School me on heads cam setups

[Junkie]

I would like to eventually do Heads/cam on my wife's Gen2. Back when I had one, Stryker stuff was the ticket. Now I see a lot of people going to Gen3 heads and intake, I love that look! I am not interested in pulling her heads/intake and sending them off. I would like to buy everything beforehand, minimal downtime is nice. So If I could buy a finished off set of Gen3/4 top end stuff that would be nice.

Also is tuning and issue? I can get that done locally with SCT.

[ACRucrazy]

If I had a Gen 2 I'd be talking to arrow and doing the Gen IV heads and drag pak intake.

[Camfab]

If I had a Gen 2 I'd be talking to arrow and doing the Gen IV heads and drag pak intake.

I second that. I have the Striker heads and they are awesome but I'd do the Arrow upgrade and slap the Gen V intake on it. I hate used junk. Tuning can be tricky, especially with a larger cam. They tend to have a bucking issue that can be a pain in the butt. Regardless of what anyone might tell you, you need a great tuner to get drivability dialed in, even if another car had the same exact mods.

[dave6666]

What is the cost of the Arrow G4 package?

[The Stig]

Schools In ! Everyone pay attention. Arrow currently has two (2) mule Gen 2s out there. The drag pack upper intake is the best and simples way to go- its proven. but the DP intake does give up a little HP to the standard gen4 top. This can be made up with a ported Gen 4 lower. Also Arrow has the new thermostat housing soon to be released for the package. If you notice that the Gen 3 head upgrade package has been removed from the website- They still offer it behind the scenes. Buy the package is the best way to go as all the tiny little mods have been completed- push rod clearance on intake runner due to different port location- different length pushrods- head bolts on a Gen 4 are metric vs standard size on a gen 2/3 . this has been corrected also -Add a Greg Good Cam, some of MnM Gen2/Gen4 headers and a new fuel pump upgrade and $10,000 later u are having fun. My First conversion to Gen 3 now going to gen 4 with Mechanical TB and complete gen4 intake- Gen 5 intake does not lend itself to this conversion due to two different fuel systems sensors and configurations

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[dave6666]

Schools In ! Everyone pay attention. Arrow currently has two (2) mule Gen 2s out there. The drag pack upper intake is the best and simples way to go- its proven. but the DP intake does give up a little HP to the standard gen4 top. This can be made up with a ported Gen 4 lower. Also Arrow has the new thermostat housing soon to be released for the package. If you notice that the Gen 3 head upgrade package has been removed from the website- They still offer it behind the scenes. Buy the package is the best way to go as all the tiny little mods have been completed- push rod clearance on intake runner due to different port location- different length pushrods- head bolts on a Gen 4 are metric vs standard size on a gen 2/3 . this has been corrected also -Add a Greg Good Cam, some of MnM Gen2/Gen4 headers and a new fuel pump upgrade and $10,000 later u are having fun. My First conversion to Gen 3 now going to gen 4 with Mechanical TB and complete gen4 intake- Gen 5 intake does not lend itself to this conversion due to two different fuel systems sensors and configurations

So just to be clear. For $10K you get:

* Gen 4 heads

* GG cam

* MM headers

* New intake

* New fuel system

* Installation

* Tuning

Is that correct? Short of delivering the car to their shop, the turn key price for Arrow's Gen 2/4 head package is $10K? And of course whatever parts they remove are returned right? So depending on the resale value of those we're looking at $9K?

And WTF is up with the air filters pulling hot air from behind the radiator? That is really cheesy.

[Junkie]

Whp and TQ Stig?

[99RT10]

I have a set of Gen 3 heads modified to work on the Gen 2. Still need to be ported, polished:

http://driveviper.com/classifieds/en...for-gen-2.html

You will need to change out your headers, but other than that, straight swap. Most do a Gen 3 intake too. On a Gen 4, it is lots more entailed, but there is more power to be had.


I also have a ported Gen 4 intake. PM me Free shipping on the Gen 3 heads if you want them

[SARaptor]

I have no experience with G3+ on a G2, but with my ported G2 heads and a GG cam, my car made high 500's rwhp (575-590). It is a basic setup with belanger headers, corsa catback and jmb intake. Good luck on your search and doing G3+ heads would be a cool setup! As for tuning, I see you are north Texas, James Karger did my tuning on my car at Calvo and I couldnt be happier. Calvo is currently building me a 12.5:1 motor and James again will be doing the tuning. Give Antonio a call, I am sure he will shoot you straight.

[Junkie]

James is my friend that does the tuning, great guy!

[SARaptor]

James is my friend that does the tuning, great guy!

I agree, real cool guy and a very good tuner

[jasond29]

Yep I went the Gen 4 route with GG custom cam. It will make an easy 600rwhp going that route. I have pictures on here or my instagram lsx427turbo. I used the Arrow powersteering bracket but honestly I like the Viper Specialty bracket better. Easiest conversion in one kit is the Arrow kit like mentioned. I believe there was a guy on here selling the kit new in box for damn near half price. You have access to all the parts, just take them off your ACR..lol.

[Junkie]

Yep I went the Gen 4 route with GG custom cam. It will make an easy 600rwhp going that route. I have pictures on here or my instagram lsx427turbo. I used the Arrow powersteering bracket but honestly I like the Viper Specialty bracket better. Easiest conversion in one kit is the Arrow kit like mentioned. I believe there was a guy on here selling the kit new in box for damn near half price. You have access to all the parts, just take them off your ACR..lol.

Does anybody have a link to the Arrow combo? I can't find it on the site.

[The Stig]

dave I see nothing has changed in your vast wealth of knowledge and your ability. You of all people would know what 10gs get u.. just parts .. but why would I even type that ... you already know everything about vipers...correct.. btw I did type this slow as I have been told by countless others you don't read well fast.. enjoy your new years

[dave6666]

dave I see nothing has changed in your vast wealth of knowledge and your ability. You of all people would know what 10gs get u.. just parts .. but why would I even type that ... you already know everything about vipers...correct.. btw I did type this slow as I have been told by countless others you don't read well fast.. enjoy your new years

lmao so let's review the "schooling" you acted like you are the god of all gods on:

1) You provide vastly misleading info on the package cost

2) When questioned about it you have a defensive butt hurt meltdown

I'm sure Arrow is proud to have you discussing their products for them.


I rest my case.

[Bluesnake]

Just buy a supercharger kit. Much easier and a lot more power available.

[dave6666]

Just buy a supercharger kit. Much easier and a lot more power available.

Or both

[Bluesnake]

Or both

Exactly

[The Stig]

Sure Dave we all have melt downs... just saying ... carry on being Dave .......we all love you ...

[Junkie]

No interest in a blower. She just wants rowdy. We both have other race cars

[Martyb]

If I could get the gen 4 package installed and tuned for 10k I would do it tomorrow. I received a quote from a vendor to purchase and install this package for me and it was more than double the $10k price.

[J TNT]

10 K is the price before headers and taking a DYI approach . which a few offer members have done . Call arrow, Dan from VSP or Todd from A & C performance or Dan Craigin , if you need the installed price ! All do great work !

[ICPREY]

Unless you have to have the Gen 3/4 look and a little more HP I would just go with a set of Greg Good gen 2 heads/cam for simplicity and price. Buy a set of unported heads and send them to Greg in Houston so it's a simple swap. I'm not sure where in TX you are but it might be worth a trip to see Greg. I guess it mostly comes down to your budget.

[plumcrazy]

Unless you have to have the Gen 3/4 look and a little more HP I would just go with a set of Greg Good gen 2 heads/cam for simplicity and price. Buy a set of unported heads and send them to Greg in Houston so it's a simple swap. I'm not sure where in TX you are but it might be worth a trip to see Greg. I guess it mostly comes down to your budget.

what he said plus a solid tune

[99RT10]

Last time I talked to Greg, he wasn't interested in porting Gen 2 heads. He will do Gen 1/3/4/5 heads. The Gen 2 heads have a tenancy to crack. Free shipping on the Gen 3 heads.