2017 Gen V s Silence is golden

[Policy Limits]

I'd love to see that law, I have called the California Air Research Board (CARB) as well as the California Bureau of Automotive Repair asking for answers. I was told no law exists. I was specifically given an example of an offending manufacturer and it was a Dodge product. I made no mention of any car that I owned. So if you have proof as you state, I'm guessing your an attorney, it would be a service to all if you can find said "law".

I am an attorney actually. The "law" is your legally binding contract of warranty in and to your vehicle purchase. There are express and implied warranties by law with such a consumer purchase. I'm no consumer lawyer but my understanding is that parts need to be made available through out the warranty period notwithstanding the end of production. In addition to a contract being a legally binding and enforceable legal mechanism, there may be state and federal statutes that provide consumer protection, have you "called" your law library?

[Bruce H.]

No they do a buy back in that situation. And would you really want another one after going through something like that? Plant closes in 5 months now, can't wait

Why are you so eager for the factory to close and production to end?

The reaction I see from media, enthusiast owners and non-owners is universally one of great disappointment, and represents to them the ending of an era that they hoped would never end. Friends of mine who preferred and purchased other pricey performance cars mourn the loss of a car that helped improve the breed everywhere.

For current Viper owners it causes additional concern over the availability of factory parts and support, dealer support and aftermarket parts development and support.

Prospective buyers will be concerned about on-going dwindling availability and rising cost of parts and service as well, and something they will naturally factor into a decision whether to even to purchase or not, and the price they're willing to pay. And that will impact the ease of owners selling their cars and the offers they'll get.

I just don't see an upside to this at all, even for those with limited, dealer and special editions. There will be collectors that don't plan to drive the cars and may not be as concerned about parts and service, but they may be concerned about how desirable the market in general considers these cars, and I really can't see that being enhanced, at least in the short term. But we have a whole thread devoted to that, and show a range of opinions about how all that might play out.

So why do you rejoice the passing of this icon so often?

Bruce

[LABrit]

Why are you so eager for the factory to close and production to end?

The reaction I see from media, enthusiast owners and non-owners is universally one of great disappointment, and represents to them the ending of an era that they hoped would never end. Friends of mine who preferred and purchased other pricey performance cars mourn the loss of a car that helped improve the breed everywhere.

For current Viper owners it causes additional concern over the availability of factory parts and support, dealer support and aftermarket parts development and support.

Prospective buyers will be concerned about on-going dwindling availability and rising cost of parts and service as well, and something they will naturally factor into a decision whether to even to purchase or not, and the price they're willing to pay. And that will impact the ease of owners selling their cars and the offers they'll get.

I just don't see an upside to this at all, even for those with limited, dealer and special editions. There will be collectors that don't plan to drive the cars and may not be as concerned about parts and service, but they may be concerned about how desirable the market in general considers these cars, and I really can't see that being enhanced, at least in the short term. But we have a whole thread devoted to that, and show a range of opinions about how all that might play out.

So why do you rejoice the passing of this icon so often?

Bruce

I've noticed this too- he's obsessed with the notion that the car will rise in value, which it may do slightly.

Who cares...as I've pointed out it'll be a shit investment over years when monetised - it's not a Porsche or Ferrari and won't be doubling like a few of my other and previous cars. Cars should be bought for fun not speculation and personally with the change in the market over the last 5 years if you can enjoy and not lose money that's amazing - to make money is a bonus. To expect to make...you're a sucker as all good things come to an end.

[swexlin]

I will be dead long before my car, or any Viper, *Might* be worth something, as I feel that will take 30-40 years.

My mother owned a 1971 Series 3 V12 Jag, which she bought new in Nov 1971, when I was 8. I was raised in that car (it was her daily driver for 10 years), and it's probably what got me started! However, that car's value went up and down over the course of the 35 years she owned it. When she sold, she got something decent, but not even near what the car cost over the years in repairs, insurance, gas, and all the normal costs of ownership. But she ENJOYED the car, which is what it is all about.

[ViperSRT]

Why are you so eager for the factory to close and production to end?

The reaction I see from media, enthusiast owners and non-owners is universally one of great disappointment, and represents to them the ending of an era that they hoped would never end. Friends of mine who preferred and purchased other pricey performance cars mourn the loss of a car that helped improve the breed everywhere.

For current Viper owners it causes additional concern over the availability of factory parts and support, dealer support and aftermarket parts development and support.

Prospective buyers will be concerned about on-going dwindling availability and rising cost of parts and service as well, and something they will naturally factor into a decision whether to even to purchase or not, and the price they're willing to pay. And that will impact the ease of owners selling their cars and the offers they'll get.

I just don't see an upside to this at all, even for those with limited, dealer and special editions. There will be collectors that don't plan to drive the cars and may not be as concerned about parts and service, but they may be concerned about how desirable the market in general considers these cars, and I really can't see that being enhanced, at least in the short term. But we have a whole thread devoted to that, and show a range of opinions about how all that might play out.

So why do you rejoice the passing of this icon so often?

Bruce

Well stated. I concur 100%.

[Policy Limits]

Never plan on selling. My window sticker says the " vehicle was specifically built for" me as does my dash plaque. So it has nothing to do with resale or value as incorrectly deduced. I'm just tired of reading the drama dating back to 2012 on the vca site in regards to this gen. I'm glad it's going out on top with the ACR though, most epic departure it could ask for.

[OneofOneViper]

Why are you so eager for the factory to close and production to end?

The reaction I see from media, enthusiast owners and non-owners is universally one of great disappointment, and represents to them the ending of an era that they hoped would never end. Friends of mine who preferred and purchased other pricey performance cars mourn the loss of a car that helped improve the breed everywhere.

For current Viper owners it causes additional concern over the availability of factory parts and support, dealer support and aftermarket parts development and support.

Prospective buyers will be concerned about on-going dwindling availability and rising cost of parts and service as well, and something they will naturally factor into a decision whether to even to purchase or not, and the price they're willing to pay. And that will impact the ease of owners selling their cars and the offers they'll get.

I just don't see an upside to this at all, even for those with limited, dealer and special editions. There will be collectors that don't plan to drive the cars and may not be as concerned about parts and service, but they may be concerned about how desirable the market in general considers these cars, and I really can't see that being enhanced, at least in the short term. But we have a whole thread devoted to that, and show a range of opinions about how all that might play out.

So why do you rejoice the passing of this icon so often?

Bruce

He just cracked 100 miles on his car after owning it for a couple months now. It's an investment for him not a toy. Warren Buffet has said several times that a correction always comes after euphoria. I wouldn't say we've hit a euphoria stage yet, but all hard assets like cars, jewlery, collectible coins etc will take a huge hit when a recession or correction does occur. My advice to Policy Limits is to sell before then because I think you'll be very disappointed if you hold on too long. If you don't sell, you have 2 options.

1. Hold onto it for another 5-10 years and hope it gets back to where it was before the correction or even higher.
2. Drive the car because you've come to the realization it's a car that means more to you than it anyone is going to pay you anyways

I always found one of my friend's analogies to be very true and perhaps it may sink in for someone else so here it is: "Why would you get engaged with a super model and not bang her because you couldn't make that commitment. Are you saving her purity for the next guy?"

[ViperSRT]

Never plan on selling. My window sticker says the " vehicle was specifically built for" me as does my dash plaque. So it has nothing to do with resale or value as incorrectly deduced. I'm just tired of reading the drama dating back to 2012 on the vca site in regards to this gen. I'm glad it's going out on top with the ACR though, most epic departure it could ask for.

If all that is true then why all the negative posts regarding the potential for failure? It is nonsensical to cry wolf when you are already an owner and cannot change the reality. All you do is diminish the products reputation that you state to be so dear to you. And the hope the factory closes soon is also crazy as Bruce so elequently stated.

[Policy Limits]

So eloquent......LOL...has it dawned on you that it's impossible to drive an ACR in snow in the dead of winter in the north east? And that's the problem with the drama surrounding this brand. So many are so concerned with what everyone else is doing. Tick tock ...

[Donato]

You better invest in some spare hood-hinges before the factory calls it quits. As many times as you flipped that hood open in the last 100 miles while at the fueling station they are going to wear out before you hit 200 miles.

[Patentlaw]

To all,

Regardless of whether someone wants the factory to close or not.....it is closing. Poking someone for their opinion is kind of like beating a dead horse now. There seem to be many people with positive and negative feelings on the website regarding the Gen V.

Plaw

[Policy Limits]

You better invest in some spare hood-hinges before the factory calls it quits. As many times as you flipped that hood open in the last 100 miles while at the fueling station they are going to wear out before you hit 200 miles.

Where's yours?

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To all,

Regardless of whether someone wants the factory to close or not.....it is closing. Poking someone for their opinion is kind of like beating a dead horse now. There seem to be many people with positive and negative feelings on the website regarding the Gen V.

Plaw

Amen counselor.

[Donato]

Ha!

[Bryan Savage]

Just to chime in here... I've got 24,000 miles on my '14 TA. Changed the oil myself each time. Got the R28/R29 recalls done because free parts, but as I suspected, they didn't show anything wrong.

I get a bit of oil consumption after a track session, but not bad at all otherwise. Just check the level as others here have mentioned.

It sucks that some owners are having problems, but I'm sure like most things, those wronged shout the loudest.

So I'm here to say that aside from me crashing it, the only problems I've had with the car are a small EVAP leak check engine light (that went away after a dealer ECU update) and a delayed door handle operation that the R-whatever recall fixed.

My car runs like a champ and always has.

Cheers!!

[Stealth78]

Never plan on selling. My window sticker says the " vehicle was specifically built for ________" as does my dash plaque. So it has nothing to do with resale or value as incorrectly deduced. I'm just tired of reading the drama dating back to 2012 on the vca site in regards to this gen. I'm glad it's going out on top with the ACR though, most epic departure it could ask for.

Lets play "Fill in the Blank"!

[Policy Limits]

Policy Limits of course!

[BlueAdder]

So rejoice...instead of spending a lot of time posting doom and gloom on this Gen V forum, you can buy one with confidence and post about its remarkable virtues and reliability!

It's more productive to drive the damn thing than complain about what ifs. When I ordered my ACR, I didn't make much research and I had no clue about the potential spun bearings.
When I took delivery of the car, the owner of the dealership (and the guy I made the deal with) told me to watch the oil level on the car and then I'd be good.

So, I'm heeding his advice and I check the oil just about every time I take the car out. I know it's totally superfluous and I should probably just check every fill up (then again, that beast is so thirsty that I might end up checking just as often) but a sanity check is always good to do.

My differential turned out to be bad and I had 700 miles on the car. Did that make me think that the car was a pile of crap? nope. just got a bad part and the warranty took car of that, no big deal.
Of course, I want a car that's perfect but that's just a silly dream.

One of the better memes:

[ACR Extreme]

Why are you so eager for the factory to close and production to end?

The reaction I see from media, enthusiast owners and non-owners is universally one of great disappointment, and represents to them the ending of an era that they hoped would never end. Friends of mine who preferred and purchased other pricey performance cars mourn the loss of a car that helped improve the breed everywhere.

For current Viper owners it causes additional concern over the availability of factory parts and support, dealer support and aftermarket parts development and support.

Prospective buyers will be concerned about on-going dwindling availability and rising cost of parts and service as well, and something they will naturally factor into a decision whether to even to purchase or not, and the price they're willing to pay. And that will impact the ease of owners selling their cars and the offers they'll get.

I just don't see an upside to this at all, even for those with limited, dealer and special editions. There will be collectors that don't plan to drive the cars and may not be as concerned about parts and service, but they may be concerned about how desirable the market in general considers these cars, and I really can't see that being enhanced, at least in the short term. But we have a whole thread devoted to that, and show a range of opinions about how all that might play out.

So why do you rejoice the passing of this icon so often?

Bruce

Good people losing their jobs suppliers etc for every one job in the auto industry five more are tied directly.

No one wants to see someone get hurt - but this place tends to dwell on the downside vs the upside of the ACR. How often do you hear a driving impression or track video vs engine failures.

Once they are all delivered with happy owners fingers crossed this place will have more positive than negative even the dealers get a hard time for no reason.

[Dan Cragin]

The wear on the crankshaft looks like you could feel it with a fingernail. Not Good

[ACR Extreme]

I've noticed this too- he's obsessed with the notion that the car will rise in value, which it may do slightly.

Who cares...as I've pointed out it'll be a shit investment over years when monetised - it's not a Porsche or Ferrari and won't be doubling like a few of my other and previous cars. Cars should be bought for fun not speculation and personally with the change in the market over the last 5 years if you can enjoy and not lose money that's amazing - to make money is a bonus. To expect to make...you're a sucker as all good things come to an end.

You said that about the Carrera GT and sold - I still have mine great car but you stated the market has peaked you will come back and buy when they drop ... but that didn't happen.

Said the same about when I bought the SV roadster now selling for 100k over.

Again with the 16M it's one of my favorite cars to drive - it's almost doubled you were going to buy one.

My ACR that I bought jus over invoice was offered 20k over so there's almost 30k - now you state they are a pos but that's not true.

You should really stop telling people they are a sucker and own a shit investment after all you sold all the cars that are still rising and you had your ACR for sale but before you took delivery bragged about tracking half the time ... but you couldn't get a good price love to hear your track times

Will give you this it's not a Ferrari or Porsche even though you tried to pick a Ferrari color and bragged about Ferrari like leather.

It's an American Icon and it does not get better than that - manual V10 hand build breaking track records.

[commandomatt]

[ACR Extreme]

Enjoy your popcorn.

This car buying experience and getting to know a lot of great Viper people from techs to racing engine builders after market you name it has been the most enjoyable experience even missing out on the Concierge due to ordering a special edition it's been incredibly cool!

Despite the Gen V engine threads people sharing their factory photos builds mods there is not another brand that offers this for twice the price.

Never dealt with Viper - dealer offers me #9 no money down and sends me a build sheet with invoice - that's just unheard of with any brand anywhere. I am not a seller it's too much brain damage to buy a car to let someone else enjoy. The Stage 2 ACR is going to be insanity

[commandomatt]

Enjoy your popcorn.

This car buying experience and getting to know a lot of great Viper people from techs to racing engine builders after market you name it has been the most enjoyable experience even missing out on the Concierge due to ordering a special edition it's been incredibly cool!

Despite the Gen V engine threads people sharing their factory photos builds mods there is not another brand that offers this for twice the price.

Oh, I am just waiting to see what LA Brit has to say in response after that beat down...........

I myself believe that these cars will hold their value quite well. As so often is the case.....things don't get appreciated and valued until they are no longer available. I will keep my 1 of 1 pics in a safe place as that will never happen again (with a Viper). Regardless what's down the road, that was one amazing experience

[ACR Extreme]

Oh, I am just waiting to see what LA Brit has to say in response...........

I myself agree that these cars will hold their value quite well. I will keep my 1 of 1 pics in a safe place as that experience will never happen again (with a Viper).

It doesn't happen with any brand at many times the price.

The Viper dealers posting sharing modifying it's unheard of and even more amazing they fight the factory to cover modified cars to receive factory warranty.

Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini when they stop laughing and catch their breath will kindly show you the door.

The fact it beats the 918 is just insane thanks to VE who convinced me to get one with am American Flag

Care very little what he says - post was to rude to let it go.

[slowhatch]

This has been the Gen V forum as of late;