Need assistance valuing a Gen V

[SIK67SS]

Just trying to maximize the car per my budget. I don't plan on getting this car (or whatever I get) to collect it..i have those, I plan on getting one to drive it right now. At 62+ asking and being a branded title, it's not worth it to me. If this doesn't pan out then I look at some of the other Gen Vs on the market at barely higher prices or go back to looking at 996/7tt's that have clear titles. Heck, there's a Rossion Q1 that peaks my interest too. My first post was vague because as I said, I've almost pulled the trigger on a couple cars and had them sell out from under me

[Vipes]

The problem I see for those of you who say it's priced fair is the title is branded Lemon. I can find non lemon Vipers for between 2-5k more. Generally Lemon cars (regardless of reason) are roughly 20-25% under normal market value. NADA shows low end for a 14 gts to be $61k, I would assume that means that was a lemon but can only speculate

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

[BJG32]

The red Viper for sale on facebook listed for around $67,000 with clean title just sold not too long ago. Can't remember the exact specs or year but as the OP stated clean titles can be found for low 70s so for a branded title I would agree it needs to be a lot lower.

It was a base '13 with 12k miles no stripes and red. Not a GTS. $68K seems like a great deal for this GTS. Not sure how a title gets branded for paint on the hood only. My engine blew up and my title isn't branded.

[camarochevy1970]

If the owner got fca to buy it back because of bad paint on the hood the title gets branded as a buy back.

[ViperJon]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

[SIK67SS]

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

[SIK67SS]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

there's always more to every story. My best guess is that it was a bad composite. Another post in here mentioned the paint was blistering. Could have been a bad spray (although that's fixable), but if it were the composite hood itself, that's not without replacing the hood (which is what has been done)

[dadeuce]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

Just to clarify, the 13 for 71 is an SRT, not a GTS. Unless I am looking at the wrong one. It is a track pack car, which is good.

[OneofOneViper]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

All these prices I would say are very accurate and on-point for a low side price on a viper. If you don't think 68.5 is a good enough deal to have a branded license, then I suggest ponying up the extra cash to get one that has a clean title because I don't see you getting a better deal than that.

[BRACR]

Talk to Bill Pemberton......he will provide the most help since he obviously knows Viper prices.

[7TH_SIGN]

How can paint on a hood be so unfixable in multiple attempts they have to buy it back? More to that story.

The paint on my hood blistered as well. Also on the hinge cover panels. Prefix sent me the hinge cover panels which I replaced myself. For the hood, Prefix drove all the way from Michigan to Virginia and replaced the hood in my driveway.

Prefix blamed the paint issues on the supplier FCA choose to manufacture the body components, stating they were poor quality.



To the OP, I personally wouldn't purchase a lemon car or buy back.

[darbgnik]

Where do you find a clean title GTS 14' for 70k? Most are 80k+. I've seen fire sales for 70k for a base model 14' but rarely. But if you think the same car with a clean title is only worth low 70s then yeah, the buyback is only worth high 50's.

While I agree I theory, it seems as though reality is different. They say there is an ass for every seat, and some asses seem to think a 5K discount is enough to get into a Gen V. As long as these cars that are being marketed 5K below market eventually sell, there seems to be no reason for the sellers to market them 15K below the going rate. Seems a guy has to go dealer auction hunting to get that much off.

No matter how many people say they would never buy a lemon titled car, all it takes is that one guy, apparently.

[Donato]

Unless you plan on paying cash, I think financing on cars with branded titles is a bit more challenging.

[Leslie]

Call Woodhouse. Ask for Bill.
I only buy from people I know are considered the best in Viper sales.

[mnc2886]

The paint on my hood blistered as well. Also on the hinge cover panels. Prefix sent me the hinge cover panels which I replaced myself. For the hood, Prefix drove all the way from Michigan to Virginia and replaced the hood in my driveway.

Prefix blamed the paint issues on the supplier FCA choose to manufacture the body components, stating they were poor quality.



To the OP, I personally wouldn't purchase a lemon car or buy back.

That's not exactly wonderful to read....

I felt the build quality was very good, especially for its price range.

[Kouasupra]

I'm also in the market as well, and offer $65k for this car. They said "no" to my offer. I wasn't going to spend close to $70k for a lemon car. My brother in law drove 15 minutes to this dealership and obtain more photos for me. According to him there's a bit of a rust under the car and it's left outside on their lot. I was a bit disappointed.

[Bill Pemberton]

Be happy to sell you guys one of the two high quality , no story cars we have in stock ( one owners). Sure a bit more, but then not vehicles with concerns -- and Woodhouse Motorsports has already gone over both of the cars, all updates done and ready to rock and roll.

Best number , always, is my cell -- 402-677-5864

[Vipes]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

Gotcha, I didn't realize there were deals that good out there!

[braunstein82]

I think a 14 gts lemon with $140k msrp, stripes, srt hood, HK, upgraded leather, alcantara and 6500 miles is worth $75k. Especially if the buyback for for some radio electric thing. ��

[ViperSmith]

You can get no story cars for decent prices. Mine is not listed but I am looking to sell my 15 SRT for 71k, there are a few other SRTs in the 70's range.

Avoid a branded title like that if you can. Vipers are hard enough to sell in perfect condition.

They are tempting to buy - but not enough of a discount

[Bill Pemberton]

My apologies to those of you that called , as the pictures of the Red GTS with the Track Package , were not up. They are now ( www.woodhouse.com , click Dodge then Viper ) and I am out of the office so call my cell for any other questions. The straps on the seat are part of the harness belts ( shoulder straps are behind each seat ) , though the car never was tracked due to a health issue. One owner, and the right stuff on a GTS with said track package.

402-677-5864 cell . If you text me , please leave me your name , or I can be emailed at billpemberton@woodhouse.com --have access to that almost all the time.

[ViperSmith]

My apologies to those of you that called , as the pictures of the Red GTS with the Track Package , were not up. They are now ( www.woodhouse.com , click Dodge then Viper ) and I am out of the office so call my cell for any other questions. The straps on the seat are part of the harness belts ( shoulder straps are behind each seat ) , though the car never was tracked due to a health issue. One owner, and the right stuff on a GTS with said track package.

402-677-5864 cell . If you text me , please leave me your name , or I can be emailed at billpemberton@woodhouse.com --have access to that almost all the time.

Great price on that car bill!

[Terminator02]

The problem I see for those of you who say it's priced fair is the title is branded Lemon. I can find non lemon Vipers for between 2-5k more. Generally Lemon cars (regardless of reason) are roughly 20-25% under normal market value. NADA shows low end for a 14 gts to be $61k, I would assume that means that was a lemon but can only speculate

You can't go off just nada. Too many variables. GTS rarely would ever go for 61 branded or not. You keep only responding to people that don't agree with a value you already have given it but you made a post asking about value! You quoted someone who asked where you can get clean GTS cars and then quote an srt and two GT cars! If you think you should get a buy back GTS for 20-25% of 61k that's ridiculous. Many viper buy backs are harmless and while it may be a lower resale, it's a lower entry too. Many people, at a low enough price will buy the buy back in a second because they will track the car or keep it forever and aren't thinking about resale. Under 60k and you can bet that car will be bought from under you....probably from people reading this thread.

[Dman]

theres a 15 GT in california for 72.9
a 15 GT at Roanoke for 74.9
classifieds here has a 13 GTS for 71 and a 15 SRT for 76.5

Just a quick search. They're out there. Hence no way this should sell for close to 70 IMO. I'm not trying to de-value anybody elses cars here. Paint/Hood problem or not, the title will always be branded as a Lemon. Thus, IMO it should go for a steal- which it doesn't sound like the dealer is willing to let it go for. Which brings me back to my original post- a Lemon titled Gen V value- it can't be 68.5 so I was reaching out to some of the experts here on what the value of this car should be.

I'm a 18 year viper guy and I've always managed to find or fall into awesome deals on vipers. They're out there. You've found 3-4 already. All of those are total steals. You posted that at $62 it's not worth it to you and another poster said he offered $62 and they said no, so this car is out of your target price range. The only viper I've seen under $62k was one that was totaled, and that was just barely. The thing with vipers is, you find 3 that are steals but there are also plenty used vipers that are asking MSRP. You have to look at the range, IMO there is no range below $68ish, and those are going to be branded cars, or guys highly motivated to sell quickly, or base cars, SRTs, that priced some $40-50k less than fully loaded cars. To be as helpful as possible to you orig post, my opinion stands that the car is worth about $65k, they won't go $62, so there's your range, $62-65k for that car, so it's not what you're looking for. Those other clear title cars are amazing deals with solid owners who are known, like I said before the price difference isn't much but can certainly make it a no go for someone, but IMO, these are as good/low as it gets, and we're mid winter when viper sellers are highest motivated, spring will only push prices up and as we run out of new stock, I believe prices will tick up further again, and I'm seriously conservative on viper pricing, FWIW.

[commandomatt]

I cant wait for the day that the Viper line is shut down, the cars available for sale are far fewer and these constant threads about low balling will end.

At that point there will probably be plenty of prospective buyers that will kick themselves for not having pulled the trigger instead of having countless arguments about what something is worth

I supposed there will always be an opportunity to drag the bottom for a Vette when we get to that point