2017 Gen V s Silence is golden

[Angleiron]

So...

Those of you who have your 2017 cars...are you experiencing any oil use issues or has there been any engine issues (failures)? Anyone have their car modded, and when the engine work was being done any issues were found (i.e bearing wear, etc.)?

[Martin2000GTS]

Calvo in Texas says he already had 2 2017's with bad bearings. one with 120 miles and one with just over 900 miles. Ehh.

[serpent]

Lol, Dodge quality.

I still want a Gen V but would not touch any other dodge.

[sadil]

Still have to do my oil sample. Barely any miles on it so far.

[swexlin]

Lol, Dodge quality.

I still want a Gen V but would not touch any other dodge.

For perspective, I have owned many Dodge products over the years (including an SRT8 Charger, 2003 Viper, Dart, Neon and now on my 4th Ram). My current Ram I've had 1 year on Monday, and almost 13,000 miles (more than my Viper), and not ONE single issue. Not one, no rattles, no nothing. Drive and looks perfect.

My 2004 Ram Cummins left me stranded twice - once for a CP3 failure, and once for a shredded belt (2 months after I bought the truck new). Other than that, all the other vehicles have been very reliable.

Out of all the Mopars I've owned over the last 20 years, my current Gen 5 has had the most recalls, repairs, and the poorest general build quality. There I said it - flame suit on.

[BJG32]

How this isn't fixed after 5 YEARS is beyond me...


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[swexlin]

That doesn't look good. Question for those who know more than me (which is everyone.....!) Could that be just "normal" wear for these cars, and doesn't necessarily mean it can or will fail? Or is that wishful thinking?

[BJG32]

No. Cars with 300k miles have better looking bearings than this.

It's funny to see the people that have been in denial go through the panic stage now on facebook. Same guys fighting us on the issue saying we are wearing tin foil hats blah blah blah.

I accepted a rebuild A LONG time ago. $10k just set aside to piss away on something I shouldn't have to do.

[swexlin]

Thanks Ben. Appreciate the honesty. I guess it's like someone with heart disease - it's really not a matter of if, but when. Depending on mileage and usage. Ugh.

[BJG32]

If Antonio is not exaggerating (I don't think he is) 97% of Gen 5 Vipers have this issue..... It's 2017 and the engines STILL suck. So warranty is not good enough at this point ....... a new engine is not a permanent fix. I am not sure what Calvo's Gen 5 sample size is but it appears almost all engines regardless of year are destined to fail.

If my engine goes and warranty does cover it, I'd demand a rebuild at arrow and not another engine. It's cheaper and safer win/win for FCA and Me.

Unfortunately I don't know where my PCM puts me on the warranty issue.

[bluesrt]

I don't get how boudrant vipers don't have a problem. strange stuff at the least

[BJG32]

I don't get how boudrant vipers don't have a problem. strange stuff at the least

They got the good 3% of cars.


For me it really says a lot about how much I like the car. Any other car I would of cut my loses and ditched months ago. I pretty much know this one is going to fail and I still don't have the urge to sell. BUT it definitly helps that I bought it brand new $30k below MSRP... I feel like I have some room to play with in a worst case scenario.

[bluesrt]

bigtime, when it goes,if it does/ time for the nasty arrow heads n cam!

[BJG32]

bigtime, when it goes,if it does/ time for the nasty arrow heads n cam!

That's the plan actually! Just clean it up and pop the popcorn on this issue...

[socal]

If someone was going to have a tuner like Calvo freshen the bottom end anyway, could they just have a dealer do the disassembly and then work out a deal with Dodge to get something if the bearings turned out to be prematurely worn? Or do you need a complete failure to have a claim?

[GTS21]

A bit off topic, but for us folks waiting to receive 2017s, is there a way to extend the warranty at initial purchase so we have a couple extra years of piece of mind?

[Bruce H.]

Have any track rats had engine failures? Curious because I'm not aware of any. Only heard of one guy at the track who didn't have any oil in his engine.

[ACRucrazy]

Have any track rats had engine failures? Curious because I'm not aware of any. Only heard of one guy at the track who didn't have any oil in his engine.

Ralph... at Viper Rendezvous in 2015.

[Bruce H.]

Ralph... at Viper Rendezvous in 2015.

Ah yes, I did hear about that one.

[BJG32]

A bit off topic, but for us folks waiting to receive 2017s, is there a way to extend the warranty at initial purchase so we have a couple extra years of piece of mind?

Yes sir. you can extend your warranty up to one year past your purchase date. Contact member ClayR for the best deal. Zellner motors is a sponsor. Link on the sponsors page.

[BJG32]

If someone was going to have a tuner like Calvo freshen the bottom end anyway, could they just have a dealer do the disassembly and then work out a deal with Dodge to get something if the bearings turned out to be prematurely worn? Or do you need a complete failure to have a claim?

I think once he opens it you just pay him to clean it up at that point. He's doing work that will void your warranty anyway.... If you try and work a deal with dodge 100% chance your car sits idle in his shop for months while it gets worked out. He's not going to want it taking up space.

I don't think you have a chance of getting dodge to do anything with non FCA shop....well...maybe arrow.

[dethred]

If Antonio is not exaggerating (I don't think he is) 97% of Gen 5 Vipers have this issue..... It's 2017 and the engines STILL suck. So warranty is not good enough at this point ....... a new engine is not a permanent fix. I am not sure what Calvo's Gen 5 sample size is but it appears almost all engines regardless of year are destined to fail.

If my engine goes and warranty does cover it, I'd demand a rebuild at arrow and not another engine. It's cheaper and safer win/win for FCA and Me.

Unfortunately I don't know where my PCM puts me on the warranty issue.

Is exaggerating, or at least tossing out an estimate, unless he's torn down at least 100 Gen 5 motors. Can't get 97% (prime number) without a sample size of at least 100. ;-)

[swexlin]

If he's done 30, and 29 were bad, that's 96.66%, so rounded to 97.

[dethred]

If Antonio is not exaggerating (I don't think he is) 97% of Gen 5 Vipers have this issue..... It's 2017 and the engines STILL suck. So warranty is not good enough at this point ....... a new engine is not a permanent fix. I am not sure what Calvo's Gen 5 sample size is but it appears almost all engines regardless of year are destined to fail.

If my engine goes and warranty does cover it, I'd demand a rebuild at arrow and not another engine. It's cheaper and safer win/win for FCA and Me.

Unfortunately I don't know where my PCM puts me on the warranty issue.

If he's done 30, and 29 were bad, that's 96.66%, so rounded to 97.

So "around 97%" would be more accurate? I am being picky, but I am always skeptical of absolutes, especially with such claims. Not doubting him that the percentage is around that number, or in the 90% range, but specifics and generalities matter.

[SRT_BluByU]

To me those look like new bearing with low miles wearing in.... I'm not an expert. A quick google search for worn engine bearings show stuff that looked far worse and other makes under the search new engine bearing wear turned up pix similar to these.. would love to hear SRTs comments. Alas no more engineering chat session.. major bummmer