What would you do ACR vs TA decision

[Dr.Ron]

It's not a bad choice to have!!

It sounds like for your needs the TA fits the bill. True, the ACR is top dog, but if you don't mind the overkill (from what it sounds like you'd use the car for) then get that. It's just that so many people say how stiff they are compared to the TA, which is stiffer feeling than the GTS. I've been in a TA & my own GTS. Too stiff of a ride 99% of the time in the car (on the street) with 1-2% of the time on the track may get old quickly.

I was between a TA & a GTS and went with the GTS for similar to what I mentioned above.

Good luck!

Ron

[darbgnik]

Hey when I bought my GT in 2011 for $129K, I told people it was going to go way up in value and they should buy as well. Nobody listened. lol.
The GT and Gen 5 production numbers are very similar, but way more GT's were sold than ACR's.

I still regret not buying the GT I was looking at, when our dollar was par with the green back. Bought a Lambo instead, wrong move kid. lol.

It sounds like for your needs the TA fits the bill. True, the ACR is top dog, but if you don't mind the overkill (from what it sounds like you'd use the car for) then get that. It's just that so many people say how stiff they are compared to the TA, which is stiffer feeling than the GTS. I've been in a TA & my own GTS. Too stiff of a ride 99% of the time in the car (on the street) with 1-2% of the time on the track may get old quickly.

Honestly, If I bought the ACR, I would only add the splitter and diffuser extensions when tracking it. Then there are those that run the V/E or MCS suspensions on them, with great results. I think if you want the big dog, but not the drawbacks, where there's a will there's a way.

[BlueAdder]

Since I have an ACR-E, I'm not the most objective but here's my opinion: You've stated having a race car (which is freaking awesome BTW) so if I were you, I'd get the TA2.0.
The ACR-E does look better, nastier in a way but the spliter and diffuser extensions aren't really meant for street use. Since you'll take the car to the track 3-4 times a year, you'll have fun in either anyway. Of course, since you have a race car, you would probably enjoy the ACR more.

Thing is that you want the 18 speaker and other amenities which, in my opinion go against the concept of the ACR. Those things get taken out on purpose, so why would one add them back?
In regards to looks, worse case would be to get after market parts, such as splitter, diffuser, humongous wing, extra set of canards, etc...

If you do the 1 of 1, my guess is that you could order a TA 2.0 with CCB (although, that wouldn't make much sense).

The T.A was my first choice last year when I was seriously considering the Viper, but then Dodge decided to produce the ACR and I fell in love (even more than the TA). The only thing I would change is that I would paint the ACR like the TA Orange because it's just seriously amazing. I really dig the competition blue and when I ordered my ACR, all I wanted was a basic ACR-E, no bells or whistles

Regardless of your decision, you'll be as happy as a clam.
My vote is for the TA2.0

[ClayR]

3K on my ACRE, no track days yet, freaking love it. It is just awesome. But I am someone who wants to always have the best.

[Racingswh]

Sounds like my ACR after only a few events
I don't have the yellowing sills yet though, but my Suntek melted the first session. What color is your car?

It's white. Started looking like a roasted marshmallow at the rocker where it meets the front fender after the first event. Both sides but passenger side is worse.

[ViperJon]

Thing is that you want the 18 speaker and other amenities which, in my opinion go against the concept of the ACR.

Having added the 18 speaker HK system to my ACR-E.....I can tell you the whole thing with amp might weigh 12 pounds. The why is obvious. Since I weigh about 165 and the next guy could be 225 that minimal difference is inconsequential overall. Rear carpet and sound deadening isn't necessary but the sound system is a must if you drive it on the street IMO.

[Snakebit10]

As usual, people don't do any research and just spout out data that supports their points whether it is true or not.

First and foremost, the P1 does not produce more "downforce" (yes, this is the correct spelling) than an ACR-E. Here are the facts:

ACR-E- 1,710 pounds of downforce at 177 mph
P1- 600 kilograms (~1,323 pounds) of downforce at 161 mph




http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...per-acr-drive/
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/gene...ion-mclaren-p1
http://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/laferra...rcars-stack-up

As for why the P1 was slower at Laguna than the ACR, it's a combination of things.

1. Laguna is not a big speed track, so the P1 couldn't take advantage of its additional power.

2. The P1 can't effectively deploy the power it has in low speed corners. A major part of this is the 305/30R20 tires (the same width as a 991 GT3 which "only" has 475 hp) but possibly the open diff as well. Just look at the difference in tire sizes:

P1- 903 hp fed to 245/35R19 93Y; 305/30R20 103Y Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R
ACR- 645 hp fed to 295/25ZR19 90Y; 355/30ZR19 99Y Kumho Ecsta V720 ACR

LaFerrari- 950 hp fed to 265/30R19 93Y; 345/30R20 106Y Pirelli P Zero Corsa
918- 887 hp fed to 265/35R20 95Y; 325/30R21 104Y Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Z06 Z07- 650 hp fed to 285/30R19 94Y; 335/25R20 99Y Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
GT3 RS (991)- 500 hp fed to 265/35ZR20 99Y; 325/30ZR21 108Y Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N1

In short, additional power is only effective if you are able to consistently utilize it.

Man when your verbal diarrhea goes it goes. And your posts as usual are filled with seriously petty sarcastic attacks for no reason. You have a real need to feel superior don't you?

Posting while multi-tasking at work has its penalty and I did not capture my full thought in my post. It happens. I meant the P1 has more down force than the posters TA 2.0 afaik and 260 more hp than the ACR and it still lost to the ACR thus showing its not all about HP and it would be track dependent whether the posters modified TA 2.0 would beat the ACR and not across the board.

[Dman]

I'm 95% looking at the TA. I'd have to fall onto an irresistible ACR situation. For the $ I can add 100hp and some other customizations. I'm also thinking I'm going to have this one a long ass time. So, I can play with wheel combos and wraps/dips much easier if I want to spice it up. Plus I want to represent all around, cruises, speed events, drags, RR, whatever, and the TA is better suited for well rounded events vs being solely focused. With the right tire I can get within 2 secs of the ACR, then I'll rely on my driver mod, haha.

On a side note, having chatted with many ACR guys selling now, I'm amazed how many put like nothing down on a toy car and have pay offs north of $125-130k. Man, I couldn't enjoy something I owed that much on, lol. If I can't pay cash for a toy, I don't buy it, must've been my strict parents. I get sometimes you finance a chunk, but 90% plus, what the what.

[BlueAdder]

Having added the 18 speaker HK system to my ACR-E.....I can tell you the whole thing with amp might weigh 12 pounds. The why is obvious. Since I weigh about 165 and the next guy could be 225 that minimal difference is inconsequential overall. Rear carpet and sound deadening isn't necessary but the sound system is a must if you drive it on the street IMO.

I'm fairly light myself, although it would appear that I'm getting fatter as I age and I can see your point.
I guess it's just a matter of taste really. I have a decent stereo in my other cars but for the ACR, I don't really care much about the audio and I enjoy listening at the car.
Maybe it's also because I drove a Honda Civic for years and that thing didn't even have a radio

[Terminator02]

I'm 95% looking at the TA. I'd have to fall onto an irresistible ACR situation. For the $ I can add 100hp and some other customizations. I'm also thinking I'm going to have this one a long ass time. So, I can play with wheel combos and wraps/dips much easier if I want to spice it up. Plus I want to represent all around, cruises, speed events, drags, RR, whatever, and the TA is better suited for well rounded events vs being solely focused. With the right tire I can get within 2 secs of the ACR, then I'll rely on my driver mod, haha.

On a side note, having chatted with many ACR guys selling now, I'm amazed how many put like nothing down on a toy car and have pay offs north of $125-130k. Man, I couldn't enjoy something I owed that much on, lol. If I can't pay cash for a toy, I don't buy it, must've been my strict parents. I get sometimes you finance a chunk, but 90% plus, what the what.

Sounds like you are getting there and I think that's pretty solid logic. My last advice is to spend the most that you can afford (time and or money) to get exactly the car you want (unless you find yourself a really good sale). It's so much harder than most people (not you) think to find the right car. I also think that it wastes too much time to worry about engine failure. I worried a bit only when I happened to get the HC TA and started reading these forums. Prior to seeing the sale on these forums, I was driving my 15 GT every day and having a blast. So many people have had theories of which cars are solid and which are bad and now it really looks like it's a crap shoot. It's a low crap shoot though. I'm pissed af at FCA for how they handled some situations and I do think it's a huge number of failures given the low production numbers of our cars however it still FAVORS you that you will get a fine car with no problems. So given that you are going to mod and buy used, I would just buy the exact TA you want and maybe try to find the mods already on the car like I did. Good luck, it's a tremendously fun situation to be in.
Dave

[ViperJon]

On a side note, having chatted with many ACR guys selling now, I'm amazed how many put like nothing down on a toy car and have pay offs north of $125-130k. Man, I couldn't enjoy something I owed that much on, lol. If I can't pay cash for a toy, I don't buy it, must've been my strict parents. I get sometimes you finance a chunk, but 90% plus, what the what.

There are "many" ACR guys selling their cars? Where.....I know someone interested.

[NT-ACR]

Man when your verbal diarrhea goes it goes. And your posts as usual are filled with seriously petty sarcastic attacks for no reason. You have a real need to feel superior don't you?

Posting while multi-tasking at work has its penalty and I did not capture my full thought in my post. It happens. I meant the P1 has more down force than the posters TA 2.0 afaik and 260 more hp than the ACR and it still lost to the ACR thus showing its not all about HP and it would be track dependent whether the posters modified TA 2.0 would beat the ACR and not across the board.

Verbal diarrhea? What part of my response didn't make sense or was rambling? Unlike you, I presented hard facts.

Concerning these "petty sarcastic attacks" that you allege, I don't see how pointing out grammatical errors qualifies as an "attack" but you are welcome to take it that seriously. (Note- You need a comma between petty and sarcastic in your original response.)

As for feeling superior, nothing could be further from the truth. For better or for worse, a forum is judged by its posters. Keeping this in mind, I'd rather not have the general public perceiving Viper owners as imbeciles just because a few forum members on here can't compose well-written, fact-based responses.

[Snorman]

Verbal diarrhea? What part of my response didn't make sense or was rambling? Unlike you, I presented hard facts.

Concerning these "petty sarcastic attacks" that you allege, I don't see how pointing out grammatical errors qualifies as an "attack" but you are welcome to take it that seriously. (Note- You need a comma between petty and sarcastic in your original response.)

As for feeling superior, nothing could be further from the truth. For better or for worse, a forum is judged by its posters. Keeping this in mind, I'd rather not have the general public perceiving Viper owners as imbeciles just because a few forum members on here can't compose well-written, fact-based responses.

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[Snorman]

There are "many" ACR guys selling their cars? Where.....I know someone interested.

There are 9 on Cars.com.
And VE has only 4 ACR's in stock.
So yeah...not seeing many.
S.

[Dman]

There are "many" ACR guys selling their cars? Where.....I know someone interested.

I just use the interwebs, over the last month I've talked with 4 owners, and emailed 2 others selling, that's my definition of "many" if that's what you're questioning. 3 guys have delisted their cars, they didn't sell in the $12Xk range and so they're just holding thru winter, one we're close on price, I may hear back if he gives and I don't buy something else. Tell your "friend" to hit eBay and cargurus and listingallcars, those are the ones I use together to find anything I'm looking for. Seems like about $123k is the going bottom line regardless of the config I find, a base ACR with H/C, a ARCE stickered at $140+, all looking at about $123k'ish to sell. Which is hard to pass up, and why I'm not finding it easy to just buy the TA, a new 2.0 with H/C installed new is going to run about $119k, so the prices are really close, making it a very hard decision.

[OneofOneViper]

Make up your mind... This thread is dead and you keep digging it back up from the grave. Everyone has said the ACRE is the better option but TA might suit your driving needs better. You're looking for a steal on an ACRE and it just won't happen. There is too much demand for them and if they were going for as much as a TA or less people would be jumping all over them which is why their used price is still just over the price of a new TA and will never go below what a TA sells for.

[Dman]

Make up your mind... This thread is dead and you keep digging it back up from the grave. Everyone has said the ACRE is the better option but TA might suit your driving needs better. You're looking for a seal on an ACRE and it just won't happen. There is too much demand for them and if they were going for as much as a TA or less people would be jumping all over them which is why their used price is still just over the price of a new TA and will never go below what a TA sells for.

Welcome to the forums, nice to have another friendly spirited voice. Looking forward to all your contributions.

Maybe the mods can lock it so it'll float way as a dead zombie thread, and make your holidays even brighter and ensure your 6th post ever isn't In This thread. lol.

Oh crap just brought this to the top again, "oops I did it again".

[dethred]

Bump for David's dead thread.

[OneofOneViper]

bumpity bump bump. It sucks not having the money for the car you want to buy but it's clear you'd rather have an ACRE if you can get one at a steal of a deal price which is why you haven't pulled the trigger on a TA yet. You're holding out hoping to find someone willing to give one away cheaper than the going rate. Not exactly a viable plan in my book unless you have a long time to wait.

[Dman]

bumpity bump bump. It sucks not having the money for the car you want to buy but it's clear you'd rather have an ACRE if you can get one at a steal of a deal price which is why you haven't pulled the trigger on a TA yet. You're holding out hoping to find someone willing to give one away cheaper than the going rate. Not exactly a viable plan in my book unless you have a long time to wait.

LoL, complaining about the thread and yet, you've obviously not read a word of it. Yes, I don't have the money for what I want, I have a tiny penis, and I'm bald. But, at least I can read a thread and see the salient points without trying to start a thread war. Jeez, these noobs who keep dropping in the gen5 forum just as soooo worn out before they even get started.

My problem is I can afford them all, otherwise this would be very simple, I'd just buy what I could. I am trying to mitigate some depreciation, after 16 years of many vipers, I more than know that feeling, lol again.

You know, now I too want to lock this thread, mods, help, kill it before we deep dive the rabbit hole arrrgh.

[darbgnik]

Hahaha. You guys know each other? See the same girl at one point?

Dave, you had her first?

[Bruce H.]

Does anyone know the limit on the Ignore List?

[ViperJon]

Good lord.....six posts and doesn't even own a Viper yet.....nice way to start out.

[OneofOneViper]

Good lord.....six posts and doesn't even own a Viper yet.....nice way to start out.

I see you like to make assumptions. Just because I decided to post and support the VOA doesn't mean I'm new to the viper game.

[swexlin]

Hahaha. You guys know each other? See the same girl at one point?

Dave, you had her first?

Now that's funny right there!