The VIPER TAX

[bluesrt]

just like the rear hub bearings on a 03 to 10 viper/ same part number from factory moog stamped number as a 1996 4x4 dodge Dakota...lol dodge wants 500.00, napa wants 125.00 pulled the factory rear moog hub bearing off my 2010 x car and has the same part number for the dakots, so no its not different,if it was the part number would differant

[ViperSRT]

just like the rear hub bearings on a 03 to 10 viper/ same part number from factory moog stamped number as a 1996 4x4 dodge Dakota...lol dodge wants 500.00, napa wants 125.00 pulled the factory rear moog hub bearing off my 2010 x car and has the same part number for the dakots, so no its not different,if it was the part number would differant

I thought they selected low end tolerance hubs for Viper to prevent having excessive lash and noise. A number alone may not tell the whole story.

BTW the engineer who specified that part is a member of MCVO and VOA.

[bluesrt]

one would think if you ran a part number off a bearing of the same brand, how many different ones could there be? different ones mean different part number, 1234- for 03 viper, 1234ab 03 super fast option -lol 1234ab-tt super fast racer

[06SRTCoupe]

Mobile 1 oil filters are also fine to use...at least on a Gen III they are. I can't speak for the other Gen's but I'm betting they would be fine on them as well.

[ViperSRT]

Works and works well are two different things. The engineers stated the original filter and all competitive filters evaluated can allow unfiltered oil to bypass by the filter during high oil flow periods. To prevent that in concert with the supplier they created a Viper specific filter with higher flow capacity to avoid circulation of unfiltered oil. Ignore that advice at your own risk. Note the only symptom of unfiltered oil related damage us when it becomes catastrophic.

On a side note we all used those filters prior to development of the new filter. But when something better became available I personally switched, as did many others.

[13COBRA]

Again, the best advice I can give anyone... anything that involves the drivetrain, I would always go with the more expensive "Viper" part...but anything else, such as a trunk release, jack, etc, it's ok to go the cheaper route.

[Dajerseyviper]

Dajerseyviper, at the end of the day, it's your Viper to do with as you wish.

That said, the engineers responsible for developing you Viper engine gathered some data along the way that convinced them to have a filter designed and produced specifically for the Viper. Here is a little insight from that group as written in a "member only restricted area" of another forum:
"We worked with many of the filter suppliers to get the best features. Some fell out for various performance reasons but we ended up developing the current SRT filters with one of the mainstream manufacturers (it is different than their commercial offerings - or at least was when we developed it). The high flow oil pumps in our large engines (Viper is the biggest) can overpower the internal relief valve. When this valve opens it allows some of the high pressure dirty oil to bypass the filter element in order to keep the filter from being damaged. The SRT filters do indeed have a higher differential bypass valve to make sure all the oil delivered to your powerplant is clean. The housing is slightly thicker than many of the brands out there to handle the pressure but is not the thickest. The real thick ones failed our development testing (fractured at the crimped flange). The media used was one of the latest synthetics that allowed very fine filtration, more debris capacity, and much lower restriction than our standard Mopar filter (and just about every other filter out there). The final result was clean oil to your Snake, all the time, with more pressure to the internals where it is needed. I would fully recommend using this filter in your beast, I do in mine. Hope this info helps."

I dont know what your post has to do with anything I posted. Im complaining about the price of a grommet for the sports cap, Not an oil filter.

[Dajerseyviper]

I made a mental note here that most that are complaining are enthusiasts and not members. Hmmm. Guess that is another viper tax.

Sorry that im not 12 years old and suffer from acceptance issues and feel a need to join a car club. So I guess you're a better human than me cause you pay dues to a national car club...

[Dajerseyviper]

Let's see......you drove your car to get the part instead of having it delivered to your door. There is a cost to that. You took time looking for the part. There is a cost to that. So what did you gain?

Unless your normal employment is at the dollar store, where everything is at the lowest price possible, you also live by the people who shop or frequent your establishment. You don't complain about it then that people used your services and paid a little more.

You just begrudge others for making a living. You never even considered that convenience has value to others.

When you look at it, your problems are very small. Wars, disease, economic uncertainty. You have one of the nicest cars on the planet.

**** NOTE ******

If you had started the thread like this.......

Hey everyone, I wanted to pass along a great place to save everyone some money. It is place XYZ........ People would have been thankful.

INSTEAD

You complained about others servicing the Viper community.

Instead of a positive thread, you made it negative.

May you continue to have incredible luck in your life concerned about the small things in life. Happy Easter.

I ordered it... as in online...As in delivered to my door...Sorry again to disappoint and invalidate a forum members point he was trying to make..

[Dajerseyviper]

Works and works well are two different things. The engineers stated the original filter and all competitive filters evaluated can allow unfiltered oil to bypass by the filter during high oil flow periods. To prevent that in concert with the supplier they created a Viper specific filter with higher flow capacity to avoid circulation of unfiltered oil. Ignore that advice at your own risk. Note the only symptom of unfiltered oil related damage us when it becomes catastrophic.

On a side note we all used those filters prior to development of the new filter. But when something better became available I personally switched, as did many others.

Dude, you keep stroking these "engineers" egos like you have a vested interest in them. Here is a reality check, and I know I will get heat for this but those who understand me will truly get it, but the Viper is terribly engineered car for its price point and market competition. More specifically the Gen I and II's which were plagued with problems like Paper head gaskets, poor cooling design, excessive in cabin heat, plastic power steering pump pulleys and crank pulleys that sheered off, horribly aligned body panels, just to name a few right off the top of my head...That's not even getting into the other little horrid things about the interior and its design or lack of. Other manufacturers at the time were making a way better product in the $90,000 price point range of a viper, which is why the viper never really sold to a main stream audience well and has been discontinued due to poor sales profits. That being said, I love my viper but hate many things about it..So lets really stop with this engineering nonsense about the viper, its not really that great of a car and all in all is a really badly designed and manufactured car when you really get down to it...

So if you're gonna tell my your engineer buddy said that the same exact part number for a wheel bearing will only work if you purchase it from a viper specialist for 3 times the price because it has special "VIPER" tolerances, then perhaps try selling people bridges as a profession.

[13COBRA]

Jesus Christ. Multi-Quote.

[Dajerseyviper]

one would think if you ran a part number off a bearing of the same brand, how many different ones could there be? different ones mean different part number, 1234- for 03 viper, 1234ab 03 super fast option -lol 1234ab-tt super fast racer

its the same bearing period. No manufacture is gonna make parts that they cant cross use in different applications, it would cost too much on the manufacturing end and the viper would cost $350,000 as a result. Even the rotors are off a dodge truck...Dodge really made a Frankenstein of a car the first 10 years of production.

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Jesus Christ. Multi-Quote.

I cant figure that out, Im only a dumb enthusiast.

[ViperSRT]

Dude, you keep stroking these "engineers" egos like you have a vested interest in them. Here is a reality check, and I know I will get heat for this but those who understand me will truly get it, but the Viper is terribly engineered car for its price point and market competition. More specifically the Gen I and II's which were plagued with problems like Paper head gaskets, poor cooling design, excessive in cabin heat, plastic power steering pump pulleys and crank pulleys that sheered off, horribly aligned body panels, just to name a few right off the top of my head...That's not even getting into the other little horrid things about the interior and its design or lack of. Other manufacturers at the time were making a way better product in the $90,000 price point range of a viper, which is why the viper never really sold to a main stream audience well and has been discontinued due to poor sales profits. That being said, I love my viper but hate many things about it..So lets really stop with this engineering nonsense about the viper, its not really that great of a car and all in all is a really badly designed and manufactured car when you really get down to it...

So if you're gonna tell my your engineer buddy said that the same exact part number for a wheel bearing will only work if you purchase it from a viper specialist for 3 times the price because it has special "VIPER" tolerances, then perhaps try selling people bridges as a profession.

Sounds like you should buy a car you like. Adios.

And it was the hub I mentioned and not a bearing.

[ViperSRT]

its the same bearing period. No manufacture is gonna make parts that they cant cross use in different applications, it would cost too much on the manufacturing end and the viper would cost $350,000 as a result. Even the rotors are off a dodge truck...Dodge really made a Frankenstein of a car the first 10 years of production.

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I cant figure that out, Im only a dumb enthusiast.

Your logic is astounding. Why the fuck are you here? Go to another forum. Quickly.

[Chiliphil1]

You know, I'm not yet an owner but I have totally noticed this as I am making sure of what I am getting into. Parts are more expensive but, I really expected them to be. Anytime you have a premium product you pay more, that's just how it is. The viper is an $80k car, so parts are not going to be cheap. I also get the viper specific part thing as well, I mean I think it's part the name and part higher quality. The same applies to my motorcycle, it's a Buell, not super expensive but somewhat rare and now out of production. Parts for that, if they can be found are pricey but there are many aftermarket auto parts which will "fit" guys have come up with ways to mod things to work, etc.. But to that I say, wouldn't you want the part that was made for the vehicle by the people who made the vehicle?

[13COBRA]

You know, I'm not yet an owner but I have totally noticed this as I am making sure of what I am getting into. Parts are more expensive but, I really expected them to be. Anytime you have a premium product you pay more, that's just how it is. The viper is an $80k car, so parts are not going to be cheap. I also get the viper specific part thing as well, I mean I think it's part the name and part higher quality. The same applies to my motorcycle, it's a Buell, not super expensive but somewhat rare and now out of production. Parts for that, if they can be found are pricey but there are many aftermarket auto parts which will "fit" guys have come up with ways to mod things to work, etc.. But to that I say, wouldn't you want the part that was made for the vehicle by the people who made the vehicle?

Exactly why I sold my RC8R... it was expensive to maintain haha

[daveg]

All car manufactures try and use some off the shelf parts to keep costs down. Case in point, my window switch went on my 96 GTS and a Viper parts place wanted $350 for the switch (also came with the shifter plate that I didn't need) But found that the Dodge Caravan window switch was the EXACT same part for $19.00 All I had to do was switch the plastic cover over to the new one and done.
I believe the mirrors on a Gen II are Stealth mirrors if not mistaken.

[Dajerseyviper]

Your logic is astounding. Why the fuck are you here? Go to another forum. Quickly.

You sir are a real dick....Go to hell.

[Vipernoob]

Sounds like you should buy a car you like. Adios.

And it was the hub I mentioned and not a bearing.

He's already promised he would leave us alone before, don't expect too much:

Ill do you a favor and remove myself from here on out. Im sorry my "tell it like it is" postings draw more heat than the owner of Vipaire who has literally STOLEN tens and thousands of dollars from your members and yet is still allowed to post. I dont want to be part of your club, and dont feel like being talked to by some internet tough guy like I am a little kid on a time out..Your moderating is one sided and biased anyway, you rather hav RSI and Vipaire posting than a hard spoken rather Cynical guy from NJ..So peace out and enjoy your silly car club. Sorry I ruffled your feathers girls..

[ViperSRT]

You sir are a real dick....Go to hell.

You come here and shit on the Viper design and the people that made it happen and what do you expect.

You said "... the Viper is terribly engineered car for its price point and market competition. More specifically the Gen I and II's which were plagued with problems like Paper head gaskets, poor cooling design, excessive in cabin heat, plastic power steering pump pulleys and crank pulleys that sheered off, horribly aligned body panels, just to name a few right off the top of my head...That's not even getting into the other little horrid things about the interior and its design or lack of. Other manufacturers at the time were making a way better product in the $90,000 price point range of a viper, which is why the viper never really sold to a main stream audience well and has been discontinued due to poor sales profits. "

" ... Dodge really made a Frankenstein of a car the first 10 years of production."

Your knowledge is astounding. And your dislike for the car is also clear. So again why are you here?

[Special Ed]

Hold on I need more popcorn.

[ViperTony]

Jesus Christ. Multi-Quote.

Single quoting is cheaper.

[SlowPoke McGee]

You come here and shit on the Viper design and the people that made it happen and what do you expect.

You said "... the Viper is terribly engineered car for its price point and market competition. More specifically the Gen I and II's which were plagued with problems like Paper head gaskets, poor cooling design, excessive in cabin heat, plastic power steering pump pulleys and crank pulleys that sheered off, horribly aligned body panels, just to name a few right off the top of my head...That's not even getting into the other little horrid things about the interior and its design or lack of. Other manufacturers at the time were making a way better product in the $90,000 price point range of a viper, which is why the viper never really sold to a main stream audience well and has been discontinued due to poor sales profits. "

" ... Dodge really made a Frankenstein of a car the first 10 years of production."

Your knowledge is astounding. And your dislike for the car is also clear. So again why are you here?

Hey Gen V. Congrats on spending $125k + for your car. Obviously you have more money than you know what to do with so this topic must seem asinine to you. Why don't you slink back to the GenV forum where people with more money than they know what to do with like to converge? Over here, folks tend to respect the value of a hard earned dollar a little more. There is obviously a disconnect in the Viper community and this topic brings it out more than any other. When some folks have no issue paying $189,000 for a Viper try to school me (who paid $21,000 for my Viper), we have a problem. We're not even in the same game bro. We both like Vipers and that's were it ends. I would NEVER spend that kind of money on a car and I don't think you're a demigod for doing so. A car nut with deep pockets and narrowly defined priorities,yes.✅

[Rich Detert]

Hey Gen V. Congrats on spending $125k + for your car. Obviously you have more money than you know what to do with so this topic must seem asinine to you. Why don't you slink back to the GenV forum where people with more money than brains like to converge? Over here, folks tend to respect the value of a hard earned dollar a little more. There is obviously a disconnect in the Viper community and this topic brings it out more than any other. When some folks have no issue paying $189,000 for a Viper try to school me (who paid $21,000 for my Viper), we have a problem. We're not even in the same game bro. We both like Vipers and that's were it ends. I would NEVER spend that kind of money on a car and I don't think you're a demigod for doing so. Quite the opposite actually.

Great response.

Why do some people get so uptight when a subject like this (overpriced parts) comes up?

As stated, not everyone has an unlimited budget for their car.

Why pay more than you have to for parts or anything else?

There are lots of parts on a Viper that were used on other Chrysler products through the years.

They didn't use lesser quality parts on the cars that weren't Vipers.

All the parts that Chrysler used were designed to be in tolerance and hopefully last till the car was out of warranty.

A lot of the parts were made by vendors, not directly by Chrysler.
They are just built to Chrysler's specifications to be used as an OEM part.

Being a Chrysler assembly plant retiree gives me some insight to how the vehicles were built, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

[ViperSRT]

You know, maybe, Just maybe people that have a Gen V have other Vipers also. And maybe had them since new. And have a whole lot of information about them. But if you choose to act like they do not belong maybe they just keep that information close to their vests and let you newer owners, that bought when prices were at the bottom, learn the hard way.

Read the other posts from this New Jersey guy and you will quickly learn he is a dick and deserves nothing. He is not a contributor in any sense of the word. Anyone who constantly denigrates the Viper design, the people/company that engineered it and the companies that provide valuable parts and services clearly does not belong here.