Looks like Dr Zaius gave up

[RedTanRT/10]

Frustrating thread for the OP as well as the many who try to help him pass Oregon emissions.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...ion-test/page3

Looks like he gave up and traded/sold his viper to a dealer

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Dodge-V...m=351890186940

as was mentioned in the original thread this viper has; a Mopar Performance chip,

[06SRTCoupe]

Wow that gave me a headache. It sounds like he took no ones advice and just listened to the Viper Techs.

Even I don't understand all of it but, BEFORE buying a modded Viper, do some research on passing emissions. I did just this before deciding on a Viper. I know that you can pass emissions easily with a stock tuned computer and foulers. Heck there are h/c cars out there passing emissions with no issues!

[Torquemonster06]

The dealer took the car back no questions asked. They are a VERY reputable dealership and tried to help in anyway they could. The car doesn't just have the Mopar Performance Chip. If you read the listing it has been very well gone thru. Changing just the chip wouldn't have made this car pass in the Portland area.. Last time I talked to him he was going to look for a different Viper. I almost thought about picking this one up to replace the Hulk but we got our 14 GTS before the dealer took the car back. We don't have Smog a little further south from where he is. It would deff be a really nice ride to have in some ones collection.

[Vprbite]

Regardless of whether it was the situation here, the mopar computer not passing seems to be a source of confusion fairly often. I feel like a number of times its come up that people wonder why they won't pass even though there aren't any codes. I can understand the frustration if you are new to it. Those of us who have seen it before know what's happening but many people keep looking for a solution.

[06SRTCoupe]

The dealer took the car back no questions asked. They are a VERY reputable dealership and tried to help in anyway they could. The car doesn't just have the Mopar Performance Chip. If you read the listing it has been very well gone thru. Changing just the chip wouldn't have made this car pass in the Portland area.. Last time I talked to him he was going to look for a different Viper. I almost thought about picking this one up to replace the Hulk but we got our 14 GTS before the dealer took the car back. We don't have Smog a little further south from where he is. It would deff be a really nice ride to have in some ones collection.

I read every bit of the thread. The point is, you can get almost any modded Viper out there to pass emissions and the guy didn't do his homework before buying the car. This car does not have near the mods that some others do that pass with flying colors. It's all about the right setup. Sal's Viper had a smog sticker in Delaware when he was over 1500whp...it passed emissions...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to come down on the guy but you should always know what you are getting into before you make a purchase on a modded car in a place that has emissions testing. I am happy for him that the dealership took it back. I hope he does his research this time before buying his next Viper.

[Redx]

Can I see that dyno sheet if they are making such a bold claim.

[06SRTCoupe]

Can I see that dyno sheet if they are making such a bold claim.

A bold claim? LMAO. If you don't know who Sal Patel is...ask around. He doesn't have to post a dyno slip and nor do I. His reputation at the track speaks for itself.


HIs car, on the old setup, ran 7.51@190. That equates to 1500+whp. He then does a few things to the tune and went and got a smog sticker from Delaware.

[parabs]

I don't know everything....full disclosure...I really don't.

So I google "Sam Patel Viper" and the results start with Sam Patel, the realtor...and about 7 links down there he is, the Sam Patel viper that he crashed. The first thread is him smashing up s Viper at a drag strip. Is that the rep that precedes him??? I don't get it.

Not exactly awe inspiring there. Not sure why you're all butthurt 06 but after re-reading your post you, well, you sound like a moron. Maybe I'm reading into things here...after all I don't know everything, as I disclosed above.

I suspect redx may have been talking about the lofty 649rwhp as listed on the car ad. That's a healthy number on a gen 4 with boltons.

[06SRTCoupe]

I don't know everything....full disclosure...I really don't.

So I google "Sam Patel Viper" and the results start with Sam Patel, the realtor...and about 7 links down there he is, the Sam Patel viper that he crashed. The first thread is him smashing up s Viper at a drag strip. Is that the rep that precedes him??? I don't get it.

Not exactly awe inspiring there. Not sure why you're all butthurt 06 but after re-reading your post you, well, you sound like a moron. Maybe I'm reading into things here...after all I don't know everything, as I disclosed above.

I suspect redx may have been talking about the lofty 649rwhp as listed on the car ad. That's a healthy number on a gen 4 with boltons.

You call me a moron and yet you don't even spell the guys name correctly...twice.

You're right...you don't get it...at all. The more you keep talking/bashing Sal, the more people are going to read this and laugh at your comments.

Butthurt? Hardly. I just tell it like it is. If you are too thin skinned to handle it, then perhaps you should close your account on here, sell your Viper, and go buy a Prius.

[parabs]

You call me a moron and yet you don't even spell the guys name correctly...twice.

You're right...you don't get it...at all. The more you keep talking/bashing Sal, the more people are going to read this and laugh at your comments.

Butthurt? Hardly. I just tell it like it is. If you are too thin skinned to handle it, then perhaps you should close your account on here, sell your Viper, and go buy a Prius.

Cool story bro!

[Rocket]

649 whp is a bold claim if just bolt-ons and the highest I've seen for a Gen4 with bolt ons is in the teens/low 620's. Many were frustrated when the op posted for help, and did not want to heed the advice being given.

For those that happen to search trying to get a Gen 4 to pass emissions - this is the info that I've garnered:
The Mopar PCM WILL NEVER pass an OBD inspection - as it does not recognize the secondary O2 sensor. Any OBD computer/tool will ALWAYS show that the secondary O2 sensor is NOT READY.
The stock PCM will throw codes at some point with headers.
Modded Gen 4's have passed emissions - by using the stock pcm - BUT some work is needed to temporarily fool the stock PCM from throwing a code.
- Driving technique is important during the 50-200 mile time it takes the stock PCM to reset itself and show ready when attached to the OBD device.
- One member reported using a new high flow cat installed just prior to putting on the stock pcm to get the stock pcm to not throw a code. He felt the cat's were a disposable item and worth changing out to pass emissions.
-- Some have reported that using one of the spark plug non-fowler extensions on the secondary O2 sensor will also help to get the stock PCM to not throw a code with headers (Used temporarily with stock PCM to pass emissions.)
- The O2 simulators do not seem to work with the Gen 4.
- Some headers/exhausts will not have a bung for the secondary O2 sensor after the cat - and the wiring/O2 sensor will normally be found zip tied along side in the trans tunnel.

Please feel free to add any additional insight if you have REAL experience as "hear-say" will drive people crazy trying to solve a real problem.

[FrgMstr]

649 whp is a bold claim if just bolt-ons and the highest I've seen for a Gen4 with bolt ons is in the teens/low 620's. Many were frustrated when the op posted for help, and did not want to heed the advice being given.

For those that happen to search trying to get a Gen 4 to pass emissions - this is the info that I've garnered:
The Mopar PCM WILL NEVER pass an OBD inspection - as it does not recognize the secondary O2 sensor. Any OBD computer/tool will ALWAYS show that the secondary O2 sensor is NOT READY.
The stock PCM will throw codes at some point with headers.
Modded Gen 4's have passed emissions - by using the stock pcm - BUT some work is needed to temporarily fool the stock PCM from throwing a code.
- Driving technique is important during the 50-200 mile time it takes the stock PCM to reset itself and show ready when attached to the OBD device.
- One member reported using a new high flow cat installed just prior to putting on the stock pcm to get the stock pcm to not throw a code. He felt the cat's were a disposable item and worth changing out to pass emissions.
-- Some have reported that using one of the spark plug non-fowler extensions on the secondary O2 sensor will also help to get the stock PCM to not throw a code with headers (Used temporarily with stock PCM to pass emissions.)
- The O2 simulators do not seem to work with the Gen 4.
- Some headers/exhausts will not have a bung for the secondary O2 sensor after the cat - and the wiring/O2 sensor will normally be found zip tied along side in the trans tunnel.

Please feel free to add any additional insight if you have REAL experience as "hear-say" will drive people crazy trying to solve a real problem.

Informed post by Rocket.

I run my Mopar PCM for everyday driving. It will NOT even read for inspections if they plug into the car.

The stock PCM I have tuned as my race computer. It will actually pass emissions, and it does it without any drive time needed. In Texas, you pass the plugin as long as you do not have more than one test not setup.

Emission inspections are greatly different state to state.

And yeah, 649rwhp is a bold claim, never seen one pull that high on a stock longblock. My race tune pulls 625rwhp, the Mopar around 600, and the Mopar is MUCH more driveable on the street.

[drewsss]

Another way to "pass emissions" is to get collector car insurance. That way, emissions testing isn't even required (at least that's the law in Arizona).

[Rocket]

I also considered that, and the insurance did not meet my needs (mileage limits) or cost as premiums were high???

Another way to "pass emissions" is to get collector car insurance. That way, emissions testing isn't even required (at least that's the law in Arizona).

[Rocket]

Frog - great info. Can you share more? What headers/exhaust, assuming you still have your secondary O2 sensors in place, and what was used/who did the tune on your stock PCM? Please also let us know the driving differences/characteristics and why you use the mopar vs the tuned pcm for your everyday driving?

Informed post by Rocket.

I run my Mopar PCM for everyday driving. It will NOT even read for inspections if they plug into the car.

The stock PCM I have tuned as my race computer. It will actually pass emissions, and it does it without any drive time needed. In Texas, you pass the plugin as long as you do not have more than one test not setup.

Emission inspections are greatly different state to state.

And yeah, 649rwhp is a bold claim, never seen one pull that high on a stock longblock. My race tune pulls 625rwhp, the Mopar around 600, and the Mopar is MUCH more driveable on the street.

[99RT10]

Cool story bro!

Read more, post never. It can only help you in the future.

[drewsss]

I also considered that, and the insurance did not meet my needs (mileage limits) or cost as premiums were high???

Grundy has no mileage limits, and premiums are based upon Agreed Value. My yearly premium is less than $600.

[Vprbite]

I also considered that, and the insurance did not meet my needs (mileage limits) or cost as premiums were high???

Did you call the people I gave you the information for? They couldn't get a price you liked? Many collector policies don't have mileage restrictions or you can bump it to a number that works. 8 thousand/yr or so.

[Vprbite]

Another way to "pass emissions" is to get collector car insurance. That way, emissions testing isn't even required (at least that's the law in Arizona).

Not every state has this rule. What's weird is I went to look this up for someone the other day and it's no longer on the ADEQ website. I wonder if they don't allow new registrations or they just quit being so loud about it. I'll have to check to be sure.

[Redx]

A bold claim? LMAO. If you don't know who Sal Patel is...ask around. He doesn't have to post a dyno slip and nor do I. His reputation at the track speaks for itself.


HIs car, on the old setup, ran 7.51@190. That equates to 1500+whp. He then does a few things to the tune and went and got a smog sticker from Delaware.

Can you tell sal to give me the dyno sheet then? thanks bud!

[99RT10]

Can you tell sal to give me the dyno sheet then? thanks bud!

Um, no. Move along.......................

[mnc2886]

Just a quick FYI for those of you arguing over the HP claim. I inquired about purchasing this car and it does have ported heads and intake, not just bolt ons. Given that, I don't find out of the question to claim 649 rwhp. Also, it says in the for sale add it has ported heads and intake manifold.

[06SRTCoupe]

Can you tell sal to give me the dyno sheet then? thanks bud!

Go do some research "bud". It's obvious you are new to the Viper community. The more you talk about this and question it...the more ridiculous you look. I've never seen a dyno sheet either but anyone with basic knowledge of what it takes to put a 3700lb Viper into the mid 7's at around 190 knows that is at least 1500whp.

[Rocket]

I for one hope that is a real number - and would still agree that is a very healthy number even with head work based on the limitations of the Mopar pcm.

[Redx]

Go do some research "bud". It's obvious you are new to the Viper community. The more you talk about this and question it...the more ridiculous you look. I've never seen a dyno sheet either but anyone with basic knowledge of what it takes to put a 3700lb Viper into the mid 7's at around 190 knows that is at least 1500whp.

Yup, total newbie. I don't give a shit about sals gen 2, I know it's a beast but that's not we are here for. If your going to have a 649whp viper claim, you better have the proof to back it up.