Orange TA Value

[The_Ruski_Driver]

If you say so. Lol.

Which GEN V do you have?

[ddominator1]

wow. ok guys glad i found this thread. .maybe looking to sell mine.. just am having a hard time pricing out? any help would be appreciated. 2.O YORANGE #11 1200mi, brand new, no mods, no track, no rain.. garaged 100% of time. i was pushing for mid 90s? looking ACR upgrade but really on fence?

[ACRSNK]

The OP says so too as he just sold his. Lol.

Doesn't meant that's what they are ALL fetching as we have clearly seen otherwise. I get that you are trying to defend values since you plan on selling soon, but the proof is in the cars that have actually sold, not what people are asking or have told us they have sold for without actual verification. The #26 car was sold by the original owner for $70K. Can't happen you say....well it did. Now that doesn't mean that others won't get more, as clearly they have, but it is quite amusing that eth TA owners get all butt hurt when a TA and more specifically an orange TA sells for anything less than $90K even though it has happened multiple times. Lol.

[zee]

I finally had the courage to list my TA on eBay. Let's see what happens. In absolutely no rush to sell it LOL - Thanks to the OP for sharing his experience.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Dodge-V...m=162271975854

[Dman]

Winter will be a factor, I've heard dealers say it isn't, but in my experience in selling Vipers and other toy cars for a couple decades now, winter cut the buying population either in half, or the buyers in winter states want more of a bargain in winter than say April when everyone is getting itchy to get a car to play with ASAP. So prices we see in the next few months may slip a little but not an indicator of the selling values, IMO a low mileage TA at $90k is reasonable, but not a great deal for a buyer. So it's about how fast the seller wants to sell and how fast the buyer wants a car like you're selling. Anything under $90k is sweet on a solid TA, IMO, I don't see any price diff in a 1.0 or 2.0. The 2.0 really got buried under the marketing of the 1.0 and then the ACR, shame, as it's probably the perfect spec of a Viper for 95% of buyers.

[zee]

Winter will be a factor, I've heard dealers say it isn't, but in my experience in selling Vipers and other toy cars for a couple decades now, winter cut the buying population either in half, or the buyers in winter states want more of a bargain in winter than say April when everyone is getting itchy to get a car to play with ASAP. So prices we see in the next few months may slip a little but not an indicator of the selling values, IMO a low mileage TA at $90k is reasonable, but not a great deal for a buyer. So it's about how fast the seller wants to sell and how fast the buyer wants a car like you're selling. Anything under $90k is sweet on a solid TA, IMO, I don't see any price diff in a 1.0 or 2.0. The 2.0 really got buried under the marketing of the 1.0 and then the ACR, shame, as it's probably the perfect spec of a Viper for 95% of buyers.

Agreed. I have no problem keeping mine till spring or summer if I don't get what I want

I can still enjoy it plenty every weekend here in so cal!

[Bruce H.]

I know if I were in the market to buy a previously enjoyed TA, or any other rare car, I'd be seriously looking everyday and everywhere until I found the one I wanted. It's not like there's going to be a large selection of "no stories" TA's appear in the spring anyways. If pricing was a bit softer at the time of year I found it that would be great, but finding the right car would be the primary goal. Sellers could expect fewer buyers over the winter, but possibly also the most serious. And if their car truly is in pristine condition then that serious buyer will pay a premium for that car. Sellers just need to give that right buyer enough time to discover their car, and they should have a better chance of doing that when fewer are on the market.

Pricing would vary by market. The price of a car you have no intention of inspecting or buying on the other side of the country will have little bearing on what the car is worth or what a local buyer is willing to pay for it. Savings in time, convenience, travel and vehicle transport add up fast, and buyers will consider that in their purchase offer regardless of forum pricing opinions.

[Murpowa]

Obviously within reason Bruce. If I had a mint, low mileage car "X" and put it up for sale at 100 grand when the market comparables are telling me car "X" is selling for 15 to 20% less and that's its sweet spot, well, I'm probably going to be waiting awhile to sell.

I feel like a broken record, but one thing that is NOT helping Gen V values with the majority of potential buyers is the seemingly endless QC issues, regardless of it being a low production vehicle (engine reliability, transmission syncro's, diff, rear defroster, etc)

[texasram]

Obviously within reason Bruce. If I had a mint, low mileage car "X" and put it up for sale at 100 grand when the market comparables are telling me car "X" is selling for 15 to 20% less and that's its sweet spot, well, I'm probably going to be waiting awhile to sell.

I feel like a broken record, but one thing that is NOT helping Gen V values with the majority of potential buyers is the seemingly endless QC issues, regardless of it being a low production vehicle (engine reliability, transmission syncro's, diff, rear defroster, etc)

This only slightly true, every last non-gen v owner i have spoken to knows nothing of the engine issues, and im at almost every meet/show here in houston, so cant really say engine issues are a prominent hurt for selling these

[Chipster]

This only slightly true, every last non-gen v owner i have spoken to knows nothing of the engine issues, and im at almost every meet/show here in houston, so cant really say engine issues are a prominent hurt for selling these

Definitely not the case. When I sold my Diablo earlier this year, I was very interested in getting into a Gen V, a Bentley Supersports, or a manual Gallardo. The QC stuff was a factor for me in choosing the G. Still issues happen with any car and there is a warranty so, it's not as dire as some make it out to be.

[Dman]

This only slightly true, every last non-gen v owner i have spoken to knows nothing of the engine issues, and im at almost every meet/show here in houston, so cant really say engine issues are a prominent hurt for selling these

Yea I have to agree based on my experience too. Other than the fish bowl of this forum, every person I talk to in person, has no clue of any of this, current owners and shoppers. I've yet to even meet a viper owner in person first, who is on these forums. I've met people here who I then meet in person, but not the other way around. I think we really over estimate the span of the club and forum because we're in it, one of the trees. No real media has picked up on it, oddly, thankfully.

[Terminator02]

Definitely not the case. When I sold my Diablo earlier this year, I was very interested in getting into a Gen V, a Bentley Supersports, or a manual Gallardo. The QC stuff was a factor for me in choosing the G. Still issues happen with any car and there is a warranty so, it's not as dire as some make it out to be.

less than 5% of mopar fanatics and even some viper owners that I interacted with over this past driving season knew there was a bearing issue. Some viper owners at the Annual Woodward viper event hadnt heard of any such issues but they also weren't on the forums.

The people who want the car generally already have their mind made up by the time they get into the challenger or charger from what I've seen. It's a Grail car for many. They will buy the best example when they can afford it and the engine issues will be mostly sorted anyway.

you wanted the G more than the Gen V or you would be in the gen V. The bearing issue is peanuts to cost of ownership over the life of the G vs gen V.

[Dman]

Definitely not the case. When I sold my Diablo earlier this year, I was very interested in getting into a Gen V, a Bentley Supersports, or a manual Gallardo. The QC stuff was a factor for me in choosing the G. Still issues happen with any car and there is a warranty so, it's not as dire as some make it out to be.

Good diligence on your part, but I think it's more rare than common. I scour the interwebs for car/bike info too when shopping, I'm amazed how many people don't at all, for cars and motorcycles.

[Chipster]

So because you yourself were aware of it then it is more than a slight issue? Your sample size of one?

Over 95% of hundreds of people I've interacted with over the summer even knew about the recalls and bearing issue. Hundreds. Even some viper owners at a Annual Woodward event didn't even know about it. The people who want the car generally already have their mind made up by the time they get into the challenger or charger from what I've seen. It's a Grail car for many. They will buy the best example when they can afford it and the engine issues will be mostly sorted anyway.

you wanted the G more than the Gen V or you would be in the gen V. The bearing issue is peanuts to cost of ownership over the life of the G vs gen V.

I don't disagree that majority don't know of any issues. It was said that no one who doesn't own one is aware. In terms of costs, it's doubtful because G values, especially on a manual, will hold better than most vipers. But that's digressing. It's wishful thinking to assume a Buyer who is doing their due diligence wouldn't Google issues in 5 minutes. I am a previous generation 2 owner, so I'm not hating.

Completely agree with you and DMan though, tons of buyers and potential buyers don't research any further than what they hear at the dealer.

Hell an ACR is still very tempting!

[darbgnik]

So because you yourself were aware of it then it is more than a slight issue? Your sample size of one?

Over 95% of hundreds of people I've interacted with over the summer even knew about the recalls and bearing issue. Hundreds. Even some viper owners at a Annual Woodward event didn't even know about it. The people who want the car generally already have their mind made up by the time they get into the challenger or charger from what I've seen. It's a Grail car for many. They will buy the best example when they can afford it and the engine issues will be mostly sorted anyway.

you wanted the G more than the Gen V or you would be in the gen V. The bearing issue is peanuts to cost of ownership over the life of the G vs gen V.

This might be a true statement, but it might not. I owned my G for 4 years, and it cost me nothing but oil changes and brake bleeds. I also sold it for the same price I paid for it....... although the demise of the Canadian Peso had more to do with the last.
New Lamborghini's aren't as crazy to maintain as people think. Sure a clutch change is pricey, but if you can't afford that, stay away from the drag strip. All the prices I see quoted for ACR brake components easily match exotic prices.

BTW, while I owned the G, it received a recall to prevent the car from catching fire and burning to the ground, and that didn't affect resale at all.

[Terminator02]

This might be a true statement, but it might not. I owned my G for 4 years, and it cost me nothing but oil changes and brake bleeds. I also sold it for the same price I paid for it....... although the demise of the Canadian Peso had more to do with the last.
New Lamborghini's aren't as crazy to maintain as people think. Sure a clutch change is pricey, but if you can't afford that, stay away from the drag strip. All the prices I see quoted for ACR brake components easily match exotic prices.

BTW, while I owned the G, it received a recall to prevent the car from catching fire and burning to the ground, and that didn't affect resale at all.

Good points. Hopefully it's not too bad for L ownership as the Huracan is my next purchase.

[darbgnik]

Good points. Hopefully it's not too bad for L ownership as the Huracan is my next purchase.

Good choice. I test drove a Huracan and loved it. It's truly a great car, and made up all the short comings of the Gallardo.
When I bought my Viper, I was between keeping the G and getting the Viper as well, or trade the G for the H. Fast forward a year after Viper purchase I sold the G anyway. But I think I made the right choice for me.
Better get used to impossible amounts of attention when you make the move. That was a negative point for me. But a lot of people buy them for that very reason.

[SammutRacing]

#26 sold for $70K a couple months ago. 1 owner car as well. While I agree that most are priced in the mid $80K range, what actually matters is what they are actually selling for. I think this seller found the right buyer at "well over" $90K considering there are a few out there right now "well under" $90K.

all I can say to this is I posted my car up (white TA) for sale a few months back and had 3-4 buyers from 92-95k within a month.. the 458 I wanted to sell the TA for actually ended up getting backed up into at a car show (17k in damage) the weekend before the deal was being made so I ended up canceling on the buyer of my car (felt real bad). now I have decided to run it for another season... but, the point is if you have someone that's wants a good TA they will pay 90-95k. the extra few bucks is nothing to a person looking for a particular example of a car especially when they are hard to find like a TA. for some people 5k one way or the other means absolutely nothing to get the car they want.. the problem with having the conversation on value and what people will pay is most of the time people think with there wallet, not the buyers and you never know just how bad someone wants a car. so again, 5-6K to one guy/gal may be a deal breaker but to a serous buyer looking for a particular car... 5-6k means nothing, they will happily pay it to get the car they want... just my $.02

[ViperJon]

all I can say to this is I posted my car up (white TA) for sale a few months back and had 3-4 buyers from 92-95k within a month..

You're leaving out the fact your car had like 800 miles on it if I recall....certainly unusually low.
Not really comparable to the "average" mileage a three year old car would have.

[SammutRacing]

You're leaving out the fact your car had like 800 miles on it if I recall....certainly unusually low.
Not really comparable to the "average" mileage a three year old car would have.

this is true.. but, I was thinking with a sell price over 90K his car also had low miles..

hope all is well Jon, love the ACR!

[Stealth78]

The last couple posts are absolutely correct, BUT this is where Zee (no offense bud) can't compare apples to oranges. A one owner car with 800 or even 2,000 miles on it still has it's appeal to a collector or the person that having low miles with a one owner history makes a big deal to, which is most. Zee is not going to capture the person that is willing to pay "all the money" when the car is approaching 10,000 miles and is going to be the fourth owner. In my mind it's more the fact that it's the fourth owner and if the prospective buyer has any future resale in mind selling to the 5th owner starts to raise eyebrows. Sorry Zee, you have a beautiful car, but in my mind it is no longer a "collectable". I believe you will be looking around $80K. I say this with no bias as I am not in the market right now.

[Lemur]

If you say so. Lol.

He's right, it was definitely a fluke, it was a fire sale for some bizarre reason, but don't know what...

I paid $90k even for mine with 4k miles on it and I wish I paid $92000 for one that had 1500 miles on it, that actually become the car that got the stage 2 package and somehow sold for $79k or whatever, I was literally regretting not buying it for $92000 in April and I was looking around all over at orange TA's.

[zee]

The last couple posts are absolutely correct, BUT this is where Zee (no offense bud) can't compare apples to oranges. A one owner car with 800 or even 2,000 miles on it still has it's appeal to a collector or the person that having low miles with a one owner history makes a big deal to, which is most. Zee is not going to capture the person that is willing to pay "all the money" when the car is approaching 10,000 miles and is going to be the fourth owner. In my mind it's more the fact that it's the fourth owner and if the prospective buyer has any future resale in mind selling to the 5th owner starts to raise eyebrows. Sorry Zee, you have a beautiful car, but in my mind it is no longer a "collectable". I believe you will be looking around $80K. I say this with no bias as I am not in the market right now.

I definitely don't see mine as a $90k+ car given the miles. If you saw the condition it was in then the multiple owner thing wouldn't be a big deal. I agree it may raise eyebrows to some but I have bought and sold a lot of cars and condition and the service history always trumps all the other noise. I've already got offers for much more than you stated I just am not motivated to sell. I have one guy who really wants it close to my ask but needs to sell his older ACR first. So it seems that there is clearly demand for it. Once I find the Gallardo I want I may be more motivated to sell but until then, I'm perfectly happy driving my TA

Also, I think something with higher miles may appeal to some given the motor issues. My car has been problem free and never burns a drop of oil.

[Lemur]

As a sidenote, I went on the Lambo forums to ask about Gallardo's, and I told them I owned a viper, they were pretty clear that I was going to be disappointed in it, and that I'd probably only enjoy the attention the car gets. I drove a Gallardo years ago, and I was pretty disappointed. It's just not a drivers car.

[darbgnik]

As a sidenote, I went on the Lambo forums to ask about Gallardo's, and I told them I owned a viper, they were pretty clear that I was going to be disappointed in it, and that I'd probably only enjoy the attention the car gets. I drove a Gallardo years ago, and I was pretty disappointed. It's just not a drivers car.

As a former G owner, I can agree, when measured in every performance metric, the Viper beats up on the Gallardo, LP560 included. The G is quite antiseptic in comparison. What also amazes most people is the fact the paint on my 100K Dodge was just so much better than the G. Where the G really wins though, especially the pre LP G's, with the Super G in particular, is the noise. It really is that good!

In it's native environment, the Starbucks parking lot, any Lamborghini will leave the Viper for dead. If you want to dress to impress, you can't beat a suit exiting a Lamborghini. lol. It really depends on what kind of experience you want out of a car. Excitement or cache.