anyone looking to sell their viper or trade in to a dealership

[AZTVR]

FCA has still honored r28 recalls even with arrow tunes installed. I know that's different than the warranty debacle, but I thought I'd add that tidbit.

I am guessing that you don't mean what your statement implies. R28 is both the testing AND replacement of the engine if required. NOT just the testing. Please clarify if you only mean that the testing portion is what they will do if arrow tunes are installed; or, if you know of a car which has had the engine replaced as a result of an r28 test failure, that would be good to hear.

Copied from the FCA notice:

CUSTOMER SATISFACTION NOTIFICATION R28/R29
FCA will repair your vehicle free of charge. To address R28, the oil contamination issue, your
dealer will complete a free engine oil & filter change and send the used oil filter to FCA for analysis.
If FCA’s analysis of the oil filter is positive for debris, the dealer will contact you to schedule
replacement of the engine and related oil cooler components. If a new engine is not required, the
dealer will contact you to inform you that you do not need to return to the dealership.

[Lemur]

I am guessing that you don't mean what your statement implies. r28 is the testing AND replacement of the engine if required. NOT just the testing. Please clarify if you only mean that the testing portion is what they will do; or, if you know of a car which has had the engine replaced as a result of an r28 test failure, that would be good to hear.

Copied from the FCA notice:

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

[AZTVR]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Well, that is surprising ! Thanks for that clarification. No one has even hinted at that before.

[swexlin]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Recently? Entirely possible BEFORE the warranty crackdown, but now that even stock engines have to wait weeks for a replacement to be approved, I don't think anymore.

[Lemur]

Recently? Entirely possible BEFORE the warranty crackdown, but now that even stock engines have to wait weeks for a replacement to be approved, I don't think anymore.

I should have asked when, it didn't sound like it was in the last few months though

[Donato]

As some of you may know I’ve been researching C7 Z06 vs. Viper purchase, as far as price trends I came across this price trending tool on CarGuru. I couldn’t tell you what it all means but the graph for Corvette is very different than the graph for Viper for the same time period. With all the threads on Viper pricing I thought some of you may find it of interest, I did because other cars I looked up all followed a similar downward slope as the Corvette graph. Viper price trends seem to be somewhat of an anomaly for any year of Viper I charted.

BTW I decided on Viper but still not sure about Gen-4 ACR or Gen-5.

[Lemur]

As some of you may know I’ve been researching C7 Z06 vs. Viper purchase, as far as price trends I came across this price trending tool on CarGuru. I couldn’t tell you what it all means but the graph for Corvette is very different than the graph for Viper for the same time period. With all the threads on Viper pricing I thought some of you may find it of interest, I did because other cars I looked up all followed a similar downward slope as the Corvette graph. Viper price trends seem to be somewhat of an anomaly for any year of Viper I charted.

BTW I decided on Viper but still not sure about Gen-4 ACR or Gen-5.

I've been looking for something like this for awhile. How far back does their data go? Where on their site is this data?

[Uranium235]

The numbers on those charts don't tell much. Comparing the price trends Corvette vs. Viper over a year and half is useless. In that period of time, it's probable that 10 times as many Vettes were sold as Vipers. Therefore, each little spike or trough in the chart on the right could be the sale of one or two cars, could be fully loaded GTS or base models. There just isn't nearly as much of a sample size on the Viper chart. The Vette graph is much smoother simply because of the sheer number sold.

[Donato]

I've been looking for something like this for awhile. How far back does their data go? Where on their site is this data?

Just Google ("car make and model" price trends), a link to CarGuru will come up. I'm not sure how to access the tool directly from CarGuru. I would guess you could model back as far as CarGuru has been tracking car prices.

[Donato]

The numbers on those charts don't tell much. Comparing the price trends Corvette vs. Viper over a year and half is useless. In that period of time, it's probable that 10 times as many Vettes were sold as Vipers. Therefore, each little spike or trough in the chart on the right could be the sale of one or two cars, could be fully loaded GTS or base models. There just isn't nearly as much of a sample size on the Viper chart. The Vette graph is much smoother simply because of the sheer number sold.

I do realize there are less Viper points to plot but compared to my previous car (BMW M5 V10) there were about 20k cars made with 18k cars in the USA and still the chart looks different. There are currently 224 M5 V10s for sale nationwide compared to 400 Vipers. Now I’m the last one to claim to be an expert on any of this, I just found it of interest.

Just FYI, V10 M5 prices have tanked in the last few years due to a similar mysterious engine malfunction with spinning rod bearings. However the difference being the parts for the V10 M5 are super expensive and the electronics are such that when you replace the engine it’s still questionable if it will ever run correctly again and the cost to fix it is more than the car is worth.

The V10 M5 is an engineering masterpiece with a 205mph top speed and a 507hp NA 5.0 liter V10 that revs up to 8350 rpm and that engine just screams. It’s a crying shame that such a fine automobile will be basically worth scrap metal in a few more years.

[V10powerr]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

[Lemur]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I highly doubt you'll see a gen V viper sent through an auction. I mean, it will happen eventually, but you'll be waiting/searching for a LONG time. I don't think it's a viable purchase strategy. I'd just buy something that's a good deal in the winter.

[Boosted Motorsports]

guys no doubt, the viper holds better value than the vette and also imo just a piece of art though i like the vette too, just not as exclusive.
still looking for the person looking to trade their car as trade values are low.
does anyone recommend any auctions I could find a gen v at?

thanks

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

[Lemur]

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

LOL seriously

[BJG32]

Yep... getting into salvage territory. No clean tittled gen 5 should be in the 60's. Yes it happens, but its out of ignorance/desperation of the seller.

Make the guy an offer. Find out what personal property taxes are and shave that off the asking price as your offer. He'll lose that money anyway if he owns it on 1/1/2017.

[V10powerr]

did not realize that was a gts- thought it was a track pack- there is another in in WI with a branded title gts for 69k if anyone is interested
a clean gts for 68 is a hell of a deal but dont think this one is a gts.

[darbgnik]

If the red GTS with track pack listed for $67,500 right now doesn't sound like an amazing price you may be looking at the wrong vehicle for your budget...

No disrespect intended to the OP, but this is my thought as well.

[V10powerr]

guys no disrespect taken, i totally agree with you guys 68 for a gts is great but not sure if your facts are right, thats not a GTS

[darbgnik]

guys no disrespect taken, i totally agree with you guys 68 for a gts is great but not sure if your facts are right, thats not a GTS

You're right, it's not a GTS. But strangely enough, even though the GTS can cost tens of thousands more, to purchase, the resale and trade in value don't reflect it.

You pay a little more for a used GTS, but get a lot more bells and whistles for the little extra. The used SRT's are cheaper, but not nearly as much as you'd think. Go figure! That track pack car is as cheap as you'll find a non story car, if it indeed has no stories.....

[OneofOneViper]

Personal preferences aside, the resale for GTS and SRT are the same because by far the majority of the people buying vipers prefer the SRT hood over the GTS. The GTS has a nice interior, but the hood plays a huge part and for years my friends and I wondered why Dodge gave the SRT version the better hood. It just comes down to not understanding the customer. Most buying a Viper want the aggressive look, not a smoother more refined look. It's showing up in resale values now.

[Dman]

I'll clarify, I was told by a well known Viper tech, who I don't want to name, that he had done r28 engine warranty engine replacements on cars with arrow tunes.

Pretty much certain that if that happened, it was prior to Sept. FCA has the take pics and check deltas of mileage, all sorts of checks that can have nothing to do with what's wrong, just to look for warranty denial. No one is getting covered with an Arrow, even suspension mods like lowering, is voiding entire car warranty from FCA. Welcome to the new Dodge. You mod anything, you're on your own.

[Dman]

Personal preferences aside, the resale for GTS and SRT are the same because by far the majority of the people buying vipers prefer the SRT hood over the GTS. The GTS has a nice interior, but the hood plays a huge part and for years my friends and I wondered why Dodge gave the SRT version the better hood. It just comes down to not understanding the customer. Most buying a Viper want the aggressive look, not a smoother more refined look. It's showing up in resale values now.

Yea, people don't give value credit for the GTS, buyers compare prices of base $85k cars with $140k stickered cars. That's why GTSs have such devasting depreciation. The upscale model thing just didn't hold in the aftermarket. Even new they pretty much ditched it for the GT. When I see all the GTSs the Gerry Wood bought for 2017, it blows my mind, new and aftermarket have shown they're just not valued up over a GT in buyers minds.

[ViperSmith]

I am getting ready to list my Silver 2015 SRT with 8,000 miles for $71k. never modded. New rear tires and new fronts sitting in the basement.

[Dman]

I am getting ready to list my Silver 2015 SRT with 8,000 miles for $71k. never modded. New rear tires and new fronts sitting in the basement.

This makes me sad, Harold.

Amazing price for a sweet silver snake.

[edc]

I dropped the price on my 2015 SRT with 1200 miles down to $75k. I'm guessing the Arrow PCM is scaring people off from a brand new car. I guess I'll have to keep it lol Maybe I'll raise the price back up in Spring time when more people are looking to purchase?


I think the whole worry about loss of warranty thing is kind of silly though. That's how it is for ANY car maker. But understandable since the Vipers have recently had some issues. Meh, my oil level is always in the safe zone with no usage noted.

Anyone notice the Corvette automatic 8-speeds eating themselves recently?