Did FCA go overboard with Special Editions this year

[BlknBlu]

Those last 25 will be built while there is a total party going on down the line. Dont be surprised to find empty beer bottles, notes and signatures where you would least expect them. Of course, they will also receive the last of the last parts and if they do run out of something, you may see some stuff from a Caravan in there

Cool, maybe I can get one with a GEN IV motor.....lol

Bruce

[Stealth78]

Cool, maybe I can get one with a GEN IV motor.....lol

Bruce

Now that's funny right there! Haha

[Track Pack]

I wonder if all of their 55 GTS-Rs are sold? I was surprised that for 2017, Dodge didn't replicate the blue interior accents as the '98 and '06 models had...?

[ACRucrazy]

"Special editions SOLD OUT in mere minutes!!!"


















to dealers

[ACRSNK]

I pretty much agree, but then VE has been into racing some time now, worked with Dodge / SRT on projects, and has the Force 1 Supercar. There's a gap, but is it big enough for a ton of sarcasm about it, even I don't think so.

VE is not in the same league as Saleen or Roush. Not even close. Don't care that they also race, the pedigree is just not there.

[ACRucrazy]

Can you please tell me why you and others here are so obsessed or bothered by a dealer buying a car.

You realize that's what they do for a living - right?

Can't figure out why there are so many posts that just pound dealers who are active and all seem to be very good guys and gals and from what I have seen so far they offer them at MSRP - try buying a GT350R at MSRP it's 30 50k over or better yet a new Ferrari Lamborghini Porsche that are Special Edition.

I ordered my first Viper no deposit no money down and still have not given VE a dime and yet they ordered and are taking delivery.

What am I missing this has been the easiest most fun car ever bought.

Not bothered. I am glad you are happy with MSRP.
Enjoy your ACR!

[Camfab]

The difference between VE, Saleen and Roush is...well...HUGE!!! Aside from the racing pedigree Saleen actually engineered and built their own car (S7). They also worked directly with Ford on a lot of projects like the Ford GT. Saleen and Roush are not just "dealers". They are a whole lot more than that and there isn't enough room in this thread for me to tell you why, but Google can if you are interested.

Your right about Saleen and Roush being long time companies with some serious credentials, but really who gives a damn? Personally, if I had the cash to buy a new ACR-E, it would be a VE/ARROW package. Not a Johnny come lately player, no matter how big they might be in the Ford world. Arrow has more pedigree as you so eloquently described in the Viper world than anyone else, a close second would be Ilmore. If history means anything, and clearly it hasn't mattered much (yet) in the Viper world, but the dealer editions from back in the day turned out to be a big deal. The Yenko cars are just one of many examples...

Again, if I ever have the means to buy a Gen V, the only car I would consider would be an ACR-E, like any other Gen, if it's not an ACR I have zero interest. Along with that it would have to have the VE/Arrow package, preferably from birth. That's where my money would land. It's the Yenko of the future.

[ACRSNK]

Your right about Saleen and Roush being long time companies with some serious credentials, but really who gives a damn? Personally, if I had the cash to buy a new ACR-E, it would be a VE/ARROW package. Not a Johnny come lately player, no matter how big they might be in the Ford world. Arrow has more pedigree as you so eloquently described in the Viper world than anyone else, a close second would be Ilmore. If history means anything, and clearly it hasn't mattered much (yet) in the Viper world, but the dealer editions from back in the day turned out to be a big deal. The Yenko cars are just one of many examples...

Again, if I ever have the means to buy a Gen V, the only car I would consider would be an ACR-E, like any other Gen, if it's not an ACR I have zero interest. Along with that it would have to have the VE/Arrow package, preferably from birth. That's where my money would land. It's the Yenko of the future.

Who realy gives a damn about Saleen or Roush? Lol...Not even going to entertain this as you clearly have very limited knowledge of both companies and their contributions to cars and racing. What you choose to do with your money is purely and subjectively your choice and no one cares. Who is "Johnny come lately player" never heard of them. While Arrow is a fantastic company and I would be first in line if they offered an "Arrow Edition" that came right from the factory as a special edition car with full warranty with their heads and cam package, they are not a Saleen or Roush, and it is not a Ford vs. Dodge thing as those companies also work on products other than Ford. It's everything about the company and the years of racing technology behind them.

The ACR is most certainly not the "Yenko" of the future either. I really wish that people would brush up on their car facts before drawing comparisons that just don't make sense. The Yenko, Baldwin Motion and Berger edition cars were all cars that were heavily modified by the dealers that sold them. They were nothing like what you are seeing in these "special" edition cars that we are seeing today. They focused on power and performance more than the paint and stickers to make their cars special and history has determined that they were in fact "special" as one can see from the premium they command at any auction.

[ACRSNK]

If there was a dealer edition from VE by itself as you stated would have made it a like Yenko edition - been saying the same thing you posted.

Only if power and performance were boosted significantly and they offered them in limited quantities, then it would have been more in keeping with the recipe for a "Yenko" like car.

[Policy Limits]

Took mine to the gas station and was overwhelmed with people taking pictures, videos and asking questions. One girl said "sir, I know absolutely nothing about cars but I know that's special."

[Track Pack]

Great post Policy, I'm sure those comments will always remain based on that iconic red, white and blue..

[BlknBlu]

I am not happy unless I am miserable and complaining.

Bruce

[ViperJon]

Great post Policy, I'm sure those comments will always remain based on that iconic red, white and blue..

You might want to look up what the word "iconic" means.

[texasram]

Much to small of a market to invest the millions it would have taken to do power additions so that was never going to happen. any small changes would still have to been run through all the R&D systems which would all cost millions just for a few special editions.

The knn cai from chrysler on the first gen acr wasnt a huge investment, and we all know that can boost 13 horses on ours

[texasram]

Took mine to the gas station and was overwhelmed with people taking pictures, videos and asking questions. One girl said "sir, I know absolutely nothing about cars but I know that's special."

Where are you located, houston is crazy saturated all i get at the pump is "can we trade"........ mabey because i dont have an acr lol

[Coloviper]

Let's come to reality, what can be done in 2017 is far less than what can get done from back in 1969 from a post factory, dealer modification. You can not motor swap and meet EPA emissions, etc. I have owned numerous Saleens since 1987 and still own two today. Saleen of today is NOT Saleen the small vehicle Federally recognized manufacturer from the past. Roush never was and has always been just a tuner despite a close relationship with Ford.

Saleen today is just a tuner. Why? Because in all the bankruptcies and ownership changes prior to 2009, it bounced around until it ended up with ASC in Michigan when Shields and others were the execs at Saleen. Where are those execs and who owns the Saleen Federally recognized small vehicle manufacturer status? It is in fact Arrow which really is all Prefix at the top!!!! Steve does not own it anymore. He owns the Saleen name but not that prior company status.

The closest we are going to get to a unique dealer modified hot rod Are the Arrow/Prefix packages and VE developed options. The phased packages, suspension packages, brake packages and other, are the ticket but very disappointed that Dodge (FCA) blew the candles out on that cake with their warranty denial BS as well as piss poor motor component issues resulting in failure.

Sorry but the VE and others Arrow/Prefix packages are the closest we will get to the Yenko, Baldwin type of car in this day and age. Not a motor swap but closest we can do. Where these dealers went wrong is not getting together and creating a numbered serially numbered car for mods and registry database for cars done and offered by the dealers. Wasted opportunity! Saleen is not recognized, not numbered by Ford. Saleen has its own numbered in top. Again Saleen and Shelby are different there as well. Shelby number was recognized by Ford. Vintage dealer mod cars are recognized by the manufacturer in the past in the VIN. Not so today.

Paperwork will be the key. If it met emissions and FCA was not screwing on the warranty and the packages were serially tracked by a second number and in a published database, the dealer mods would be the ticket and load them them. They would be worth it. As they are now, they are just mofified cars. Paperwork proving it was done at dealer is best to add a few more dollars to the car on resale but it could have been so much better.

Ralph Gilles wants to do and offer what I described with options like Venzano interiors, etc. but dipshit Sergio and especially the useless tool Tim blew that all away. Ralph knew what was right to do. It could have been so much better guys. Another opportunity blown for all.

[Policy Limits]

You might want to look up what the word "iconic" means.

And then replace it with "epic"

[Camfab]

Only if power and performance were boosted significantly and they offered them in limited quantities, then it would have been more in keeping with the recipe for a "Yenko" like car.

First off forgive me for derailing this thread, as this really belongs as a complete discussion in and of itself. Your assumption of my lack of knowledge is pretty presumptuous. When I stated who gives a damn about Roush or Saleen, it's because I personally believe they don't hold a candle in terms of relevance to the Viper as a consumer good for street use. To say that the VE/ Arrow package is not significant in terms of performance is ridiculous. Let's take a look at what we have here. Again this is relevance to the Viper. In 2011 when Viper production was dead, who was the key player in getting the car to the Ring to break the production car record, which held for many years? When the Gen V came out and everyone was complainting that there were no performance options, who in concert with Arrow bankrolled the development of a cylinder head and cam and tuning package for the Viper nation. Let's talk about Arrow, who works at Arrow racing? Gee, hmmmm., let's see Lee Carducci and Dick Winkles, the two fathers of the V-10, think Zora Arkus Duntov times two. Between those two you've got more brain trust with regards to the design, development of the V-10 than any other entity in the world. How silly of me to compare that package to a Yenko, which in all honesty can't hold a candle to what we have here. Viper Exchange also jumped in when the factory quit road racing and held the torch high for the Viper nation. But hey that's life, people have the golden egg in front of them but they just can't see it.
Will the V/E cars ever be money machines like a Yenko, who knows, but to not realize what we have in front of us and to somehow denigrate it as not being good enough because it's not backed by a household name is foolish. The V/E package isn't a tuner package, it's as close to a back door factory effort as you'll ever get. Long live these guys who've done it all for the Viper, not just for money, but for the passion.

[Purple Haze]

Funny...! But if I find a can of Bud in my trunk it's going on my wall as a true collectible!!! I wonder if I could bribe them to make my build in the last 25!!! Or call it a 2018!!!

Those last 25 will be built while there is a total party going on down the line. Dont be surprised to find empty beer bottles, notes and signatures where you would least expect them. Of course, they will also receive the last of the last parts and if they do run out of something, you may see some stuff from a Caravan in there

[Policy Limits]

D'ann will probably get the last one. Owns the largest snake collection in the world and ordered each of the SE's, from what I understand, so they should have some signifigance in automotive history I suspect

[Murpowa]

D'ann will probably get the last one. Owns the largest snake collection in the world and ordered each of the SE's, from what I understand, so they should have some signifigance in automotive history I suspect

What does that couple do to afford such a prestigious lifestyle?

[ViperGeorge]

What does that couple do to afford such a prestigious lifestyle?

They are retired. Wayne sold his oil field service business some years ago at the top of the market. Two of the nicest people you will ever meet. On road trips we take with them Wayne will be out washing his car just like the rest of us. Absolutely no pretense just real down to Earth good people.

[ViperSmith]

What does that couple do to afford such a prestigious lifestyle?

Invented the pet rock

[ACRSNK]

Invented the pet rock

Hahahahaha

[Boosted Motorsports]

The main thing I am curious is if there was (or is) a Gen V that would be a truly "special edition" and end up being worth more than the others. Similar to the Hurst Edition Gen 4 that sold for crazy money last year. As others have stated it would be awesome to have a VE/Arrow numbered car. I think in terms of "Viper Performance" these would be the two companies/dealer to deliver a numbered special edition car.

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...ERTIBLE-197215