2014 car with 10k miles, using 1qt/300 miles, found to have scoring on pistons

[99RT10]

OP, I think you have to look at cost of litigation vs rebuild and which is in your best interest. To go after the FCA, deep pockets are required with no guarantee of getting anything in return. Good luck either way

[7TH_SIGN]

You guys make me laugh with your "rebuild it the way you want out of your own pocket" when it comes to these failed FCA motors. Some people purchase cars under the impression they will be honored in their warranty. It's their fault and they (FCA) need to pay for it. By the way, attorney fees are included in the lemon law statutes in most states. This means if you win a lemon law case, the at fault will pay your attorney fees. That was the outcome of my lemon law dispute.

It is upon him to find an attorney who is experienced enough in the lemon law domain and that attorney if educated enough should know for certain whether or not he can win the case. The only thing I came out of pocket for was the initial first visit which was $300 if I remember correctly. Everything else was covered in my award.

Every state is different. This was Virginia.

[swexlin]

I seriously think there is a reason why FCA decided to extend warranty on r28/r29 cars vs r29 cars only. They know that cars have been passing R28 and still failing. I wish thy would just extend all viper warranties but the fact that they selected just the r28 cars is really interesting.

OP - good luck to you and hope all works out in your favor with the arrow pcm potential conflict. It's really sad that it is even a question. Thanks for keeping us updated.

Agree with you. For all of us who "passed" R28, it really shows that R28 means very little.

[Special Ed]

Too many assumptions being made in this thread in my opinion. Let's get more information before getting too far ahead of the situation.

Why? These threads are much more interesting when assumptions and minimal information is used.

Sorry to hear of your problem. I hope you have a favorable resolution.

[NT-ACR]

You guys make me laugh with your "rebuild it the way you want out of your own pocket" when it comes to these failed FCA motors. Some people purchase cars under the impression they will be honored in their warranty. It's their fault and they (FCA) need to pay for it. By the way, attorney fees are included in the lemon law statutes in most states. This means if you win a lemon law case, the at fault will pay your attorney fees. That was the outcome of my lemon law dispute.

It is upon him to find an attorney who is experienced enough in the lemon law domain and that attorney if educated enough should know for certain whether or not he can win the case. The only thing I came out of pocket for was the initial first visit which was $300 if I remember correctly. Everything else was covered in my award.

Every state is different. This was Virginia.

Well said.

[One Viper Bite]

You guys make me laugh with your "rebuild it the way you want out of your own pocket" when it comes to these failed FCA motors. Some people purchase cars under the impression they will be honored in their warranty. It's their fault and they (FCA) need to pay for it. By the way, attorney fees are included in the lemon law statutes in most states. This means if you win a lemon law case, the at fault will pay your attorney fees. That was the outcome of my lemon law dispute.

It is upon him to find an attorney who is experienced enough in the lemon law domain and that attorney if educated enough should know for certain whether or not he can win the case. The only thing I came out of pocket for was the initial first visit which was $300 if I remember correctly. Everything else was covered in my award.

Every state is different. This was Virginia.

Preach, son!

And yes, I love in California and it cost me $0 out of pocket to hire a Lemon Law Attorney. They get paid by the manufacturer, regardless of the outcome of the case. Win or lose. So, if the laws are the same in your state, I would go for it because you have nothing to lose.

[sadil]

Agree with you. For all of us who "passed" R28, it really shows that R28 means very little.

R28 accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do. Catch cars that are in the process of failing. It is a first wave and is useful in determining the validity of the oil consumption claim. The 10 year warranty takes care of everyone else who may face the issue in the future. Think its a pretty fair approach.

Regarding oil consumption, op might have a better chance since his bearing haven't spun yet. Interested about the timing chain focus too.

[Steve-Indy]

Agree with interest in timing chain. Have been told by techs at a local dealership that some of the latest models of the 5.7 Hemi are having problems with timing chains. Interesting, but may have no bearing.

[SRT_BluByU]

Picture of the timing chain and gears is simply to verify no cam modifications.

[swexlin]

To the OP - there has never been a leak you can see? Under the car, or inside the engine bay? I would think car using that much oil would be smoking, fouling catalysts, throwing codes, etc.

[AZTVR]

It would be interesting to know if the dealer had done a leakdown test on the OP's car before opening up the engine. If so, please post the results if you can get them.

[SRT_BluByU]

i don't think they will if it fails the oil consumption test and they agree to cover the replacement engine.. no need to diagnose at dealship since they don't rebuilt these..

[Dave1968]

You guys make me laugh with your "rebuild it the way you want out of your own pocket" when it comes to these failed FCA motors. Some people purchase cars under the impression they will be honored in their warranty. It's their fault and they (FCA) need to pay for it. By the way, attorney fees are included in the lemon law statutes in most states. This means if you win a lemon law case, the at fault will pay your attorney fees. That was the outcome of my lemon law dispute.

It is upon him to find an attorney who is experienced enough in the lemon law domain and that attorney if educated enough should know for certain whether or not he can win the case. The only thing I came out of pocket for was the initial first visit which was $300 if I remember correctly. Everything else was covered in my award.

Every state is different. This was Virginia.

Put your pipe down. Arrow controller = No warranty. Might as well face the facts, if they cover this one, they have to cover EVERY single claim from headers, controller, etc, etc, etc and there is no way they will open that door. I haven't put my decat pipes and controller on for this reason; I have 22,000 kms on the car and am still on the fence about when to install them. It's important to accept this early because FCA might charge him disassembly labour, shop supplies for the work required to dig deeper into the motor. He could face thousands of dollars in costs and be nowhere closer to a claim only to have it denied and then they bill him for all the work. It's time to mitigate the costs. Any lawyer with half a brain will read the contract and step aside unless he is guaranteed to be paid by the complainant.

[Jack B]

I have a question, how does R28 verify the oil consumption claim?

R28 accomplishes exactly what it sets out to do. Catch cars that are in the process of failing. It is a first wave and is useful in determining the validity of the oil consumption claim. The 10 year warranty takes care of everyone else who may face the issue in the future. Think its a pretty fair approach.

Regarding oil consumption, op might have a better chance since his bearing haven't spun yet. Interested about the timing chain focus too.

[Jack B]

Pulling the plugs in this case will tell you everything

To the OP - there has never been a leak you can see? Under the car, or inside the engine bay? I would think car using that much oil would be smoking, fouling catalysts, throwing codes, etc.

[dhx]

To the OP - there has never been a leak you can see? Under the car, or inside the engine bay? I would think car using that much oil would be smoking, fouling catalysts, throwing codes, etc.

No leaks whatsoever, and no oil smoke. I thought it would too, but the dealer said there is definitely scoring where oil is passing by.

It would be interesting to know if the dealer had done a leakdown test on the OP's car before opening up the engine. If so, please post the results if you can get them.

They did a compression test first, and was good, then a wet compression test, and it was off, that prompted the teardown.

Put your pipe down. Arrow controller = No warranty. Might as well face the facts, if they cover this one, they have to cover EVERY single claim from headers, controller, etc, etc, etc and there is no way they will open that door. I haven't put my decat pipes and controller on for this reason; I have 22,000 kms on the car and am still on the fence about when to install them. It's important to accept this early because FCA might charge him disassembly labour, shop supplies for the work required to dig deeper into the motor. He could face thousands of dollars in costs and be nowhere closer to a claim only to have it denied and then they bill him for all the work. It's time to mitigate the costs. Any lawyer with half a brain will read the contract and step aside unless he is guaranteed to be paid by the complainant.

Quit being negative. FCA is doing something wrong and will be held accountable. It's just a matter of how long and how much money will it take. The dodge dealer sold and installed the part. THE DODGE DEALER.

[sadil]

R28 is not for oil consumption, it is for oil contamination. So they take a sample and send your oil sample in to check for metal in the oil. If found, you get a new engine. If not you get to drive your car with peace of mind since you have a 10 year warranty. R29 is just for older cars to update for oil pull over, not sure if they even bother checking anything. Simple design change to avoid high rpm high G pull over.

In this case, op's consumption is past the rings, likely due to the oil contamination and metal in the oil scratching up the bores. Suprised he hasnt spun a bearing yet! Then again could be a bad ring too unless multiple bores are damaged which rules out a bad ring.

[drewsss]

I'm going against the grain here and will advise this. Talk to a professional shop about rebuilding your engine the way you want to; heads, cam, etc.. or stock, whatever you want; get that price quote. Unless you can find a lawyer that is willing to litigate like these injury guys do and only charge you if they win, then go with the rebuild. If you have tons of money and just want to fight FCA for the hell of it then fine, but you will lose and I'm very sorry to hear your plight. The lawyers are the only winners here - you will spend tens of thousands of dollars and waste literally years fighting this and will still lose. I am always the positive person, but I know FCA has their ass covered. So ending on a positive note, this is just a way for you to upgrade your car to an even crazier beast and you will love it!!

Great answer to a complex problem. As an example, I've personally wasted tens of thousands of dollars in attorneys' fees in the past (attempting to recover commercial real estate proceeds), to no avail. It's a sick feeling, doing battle, paying lawyers, and then ultimately losing. Not saying that would happen here for you, but just saying that a legal win is not a given, but a rebuild is a sure thing. Unless you can get a class action going, then I'd go with new hardware. Just my opinion.

[dhx]

To those who say "your money is better spent on a rebuild" or "don't waste your money its a big company", even big companies can be held accountable. I can afford to fight them if I need to, and I will until the situation is made right, even if it's cheaper and faster to pay for a rebuild.

[Darius]

What you should have done was take it to a dealer and trade it on a new Viper. Probably cheaper in the long run and you get a new car. You're gonna have so much stress trying to battle them and when you lose, even worse.

[dhx]

What you should have done was take it to a dealer and trade it on a new Viper. Probably cheaper in the long run and you get a new car. You're gonna have so much stress trying to battle them and when you lose, even worse.

It's a shame you assume I'll lose. Stress... yeah for sure.... lose... i don't lose However, to your point, if I had known it was going to have damage I certainly could have traded it in, but then someone else would get stuck with that problem, and I don't think it's right to do that.

[7TH_SIGN]

Put your pipe down. Arrow controller = No warranty. Might as well face the facts, if they cover this one, they have to cover EVERY single claim from headers, controller, etc, etc, etc and there is no way they will open that door. I haven't put my decat pipes and controller on for this reason; I have 22,000 kms on the car and am still on the fence about when to install them. It's important to accept this early because FCA might charge him disassembly labour, shop supplies for the work required to dig deeper into the motor. He could face thousands of dollars in costs and be nowhere closer to a claim only to have it denied and then they bill him for all the work. It's time to mitigate the costs. Any lawyer with half a brain will read the contract and step aside unless he is guaranteed to be paid by the complainant.

No pipe dream here. I've taken Toyota to arbitration on the grounds of lemon law and won. I was awarded a vehicle replacement of the same model and sticker price.

I'm not going to argue the Arrow PCM and FCA denying warranty coverage due to it being added. This has been argued countless times in multiple engine failure threads.

FCA is using it as a scapegoat and its clear. FCA loves people like you who are afraid to take them to court.

[Darius]

It's a shame you assume I'll lose. Stress... yeah for sure.... lose... i don't lose However, to your point, if I had known it was going to have damage I certainly could have traded it in, but then someone else would get stuck with that problem, and I don't think it's right to do that.

FCA Sure doesn't have a problem sticking it to us when they know damn well it wasn't a pcm that caused the problem.

[Darius]

I'm one of the lucky ones I haven't had a single problem on my car. Other than brake pads and front tires it's been perfect.

[dhx]

No pipe dream here man. I've taken Toyota to arbitration on the grounds of lemon law and won.

I'm not going to argue the Arrow PCM and FCA denying warranty coverage due to it being added. This has been argued countless times in multiple engine failure threads.

FCA is using it as a scapegoat and its clear. FCA loves people like you who are afraid to take them to court.

Could you share a bit about the process, how you selected your attorney, the time and money spent?