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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by viperBase1 View Post
    Here's a 1998 GTS-R / 1200 miles / $110K
    https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/5906304176.html

    They seem to be holding value pretty well.
    I'm sure you know as well as anyone that what you list something for is not what they sell for in almost all cases. I saw a launch editions for sale on Ebay a few weeks back for 250k. Does that mean launch editions are holding great value as well?

    I do agree that GTS-R vipers have held value better than any other viper, but it wasn't just a paint job done to those cars which is one of the big reasons they are holding value so well. The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job and while I do have some desire to own one of the original GTS-Rs, the new tribute cars have no additional appeal to me over any other ACR-E viper.

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    The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Policy Limits View Post
    The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.
    You will preach to a group that won't listen. Some people just don't "get it." I totally accept differing viewpoints but these forums have a small portion of people who think they "own you" and write like sophist insecure kids. I just don't understand why they insist on coming to the forums daily. Just silly.

    I completely agree, these vipers are special as are all vipers. I think they should be driven as there are much better investments including different cars to buy. However to each their own.

    Some people just need to accept that some people want to buy a car and obsess and worry about prices, or paint perfection, or pure racing or just intrinsic street cruising that doesn't need to be justified.

    We have the ultimate progression of 25 years of Viper evolution in our gen Vs and especially the ACRE cars. I grew up with the blue and white poster so I'm very biased and passionate. I'm glad some people hope to make a killing on the collectibility of the car as that means mine with miles will be worth more than I think! I just think too many teens or really immature people just keep picking arguments for the sake of "owning us."

    Just ironic because we are driving the dream cars of many on here yet we seem to be soo wrong with our logic. I'll continue to bet on myself and take my chances.

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by OneofOneViper View Post
    The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job...
    Thanks, I did not know that.

    I get schooled on this Forum every day.

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    If I had the money, I would buy two ACR-Es. One to drive and one to look at. Maybe the zero mileage one would be a nice inheritance to my kids in 30 years but I could still enjoy the hell out of the driven one in the meantime.

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Policy Limits View Post
    The special editions are.......wait for it......Special. in addition to being special edition it's also a 25th anniversary edition and most likely a Final edition. At the end of the day you purchase what makes you happy and for reasons of your own. Every viper is hand made in low volume and is therefore special. However, this one feels extra special.
    That is just too cool! Do you have video or pics as it goes through the Conner assembly plant? It all just adds to the ownership experience and stories to tell about these amazing cars..
    Last edited by Donato; 12-26-2016 at 06:57 PM.

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    You ever notice that when a group of people buy something because it will become collectible one day, that day never comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACR Extreme View Post
    Stage 2 1/4 mile - how quick is it.
    I went 9.9@141 with our off the shelf stage 2 package.

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    The 98 car was in no way a revolutionary leap forward in performance and was also a "tribute" car.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneofOneViper View Post
    I'm sure you know as well as anyone that what you list something for is not what they sell for in almost all cases. I saw a launch editions for sale on Ebay a few weeks back for 250k. Does that mean launch editions are holding great value as well?

    I do agree that GTS-R vipers have held value better than any other viper, but it wasn't just a paint job done to those cars which is one of the big reasons they are holding value so well. The new tribute GTS-R vipers are just a paint job and while I do have some desire to own one of the original GTS-Rs, the new tribute cars have no additional appeal to me over any other ACR-E viper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLATOUT View Post
    I went 9.9@141 with our off the shelf stage 2 package.
    People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator02 View Post
    People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.
    The wing left on eats almost 5mph in the quarter. We had one ACR E customer with a VE heads/cam setup go 10.4@136 with the front splitter extension on and the rear wing removed in +70 ft DA.

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    Holding time is going to be a factor for sure....To bad there wasn't a Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Superbird forum around in 1969/1970 to go back and read. A lot of those cars sat on the lots forever and were deeply discounted and had sizeable production numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACR Extreme View Post
    Keep in mind those were taken straight to the track - broken fixed right back at it.
    They sold nearly 2000 to the general public through the dealerships as street cars, a whole whack of the superbirds were converted back to Road runner sheet metal so they'd sell. Those cars were pretty extreme for most people. Not unlike the ACR is today.

  14. #64
    Andy, I don't disagree that it was a tribute car but it had quite a few unique items. The new GTS-R is just that, a paint scheme. No offense meant by this but in 1998 there was not a VooDoo Edition, a Dealer Edition, the Snakeskin Green Editions, the GTS-R edition, don't forget a True 1 of 1 option etc.... I believe all of the final special editions will retain their value more than most other Gen V's but the Gen 2 GTS-R is sure to be a highly collectible car, even with 100 of them made.
    Quote Originally Posted by FLATOUT View Post
    The 98 car was in no way a revolutionary leap forward in performance and was also a "tribute" car.

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    the dealer edition and voodoo cars will allways be a wanted top dollar car

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1of1TA1.0 View Post
    Andy, I don't disagree that it was a tribute car but it had quite a few unique items. The new GTS-R is just that, a paint scheme. No offense meant by this but in 1998 there was not a VooDoo Edition, a Dealer Edition, the Snakeskin Green Editions, the GTS-R edition, don't forget a True 1 of 1 option etc.... I believe all of the final special editions will retain their value more than most other Gen V's but the Gen 2 GTS-R is sure to be a highly collectible car, even with 100 of them made.
    And a packet of Polaroids! The Gen 2 is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACRucrazy View Post
    And a packet of Polaroids! The Gen 2 is awesome!
    Ah Polaroids Something else I will have to explain to my children that will make me feel like a grandpa lol.

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLATOUT View Post
    Ah Polaroids Something else I will have to explain to my children that will make me feel like a grandpa lol.

    Andy
    Well, I'm old enough to remember my mother's Polaroid Land Camera which produced the pictures you had to wait, then peel - they didn't develop before your eyes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swexlin View Post
    Well, I'm old enough to remember my mother's Polaroid Land Camera which produced the pictures you had to wait, then peel - they didn't develop before your eyes!
    Black and white or color?

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    Hey, I'm not that old - color!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terminator02 View Post
    People postulate the wing holds the car back but in a stage ll and only a 1/4 mile I'm thinking the wing may help get these cars out of the dig faster? What is your take. I think the acre will be very fast through 1/4 mile with the package as it will plant quickly.
    Lol that is the funniest shit I've read here. Just stop. The wing isn't helping for drag or top speed application. Just like the c7z z07 rear spoiler, shit is anti top speed.

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    Yep, must be the weight of the wing that helps it "dig faster."

    No, the wing only works with air velocity. And the force increases with the square of the velocity so at low speeds it does almost nothing. Now if you had a dragster that put down substantially more power mid track at already high speeds that may differ. But that is not the Vipers league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViperSRT View Post
    Yep, must be the weight of the wing that helps it "dig faster."

    No, the wing only works with air velocity. And the force increases with the square of the velocity so at low speeds it does almost nothing. Now if you had a dragster that put down substantially more power mid track at already high speeds that may differ. But that is not the Vipers league.
    Well I didn't proof this from weeks ago and usually write when I have a minute to type from a phone. To clarify, I meant the tires would help get the car going faster than other models from "the dig" and that the package may help put up some serious times at the track. I was actually going against the reviews being surprised that the ACR puts up some of the faster 1/4 times despite the wing. My point was the tires and package combined should put up some of the best times from the dig. Roll racing would have some impact on times as drag becomes a bigger factor.

    I see how my post was confusing. Hopefully you get your viper out a bit this weekend as the weather will be near sixty in metro Detroit.

  25. #75
    What he said....

    Quote Originally Posted by Policy Limits View Post
    Feels epic knowing you own the last V10 made with a stick, a numbered low production, exclusive hand made exotic American super car that broke over a dozen race track records. To get the most exclusive special edition made in American colors is just an epic feeling. There isn't a car collector in the world whom would kick one out of his garage. Widest tires on any production car in the world, largest naturally aspirated engine made, exclusively a 3 pedal car, a barely street legal race car. Just wow all around. My window sticker says it was especially made for me as does the dash plaque and custom car cover will match the paint scheme with my name on it. It's so personal and special. I'm obviously biased but then again I could've purchased anything I wanted and the decision wasn't even close in comparison to other choices. Drive and enjoy it as its generally not an investment. But I could definitely see this one turning out that way in the future. I hope I keep mine forever though.


 
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