is more risk driving a Viper fast around corners vs doing a highway pull in a straight line.

[Patentlaw]

I don't understand your motivation or goal. Do you believe in your mind that you are going to explain risk to Junkie that he wasn't aware of?

That link isn't even remotely correlated. He was a trained driver in a crown vic which was actually the problem because it made him over confident to drive a 600hp viper on run flats. He probably had 0 seat time in any high hp car on a track. IMO there is more risk driving a Viper fast around corners vs doing a highway pull in a straight line.

Junkie and I corresponded privately regarding the issue. He is a good guy. I am not trying to be a kill joy. The penalties here in Texas are very harsh. I was concerned that a fellow viper driver was taking an extreme risk in light of the law. I did not call him a name or be negative. Not everyone knows the severity. I did not assume he knew and wanted him to be informed.

If you characterize the linked article as being not on point, I disagree. The point is that people are held accountable for driving on the highways, even if they are the police. Why would people being charged for recklessness on the highway not be on point? Even the police? A trained driver.

Obviously, you are not from the area the incident happened in NJ. Route 130 is essentially straight and the driver was traveling at 94 mph. Similar to the video. The officers had BETTER sight lines because it happened during the daytime during their lunch break.

[Chiliphil1]

This^



I'm not taking a position here, but this is a poor argument as guns are legal and street racing is not. A more proper comparison would be the use of guns for target practice on a public street vs. street racing.

No no, that's not what I meant.

I meant in the article where the lady says "a car that should be on a race track, not a street" I was in no way supporting street racing, not at all. Just saying that here is a person saying what type of car can be on a street. Much like how they tell you which guns you should be able to own.