2017 Gen V s Silence is golden

[BJG32]

They are in the business of building engines... it would be in their best interest if people thought their engines should be rebuilt. No one in the lucrative performance build market is going to say "hey we have opened a few engines and they needed work but I'm sure it's a rare occurrence"

When In doubt, follow the money. This applies to everything in life.

So right. and IF the rumors are untrue, we need these rumors to stop on VOA forums and Facebook pages. Scaring us and thus artificially decreasing Gen V values to line their pockets is WRONG!

[ViperSRT]

And from the pictures shown anyone who states that 100% will fail hasn't been around engines long. That is why I called it crying wolf.

[ACR Extreme]

Why did VE buy every Gen IV block that was available from the warehouse?

Nonsense.

I can tell you why they bought some - you are way off call VE and order a Gen IV with glass on top.

There are Gen IV's available as I said if the Gen V was a real problem would not be dumping 15k into it - simply moth balled it and modified a Gen IV.

You guys and these engine threads are something else - seriously!

[ACR Extreme]

So right. and IF the rumors are untrue, we need these rumors to stop on VOA forums and Facebook pages. Scaring us and thus artificially decreasing Gen V values to line their pockets is WRONG!

True.

Viper owners and this forum own worst enemy.

All one has to do is look how many new to Viper owners post here - it's minimal for a reason.

[jaxtk]

How this isn't fixed after 5 YEARS is beyond me...


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[ACRucrazy]

Nonsense.

I can tell you why they bought some - you are way off call VE and order a Gen IV with glass on top.

There are Gen IV's available as I said if the Gen V was a real problem would not be dumping 15k into it - simply moth balled it and modified a Gen IV.

You guys and these engine threads are something else - seriously!

What the hell are you talking about? I have only been sitting here watching V engine failure threads pop up for 4 years now.... I still remember the first one on the VCA..

[Policy Limits]

Pop, pop, pop just like south side of Chicago. ..

[John N]

Per Andy, the coffee tables are Gen III blocks and were not eligible for use in rebuilds or in-car use.

Carry on....

[darbgnik]

Brad... OUCH... LOL.. Now you are making me want to sell the G and get another Viper..haha. But you are right. The G is SLOW compared to the Viper. I would say my 06 G is comparable to a Gen 2 Viper. A LP 560 would be comparable to a Gen 3. The new Huracan is quick. It is an amazing car. And as far as only using the G to Starbucks? Well that's just crazy. Who the hell can afford Starbucks coffee? Im lucky if I get to hang out in the Tim Hortons parking lot...hahahaha

Hahaha, I considered how my comment would be taken by the few G owners on here. No disrespect, I did like the car, but it's just not up there in the performance realm. And I did track mine a bit(not just trips to the local coffee shop), and to be honest, the track is the only place the eGear really made sense.

And I test drove the Huracan just before I bought my Viper. It really is an amazing car. Very fast, and very nicely built, but it would still be all the cop magnet my G was, and then some. Could have gotten a great deal on ordering one too, as all my dealers allocations were used up, and could only get his hands on presold cars when they first came out. Coulda kept it for a year, sold it and at least broke even, oh well, hindsight.......

[Stealth78]

Nonsense.

I can tell you why they bought some - you are way off call VE and order a Gen IV with glass on top.

There are Gen IV's available as I said if the Gen V was a real problem would not be dumping 15k into it - simply moth balled it and modified a Gen IV.

You guys and these engine threads are something else - seriously!

I am not 100% on this but I am 99%. Didn't Mark J and Andy (yes I know two separate dealers) both advise that they have GenIV blocks to do builds with? I also believe one of them, possibly both said if they were going to do a build that is what they would start with. Now I'm going to go back and comb through threads trying to find this...

[ACRucrazy]

I am not 100% on this but I am 99%. Didn't Mark J and Andy (yes I know two separate dealers) both advise that they have GenIV blocks to do builds with? I also believe one of them, possibly both said if they were going to do a build that is what they would start with. Now I'm going to go back and comb through threads trying to find this...

No need to comb. You are correct.

[Mr. Hollywood]

They are in the business of building engines... it would be in their best interest if people thought their engines should be rebuilt. No one in the lucrative performance build market is going to say "hey we have opened a few engines and they needed work but I'm sure it's a rare occurrence"

When In doubt, follow the money. This applies to everything in life.

This.

[Bruce H.]

I have only been sitting here watching V engine failure threads pop up for 4 years now.... I still remember the first one on the VCA..

And this is why many active forum users have gotten such a distorted perception of the extent of failures. I see the same posters endlessly referencing the same failures and repeating the same dire warnings of impending engine failures.

The only way owners can satisfy themselves that their engine is healthy is to drive it, and the best way to avoid a costly repair is to do it while it's still under warranty. And "if" one day the engine lets go at least you'll feel you got a tremendous amount of enjoyment out of it, and hopefully won't begrudge the repair costs so much. And maybe you'll take the opportunity to build the engine you always really wanted!

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"...FDR

[BJG32]

And this is why many active forum users have gotten such a distorted perception of the extent of failures. I see the same posters endlessly referencing the same failures and repeating the same dire warnings of impending engine failures.

The only way owners can satisfy themselves that their engine is healthy is to drive it, and the best way to avoid a costly repair is to do it while it's still under warranty. And "if" one day the engine lets go at least you'll feel you got a tremendous amount of enjoyment out of it, and hopefully won't begrudge the repair costs so much. And maybe you'll take the opportunity to build the engine you always really wanted!

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"...FDR

Good advice. Im checking out on this.....again. im already prepped for worst case.

[ACR Extreme]

I am not 100% on this but I am 99%. Didn't Mark J and Andy (yes I know two separate dealers) both advise that they have GenIV blocks to do builds with? I also believe one of them, possibly both said if they were going to do a build that is what they would start with. Now I'm going to go back and comb through threads trying to find this...

You really need to understand their reasoning for choosing Gen 4 vs Gen 5.

When I say their reasoning - that goes for customer and shop based on many different thought processes.

For me the Gen V was the way to go.

I spoke with a lot of people and don't want to say one is right nor one is wrong.

[Snorman]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...
It's comical.
And vendors telling everybody that there is a 97% chance their engines are in the process of failing. It's disingenuous, and they know it.
It seems with every platform, there is a degree of fear-mongering. It's block castings and bearing in Gen V Vipers. It's superchargers in Hellcats. It's A8 transmissions, or torque converters or cooling in C7 Corvettes. Years ago, it was "the tick" in '03/'04 Cobras, or piston slap in LSx's GM engines. People will always find something to worry or complain about.
S.

[Alpha acr]

Why not just drope a gen IV block with gen V heads and cam in the 2013-2017 vipers and there you have it, a reliable engine on a gen v car !

[ACRucrazy]

Why not just drope a gen IV block with gen V heads and cam in the 2013-2017 vipers and there you have it, a reliable engine on a gen v car !

That is what WH and VE have been doing.

[ViperJon]

Why not just drope a gen IV block with gen V heads and cam in the 2013-2017 vipers and there you have it, a reliable engine on a gen v car !

That is what WH and VE have been doing.

But doesn't that speak volumes about the Gen V block we all have?

[Policy Limits]

How many 2016 cars have failed? I think it's too soon on the 17's. I recall not seeing many 15's with issues. However there were lots of 13's & 14's. Do you think that mitigating mechanisms were put into place (cleaning station at plant, lessons learned from engine contamination & oil consumption recalls) or do you think same supplier of the same part so it's still a crap shoot?

[ACR Extreme]

That is what WH and VE have been doing.

If someone wants to keep NOS parts because they can is IMO the ONLY reason to go Gen IV.

One Gen V failure on 70 - 80 Stage 2 builds ... yet to confirm why that happened.

For a few bucks anyone can swap - which means that the Gen V engine is valuable.

Think about that ... for a few nickels if the Gen V engine was worthless why would they offer a core exchange.

Many guys here went stage 2 turbo etc - none did an engine swap!

C'mon guys this place is better than a fairy tale.

[swexlin]

That's the frustrating thing, Policy. We just don't know.

[Policy Limits]

I tend to think there's some refinement and de-bugging with 1/2 decade of model year production as this transcends manufacturer identity. However, that gets balanced against same parts from same supplier. I guess you just do proper maintenance, cross your fingers & say your prayers. Welcome to Viper ownership. Haha.

[ACR Extreme]

Hahaha, I considered how my comment would be taken by the few G owners on here. No disrespect, I did like the car, but it's just not up there in the performance realm. And I did track mine a bit(not just trips to the local coffee shop), and to be honest, the track is the only place the eGear really made sense.

And I test drove the Huracan just before I bought my Viper. It really is an amazing car. Very fast, and very nicely built, but it would still be all the cop magnet my G was, and then some. Could have gotten a great deal on ordering one too, as all my dealers allocations were used up, and could only get his hands on presold cars when they first came out. Coulda kept it for a year, sold it and at least broke even, oh well, hindsight.......

I have an Aventador SV roadster - no idea about the G but the Hurcan is an excellent car. Went to the preview for the new Huracan it's aero is amazing. It set the new record many seconds faster than the 918.

Lamborghini's only downside as you stated is the attention it receives - worst part of ownership. Only imagine the disappointment when I stop out of the car.

[Policy Limits]

Wait until u see the attention the ACR gets. The only car I've ever owned that gets the same amount of attention is the Lamborghini. Pictured and filmed everywhere. And stop for fuel at a gas station? You'll be chatting forever. It gets a lot of attention but that's OK.