2017 ACR Final Edition GTS R on Ebay

[ViperJon]

Sorry but comparing Viper "demand" to Porsche is laughable in any context. Porsche has a huge fan base and worldwide appeal.
There is no Viper demand remotely similar.

[Dman]

Best shot is to pry the keys out of my dead hands!

For those that say what it's worth or not worth.

Comes down to a seller and buyer - if there are none for sale buyer pays more.

Tired of hearing the bs it's just paint - bought it to enjoy but it holds it own in any collection or against any car on track.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend with the 'just paint' comment. Only meant that it's a paint job, otherwise there's nothing different. If it had a power bump, suspension or other things that made it different, then ... but that's all, not dismissing it at all. Like I posted, some folks are really into special edition things, and if that's paint, then cool, and it'll have its value for that crowd.

It will be interesting to see how values go. With ACRs, true 1of1's and these spec eds.

Meanwhile, let's hope this thread doesn't spin into how special editions aren't worth more and others defend it, lol, pointless. There are now 2 on eBay. One is a bargain for under $200k, lolz.

[bigmacsmallfries]

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Sorry but comparing Viper "demand" to Porsche is laughable in any context. Porsche has a huge fan base and worldwide appeal.
There is no Viper demand remotely similar.

I agree with you 100%, very few take the Viper seriously. First American car for me. We'll see what happens, this will become the precedent and will set the tone.

[bigmacsmallfries]

Car has sold?!?! Listing has been taken down. Would be great news if the mark is set around 250k from the get go!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Supposedly sold, not sure how much.

http://www.atlantismotorgroup.com/Ve...l-Edition.aspx

[jasond29]

I hope it sold for 250K, get the ball rolling on viper values uptick.

[ViperJon]

did you guys ever dream an ACR - E would set track records and beat a 1.4M Porsche 918. .

You mean like it did back in 2010 when the Gen IV ACR set the Nurburgring and many other production car track records?
Viper history, you may want to brush up on it.

[Policy Limits]

The thing about 1 of 1 is someone else can order the same exact paint but different wheels or interior so there's more than one similar looking version out there. Plus they aren't numbered. However, a friend ordreed a competition blue 2016 one of one ACR with black center band in 2016. He said the concierge gave him about 150 photos and emails along the build which is really cool. Then the following year he ordered a 1:28 and hasn't heard jack in a half a year. Lol. So it's a trade off. I could've had anyone I wanted and you know my choice. Happy new year!!

[Dman]

Not offended because it's not true

The ACR - E limited vs 1 of 1 vs - really I could care less but for argument sake.

Have you ever bought a limited model of something? I collect scale models and having the 1st 5th vs 100th limited edition is a big deal in value that goes for anything collectible and while I understand you and many others it's just paint the collectors of the world view it entirely different. The 1 of 1 will not carry the same panache it's just a fact.

Owning other brands you all keep beating up the Viper by stating it's not Porsche Ferrari Heritage Ford - did you guys ever dream an ACR - E would set track records and beat a 1.4M Porsche 918.

The ACR - E broke the glass ceiling the limited editions will go to high end collectors sitting along side 1M - 5M vehicles.

Outside of collectors drivers who enjoy their cars and own a La Ferrari 918 Mclaren P1 are also buying the ACR - E.

Let me add one more thing - just bought a paint to sample GT3RS it carries a premium of 50 - 100k and it's truly just paint unlike the Viper Special Editions. I would have paid a like premium today for a special edition so the e-bay ads while may appear nuts only time will tell.

I have bought limited edition, but not for just paint like with the viper special editions. I've done it because it came with performance enhancements not available on other models.

At the end of the day, a viper special edition is a viper special edition paint job. To those who collect special edition widgets, watches, Hummel's, whatever, they'll be worth more. I'm not a special edition enthusiast, I'm a car enthusiast, so to me an ACRE with a VE Stage 2 is far more valuable, and honestly I'm not a fan of the paint schemes they picked. But that's what's great, guys like me won't be competing to buy the cars guys like you want and vice versa, so it works out great, and since it's opinion, neither is wrong. As to how much they'll ultimately be worth, no one knows until someone can read the future, but still no matter, guys who buy these for investment will care and guys who don't won't .. still works out great. No losers.

[commandomatt]

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[commandomatt]

I am doing the stage 2 by the same guy that did yours

For argument sake it's not jus paint - it's a numbered edition and there is no one better in the world than Ferrari / Fiat at marketing and they pulled this one right out of their playbook which brought many people to the brand that previously never owned a Viper.

SRT have done countless 'Last', 'Limited', 'First' editions (all numbered) etc well before they had anything to do with Ferrari and Fiat so don't think this is something new and unique to the Gen V's (or some super secret Ferrari playbook). I know your Ltd will be the most sought after model .....ever, so I wont go there.

Also, I did see that McDonalds had a new line of Ltd edition toys and I will be sure to collect all 4 !

[OneofOneViper]

Ok what years are you talking about and what cars were they compared against.

918 P1 LaFerrari - that's the league this current Viper is in going head to head with the greatest hyper cars in very good financial times.

Enjoy your Mickey D's and feel free to truncate at will.

I love vipers as much as any of you guys but lets be clear... 918, P1, LaFerrari are all cars that can beat the viper on the track marginally. They all totally destroy the viper ACRE in a straight light (especially the 918), and the finish of the interior and automatic options aren't even comparable. It's a great car, but let's not get carried away with comparing apples to oranges here. There is a reason those cars cost 1.4 million+. I do think (and maybe I'm bias because I love vipers) that the viper is the best bang for your buck around. The corvette held that title until the ACRE came into town. That doesn't necessarily bode well for an investment looking at the last 30 years of vettes depreciations. Not to say they will follow suit since again you're comparing apples to oranges. The reality is that if for some reason the "limited editions" vipers of 2017 become worth $1,000,000 tomorrow, all the other ACREs would still be worth $900,000 so we all win. No need to fight. There are more limited edition vipers than ACRE or GTC ACRE vipers combined this year. There just aren't a lot out there. They are all special and very individualized for having such a low number produced.

[06SRTCoupe]

I love vipers as much as any of you guys but lets be clear... 918, P1, LaFerrari are all cars that can beat the viper on the track marginally. They all totally destroy the viper ACRE in a straight light (especially the 918), and the finish of the interior and automatic options aren't even comparable. It's a great car, but let's not get carried away with comparing apples to oranges here. There is a reason those cars cost 1.4 million+. I do think (and maybe I'm bias because I love vipers) that the viper is the best bang for your buck around. The corvette held that title until the ACRE came into town. That doesn't necessarily bode well for an investment looking at the last 30 years of vettes depreciations. Not to say they will follow suit since again you're comparing apples to oranges. The reality is that if for some reason the "limited editions" vipers of 2017 become worth $1,000,000 tomorrow, all the other ACREs would still be worth $900,000 so we all win. No need to fight. There are more limited edition vipers than ACRE or GTC ACRE vipers combined this year. There just aren't a lot out there. They are all special and very individualized for having such a low number produced.

An ACR-E beat the 918 at Laguna Seca by over 1 second. You're right about everything else though. The Viper is not even comparable to those three cars in anything else.

[Policy Limits]

The Special Edition cars aren't Special. The manufacturer made a mistake when they named them. An official announcement will be forthcoming.

[Bmw2nv2000]

Good luck with that ACR Extreme. Love it when these new gen 5 owners show up to school us long term viper owners. My money is on the fact that viper values sink like rocks including the 20 diff "special editions" over the past 20 years. I hear the 13' maroon ones are the only true collector ones anyway. True story.

[OneofOneViper]

Good luck with that ACR Extreme. Love it when these new gen 5 owners show up to school us long term viper owners. My money is on the fact that viper values sink like rocks including the 20 diff "special editions" over the past 20 years. I hear the 13' maroon ones are the only true collector ones anyway. True story.

I like you. You're not drinking the Kool-Aid though. Whether it's 20 years or 5 years, I do think you're right that it's meaningless because the chances the value drops is much higher than raising.

[Bmw2nv2000]

maybe you dont know but there are guys who also paid well above sticker for the first gen 5's(esp the "special" maroon ones) and now that car is worth maybe $75-80k but some owners are so certain their "special" limited cars are worth $130k but the market says other wise. Hence "good luck with that". Plus you actually mention LaFerrari and viper in same sentence. Sorry to tell ya but the viper is the exotic for the middle class workin man and the LaFerrari is for the top 1% so its a joke to put in same category in any way.
And all this negativity is coming from a viper fanatic thats owned quite a few vipers over past 10 years who lives in reality about the cars i love. You buy your first viper and come on a viper forum of long term/multiple viper owners and tell them all about viper values and how delusional they are you are gonna get called out.

[zee]

maybe you dont know but there are guys who also paid well above sticker for the first gen 5's(esp the "special" maroon ones) and now that car is worth maybe $75-80k but some owners are so certain their "special" limited cars are worth $130k but the market says other wise. Hence "good luck with that". Plus you actually mention LaFerrari and viper in same sentence. Sorry to tell ya but the viper is the exotic for the middle class workin man and the LaFerrari is for the top 1% so its a joke to put in same category in any way.
And all this negativity is coming from a viper fanatic thats owned quite a few vipers over past 10 years who lives in reality about the cars i love. You buy your first viper and come on a viper forum of long term/multiple viper owners and tell them all about viper values and how delusional they are you are gonna get called out.

Top 1%?? You need to make $380k to be classed in top 1% in the US. Try top .0000001% to get your hands on a La ferrari lol

[Vprbite]

Money can't buy what I have. There's the price of things and then there's the value of them.

I would agree. You have it and it's important to you.

I don't know if I would buy a special edition for 260k but as someone said earlier, he is getting cheap advertising and maybe he'll take 180 and someone will feel they got a great deal.

But hey if they own it, they can ask whatever they want for it. My license plate is for sale for 10 grand. No one is probably ever gonna give me that but I'm still asking it.

[Bmw2nv2000]

I responded / mentioned older Vipers because I do not know nor anyone delusional in fact it's the complete opposite as I asked what were these older Vipers marketed against. My guess is it was a Corvette.

Todays times are completely different both in finance and social media. The fact is the ACR - E is being put against the Hyper cars which gives it a lot more credibility than the past Vipers. La Ferrari P1 918 owners are buying Vipers and posting that they are loving their ACR - E. That's exactly how I learned about the Viper a well known athlete who owns dealers P1 etc started a thread on Rennlist where many other like owners posted so my perspective is different. For whatever reason my perspective creates controversy in a thread that shows asking over MSRP - it's that simple.

What I did mention was it's not nuts that the last Editions asking over stocker - time will tell.

It's 100% others who tether the old to the new and again will state the ACR - E appeals to a different owner than the past Vipers.

Why you or others post negative is your choice. As I also mentioned preference was a Stryker Blue then Purple it was VE who convinced me to buy a GTS - R and until recent positive posts and waiting 6 months I got excited that it was being shipped and again to see they were doing well in the market so I added what other like cars have done. Whether or not you or others agree could care less it's my perspective based on present vs past.

Once again you are showing that you are new to the Viper world and here to educate us old world viper guys by telling us that viper for the first time is being put against faster cars than just a vette. The Gen 4 ACR also set record breaking numbers at every track it visited against all the big name super cars at that time too. Is the Gen 5 acr faster? Of course and so are everyone elses models Its called evolution of cars they all get better and faster with each new model so acting like your gen 5 ACR has done something unbelievable in the sports car world is total noob. The Viper(esp ACR) has always been a super car on the track just has never been highly recognized by the elite buyers of the world. And it still is no where near considered an elite buyers car. Does it get respect from some other higher end car owners? Yep but most still laugh at it cause it doesn't come with matching luggage or $10k logoed watches.

I too am an avid 6speed reader too(911 owner myself). Just because there have been a couple 918 or LF owners buy the viper does not in any way mean the Viper is specifically built to market beside those cars($130k compared to a $1.5+M car is laughable). Same market car would be the obvious, Z06, GTR, 911, R8, maybe even hoped to hit the Gallardo, California owners back in 13' when introduced.

Sounds like VE talked you into buying this special one by claiming there was a good return on investment because it was a "special edition" and maybe it will but don't get your hopes up is all I'm trying to say. I'll gladly say that the past many "Special Edition" vipers do hold more resale value than the regular viper in that same year but we are talking maybe $5k more. Not crazy numbers that you seem to hope or imply.
Honestly I don't give 2 craps about what you have or the value it reaches but the noobs that come here to educate us long time viper owners just bugs me. If your "Special Edition" holds value above the msrp for more than 6 months then you will have the honor of owning the first viper in history to do that. Best of luck.

[Bmw2nv2000]

You should post your thoughts over at Viperalley.com

[Policy Limits]

In all fairness this generation did seek cross over consumers since 2012 pre launch. They were accused of having an identity crisis because they wanted it known as an "SRT" and not just a Dodge to justify a six figure price tag. The fact that it was short lived does not negate the marketing attempt to reach cross over buyers. I put my order in late 2012 and my fun car before my 2013 GTS was a Lamborghini so I suppose I was the intended audience at that time, even if I was in the minority whom bit. Traditional viper guys resented the move and the generation saw a 15k price drop in MSRP resulting in loyalty vouchers, a production halt and temporary lay off of factory workers amid poor sales. The first year quality control issues and recalls/campaigns were frustrating. Five model years into production of the generation they can't build enough, parts shortages and irony abound. This generation has been through the wringer. It does seem however, that there are many more cross over buyers in 2017 than there were in 2013. I was in the market and purchased both the first and last production years of the generation so I've noticed the comparison keenly.

Value is what someone would pay for an item. Remember when Dodge was sending early generation pre production models to the crusher? Jay Leno offered 1/4 mill for one. Even though the manufacturer rejected it, it showed how worth is the willingness to pay. It's way too speculative and premature to currently determine future value of these editions. Does history suggest they are just depreciating assets? Certainly. However it's not so unrealistic to think that the last V10 made with a stick that's a numbered special edition and a 25th anniversary car will hold its own. You buy it to enjoy it and if values rises, it does. If it doesn't it doesn't.

I went to my local Ferrari Maserati dealership recently for service. It was the same place ten years ago that had a Ford GT hidden in the back and listed at 140k. They were ashamed of it because it was only a Ford. Now the same place had a blue with white stripes model on its show room floor listed over 300k. Funny how times can change.

[dewilmoth]

I said Rennlist not 6speed no idea what that is - you don't like new people buying an ACR - E ... got the memo!

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-g...viper-acr.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-g...reme-aero.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/other-mar...1-of-28-a.html

I was lusting after the ACR from the day it was announced, but CJ's thread is what made me take the plunge when I had the opportunity. That's a really great thread, by an unbiased guy who can literally drive whatever he wants. Great read! That being said, I was bummed when he decided to sell the car after such a short ownership.

[Dman]

In all fairness this generation did seek cross over consumers since 2012 pre launch. They were accused of having an identity crisis because they wanted it known as an "SRT" and not just a Dodge to justify a six figure price tag. The fact that it was short lived does not negate the marketing attempt to reach cross over buyers. I put my order in late 2012 and my fun car before my 2013 GTS was a Lamborghini so I suppose I was the intended audience at that time, even if I was in the minority whom bit. Traditional viper guys resented the move and the generation saw a 15k price drop in MSRP resulting in loyalty vouchers, a production halt and temporary lay off of factory workers amid poor sales. The first year quality control issues and recalls/campaigns were frustrating. Five model years into production of the generation they can't build enough, parts shortages and irony abound. This generation has been through the wringer. It does seem however, that there are many more cross over buyers in 2017 than there were in 2013. I was in the market and purchased both the first and last production years of the generation so I've noticed the comparison keenly.

Value is what someone would pay for an item. Remember when Dodge was sending early generation pre production models to the crusher? Jay Leno offered 1/4 mill for one. Even though the manufacturer rejected it, it showed how worth is the willingness to pay. It's way too speculative and premature to currently determine future value of these editions. Does history suggest they are just depreciating assets? Certainly. However it's not so unrealistic to think that the last V10 made with a stick that's a numbered special edition and a 25th anniversary car will hold its own. You buy it to enjoy it and if values rises, it does. If it doesn't it doesn't.

I went to my local Ferrari Maserati dealership recently for service. It was the same place ten years ago that had a Ford GT hidden in the back and listed at 140k. They were ashamed of it because it was only a Ford. Now the same place had a blue with white stripes model on its show room floor listed over 300k. Funny how times can change.

Good post, agreed. Only thing that throws this year off is Gerry Wood in terms of 'they can't build enough'. He bought the equivalent of 20% of vipers made in 2016, in one shot, which closed ordering. That to me is an artificial incident, if he hadn't, nothing suggest there'd have been a hiccup in producing more than enough thru the year. The fact that he still has plenty in stock means supply was beyond demand, and we know what that usually means. But couldn't agree more on every point really. Cross marketing, which could've been great for the viper, miserable failure in the marketing campaign killed the first 2+ years, quality issues, combined with perf records, a bit crazy. As you say, time will tell and until then, we get to enjoy these beasts. I'm about to wire money over for my 5th and possibly last new viper and after 18 years with these cars, I'm still giddy about it. They're indeed special.

[Bmw2nv2000]

I said Rennlist not 6speed no idea what that is - you don't like new people buying an ACR - E ... got the memo!

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-g...viper-acr.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-g...reme-aero.html

http://rennlist.com/forums/other-mar...1-of-28-a.html

You read much? I dont give a flip what you have or buy. I just cant stand a noob know it all which you displayed a perfect example thats the only reason i posted in here. Esp when you list viper with LF and 918's. Good luck with your investment noob

Oh and you really should post your thoughts over at the alley. Just call yourself snakize2