Did FCA go overboard with Special Editions this year

[Policy Limits]

The paint Sucks!!!!

[SharpMan]

For the most part I agree with you.

I think everyone has lost sight of the fact the Viper is an incredibly rare car and the TA, TA2.0, ACR and ACR-E are already incredible variations on it.

I find it interesting that there were a number of 1 of 1 builds that preceded the special editions but in nearly identical colour combos (GTS-R, Black with red centre and driver stripe etc...).

And while I agree with others that more than just paint is necessary for ME to see future value I can appreciate that this program was already maxed out. I mean how were they going to extract more performance than the ACR-E without major investment?

Lastly, I can also appreciate that having a car you feel is special is fun and enjoyable. I'm looking froward to by ACR-E even though it's just Gunmetal grey but I can imagine that someone else will get a real kick out of opening their garage door and driving a limited edition.

Back when I was a kid, a buddy of mine put a big chrome Special Edition badge on the dash of his Dodge Neon in addition to some other flashy trim he found at Pep-Boys. I sat in the passenger seat and said; “Is it this really a Special Edition?”, his reply was “IT IS NOW!”, so I guess you can’t really argue about that.

Well anyway I don’t have a Viper yet, so my comments actually mean less than nothing on this Forum, but I’ve been looking for a few months now and I’ve reviewed many, many sales adds, seen a few locally, and I keep up with pretty much everything on this Forum. Now that I know a little more about Vipers, it seems in the history of Viper there were multiple Viper production “sprints” within each model year where there are special/rare/last edition X of X builds and it all just becomes meaningless and convoluted to a point of obscurity, to me at least. Now I know there are truly rare Vipers like the Nurburgring or even the Voodoo edition for example, but every time a seller pitches their car to me like they have this super rare 1 of only 3 built in this color with these options for this year and the other 2 were crashed and this is the only one in the world and that’s why I’m asking this premium… It becomes offensive at a point.

If you were to ask me, you can only hear and read so many stories about how every Viper built is a special/rare/last edition before you become jaded with the Viper brand so IDK if overdoing it this year was really a good thing for Viper down the road as far as collectibility, but again I really don’t know too much about it so take it with a grain of salt and I’m not buying a Viper for reasons of collectibility anyway…

[uberpube]

How did the dealers end up with special edition stock when the special editions were "sold orders only"?

[commandomatt]

These are Dodge Vipers

Always limited production numbers since day one. Unique, rare and somewhat of an outsider always trying to show the automotive world what a true hardcore, hand built sports car should be like

Mostly misunderstood

Anyone lucky enough to own one, whether it's a RT/10 from 92, a 17 ACRE or anything in between.......knows that these cars are ALL 'special'. They are awesome, they turn heads and they kick ass wherever they may show up

Enjoy your Viper

[bluesrt]

Fuxxin a tweetybird

[BRACR]

So Policy Limits.....you are not happy with the paint....I am confused as to how this relates to the thread ( no offense intended....just confused)

[Snakebit10]

LOL..I think he is being sarcastic.

[q8blueviper]

too many special editions makes them not that special ! just another viper with that another color !

[Policy Limits]

LOL..I think he is being sarcastic.

Ohhhh u so smart ....

[bluesrt]

last year for big motor with the max horsepower,who wants one! I do------ get your little v-6 turbo after these,lol---------------- back to 79

[Stealth78]

Much to small of a market to invest the millions it would have taken to do power additions so that was never going to happen. any small changes would still have to been run through all the R&D systems which would all cost millions just for a few special editions.

Do you think it really would have cost that much to possibly add some headers and a slightly free flowing exhaust? I have to agree with some of the others, I would have liked to see something a little more than a paint scheme to call them "Special Edition". I think even a 25HP bump would have been greatly appreciated by everyone to accompany the paint schemes.

[Boosted Motorsports]

All good points brought up so far!

Not sure the politics of it all but if FCA themselves couldn't invest R&D to make the car faster (ie more HP) couldn't they possibly have released a few variations similar to how Ford has the Roush Mustand or Saleen Mustang etc. Not to compare a Mustang to a Viper obviously but I just mean how they have an outside company release "special editions". Perhaps an Arrow Racing edition Viper? Just a thought!

[ACRSNK]

All good points brought up so far!

Not sure the politics of it all but if FCA themselves couldn't invest R&D to make the car faster (ie more HP) couldn't they possibly have released a few variations similar to how Ford has the Roush Mustand or Saleen Mustang etc. Not to compare a Mustang to a Viper obviously but I just mean how they have an outside company release "special editions". Perhaps an Arrow Racing edition Viper? Just a thought!

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[ACRSNK]

All good points brought up so far!

Not sure the politics of it all but if FCA themselves couldn't invest R&D to make the car faster (ie more HP) couldn't they possibly have released a few variations similar to how Ford has the Roush Mustand or Saleen Mustang etc. Not to compare a Mustang to a Viper obviously but I just mean how they have an outside company release "special editions". Perhaps an Arrow Racing edition Viper? Just a thought!

An "Arrow Edition" with 750H.P.!!! I don't care if its pink and has a unicorn airbrushed on the hood...Sign me up!

[ACRucrazy]

An "Arrow Edition" with 750H.P.!!! I don't care if its pink and has a unicorn airbrushed on the hood...Sign me up!

[bluesrt]

whoever did that should be written a big fine

[bluesrt]

What's the difference between having a dealer like VE versus Saleen Roush modifying the car.

Anyone who wants more hp can have it all you have to do is pay to play.

By working with a dealer you can do as little or as much as you want - it's far better to tweak a car for individual wants versus a branding package.

Speaking of playing they just arrived - time to go

dam! show me some voodoo,s

[ACRSNK]

But does it have 750 H.P.? Lol

[ACRSNK]

What's the difference between having a dealer like VE versus Saleen Roush modifying the car.

Anyone who wants more hp can have it all you have to do is pay to play.

By working with a dealer you can do as little or as much as you want - it's far better to tweak a car for individual wants versus a branding package.

Speaking of playing they just arrived - time to go

The difference between VE, Saleen and Roush is...well...HUGE!!! Aside from the racing pedigree Saleen actually engineered and built their own car (S7). They also worked directly with Ford on a lot of projects like the Ford GT. Saleen and Roush are not just "dealers". They are a whole lot more than that and there isn't enough room in this thread for me to tell you why, but Google can if you are interested.

[RedTanRT/10]

Do you think it really would have cost that much to possibly add some headers and a slightly free flowing exhaust? I have to agree with some of the others, I would have liked to see something a little more than a paint scheme to call them "Special Edition". I think even a 25HP bump would have been greatly appreciated by everyone to accompany the paint schemes.

FCA cost for headers and upgraded exhaust; $2000 per unit

FCA cost to design, configure, procure and re-certify the emissions and guarantee 10 year compliance for these additions, $100,000 per unit

[ViperDC]

but every time a seller pitches their car to me like they have this super rare 1 of only 3 built in this color with these options for this year and the other 2 were crashed and this is the only one in the world and that’s why I’m asking this premium… It becomes offensive at a point.

Lol this is very true of Viper sellers in my experience in the 5 I've purchased. "Well mine's 1 of 1 with light blue, tan interior, H spoke wheels and grey stripes!" as if anyone gives a shit

[Coloviper]

Let's be realistic on the subject, the first 25 of 1992 are the most desired and the last 25 of 2017 will be the most desired. In between are all neat. The special editions are neat and nice cars but without the history for the specific generation they are built. The commemorate past cars that had meaning for their time. The 98' GTSR cars were anniversary cars for winning LeMans. That has meaning, the new one is painted to try to represent the old which is what it is.

Now if Dodge would have set each of the 13 track records with cars painted uniquely for each track record and produced 13 of each type, representative of each track, then that would have meant something for the current generation.

[Dman]

The difference between VE, Saleen and Roush is...well...HUGE!!! Aside from the racing pedigree Saleen actually engineered and built their own car (S7). They also worked directly with Ford on a lot of projects like the Ford GT. Saleen and Roush are not just "dealers". They are a whole lot more than that and there isn't enough room in this thread for me to tell you why, but Google can if you are interested.

I pretty much agree, but then VE has been into racing some time now, worked with Dodge / SRT on projects, and has the Force 1 Supercar. There's a gap, but is it big enough for a ton of sarcasm about it, even I don't think so.

[SharpMan]

Not that I care but I wonder if mine will be in the last 25...not supposed to get it until April.

Let's be realistic on the subject, the first 25 of 1992 are the most desired and the last 25 of 2017 will be the most desired. In between are all neat. The special editions are neat and nice cars but without the history for the specific generation they are built. The commemorate past cars that had meaning for their time. The 98' GTSR cars were anniversary cars for winning LeMans. That has meaning, the new one is painted to try to represent the old which is what it is.

Now if Dodge would have set each of the 13 track records with cars painted uniquely for each track record and produced 13 of each type, representative of each track, then that would have meant something for the current generation.

[commandomatt]

Not that I care but I wonder if mine will be in the last 25...not supposed to get it until April.

Those last 25 will be built while there is a total party going on down the line. Dont be surprised to find empty beer bottles, notes and signatures where you would least expect them. Of course, they will also receive the last of the last parts and if they do run out of something, you may see some stuff from a Caravan in there