Most Collectible Viper

[Granger73]

I agree that they would be desirable but certainly not a deal breaker. Dated side windows are usually with the car; black valise are readily available. I have both available for sale to any '92 owner.

[Fatboy 18]

Chassis no C45 GTS-R (race car) just sold at auction in italy for €246.476, there were no fia papers with the car so it could not be entered in any historic racing. That's some price, imagine what an Oreca car would go for!

[Fatboy 18]

There's a Broker in Italy selling a GT2 gtsr here. 100K + Commision
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C713563

[Dan Cragin]

We are planning to invest in a few of these cars. The prices are perfect right now. Knowing the car culture craze. I think the baby boomers who where coming of age when these cars came out will pay a premium in a few years.

I do think these Gen 1 cars will be like the Cobra's in the future.

My 2 cents.

[SlowPoke McGee]

We are planning to invest in a few of these cars. The prices are perfect right now. Knowing the car culture craze. I think the baby boomers who where coming of age when these cars came out will pay a premium in a few years.

I do think these Gen 1 cars will be like the Cobra's in the future.

My 2 cents.

Don't want to put you on the spot, Dan, and if you prefer to keep your cards close to your chest I understand, but I'm curious: What would you pay for that particular 92?

[slitherv10]

yeah id hate to have a yenko camaro or nova https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenko_Chevrolet
or
any of mr norms mopars

lol ! Good point Plum !!! Seems like some are unaware of these Classics .

Seems like both of you didn't read carefully. I said cosmetic variations added. The Yenko was not a cosmetic added Camaro. It was a camaro with a sipped in 427 motor. That is not a cosmetic addition. The 427 Yenko was a big hit because it was not factory installed until Don Yenko convinced the corporate big shot buddies of his to install them for him through the factory. Thus why they are so sought after.

[slitherv10]

Guys ,

The 92 and 93s have not been going for big money , but the 32K is actually not something going in the wrong direction, as most in the past have not even gone for this. These cars are almost a perfect example of the 53-54 Corvette that languished for 50 years worth zip and then they took off. Be patient and not too concerned , as these are destined for big money when the folks that have a Gen II , Gen III, Gen IV and Gen V in their collection , realize there are not any early year Gen Is in their repertoire. It will happen , hard for most buyers to spend 40-50K when that will buy a nice Gen II or Gen III.

August of 2017 , the Viper stops , and what will individuals have to do when the car is no more ??? Low numbers of the 92s and 93s will start dictating prices in the future. Heck , I have collectors who are just now buying their first Viper ( Gen V) , and I have faith in the Snake that they will be bitten and want more Generations after that.

Slither,

Hello ??? The ACR Convertible was built 100% by the folks at CAAP ( not Woodhouse ) , has it's own Dodge internal code --might be a reason some Execs at FCA would highly disagree with you. May have been our idea, but done through SRT and even involved them taking it to the wind tunnel for the unique rear wing. Nuff said.

Okk you got me there..

[Bill Pemberton]

Slither ,

Just trying to set the record straight as the car almost did not get built , but Mr. Winkles and many others accepted the challenge and viola. Dynamics of different airflows and suspension settings determined by a Coupe , meant a complete review and tests to make sure everything transferred over. Wing was too big from the ACR Coupe, Aero group wing was too small and hence changes were done to that area. The suspension proved not to be an issue and after an initial denial the car went forward ......

Short version , but you get the drift. The Passion of the SRT Engineers , over the years, is hard to deny and a revelation of their love for the car - especially since the budget for many items was barely more than a 12 year old's allowance.

[J TNT]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge Bill !
Sounds similar to the Ramcharger stories.

[Dan Cragin]

I have seen low mileage 92's going for mid 30's currently. Understand that the 92 has very few parts in common with the 93 and later cars. Its very unique and can be harder to repair than the later cars.

[v10enomous]

Do we know who has the actual Gen4 Nurburgring record breaking ACR's ?

[Vprbite]

A 92 will always be the one that started it all. A crazy experiment done by engineers with nads as big as their brains. So I see it being desireable for that reason.

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Viper exchange donated the cars didn't they? I would have figured Bernie would hold on to them.

[Fatboy 18]

One of those Gen 4 Ring ACRs is in Europe with all the signatures on the rear wing.



And the owner /driver of that car does not hang about!!!

[Purple Haze]

Bill I agree once the dust settles I think the 1992 and 1993 Vipers will go crazy. Make take a while but yes I agree...

Correct, the 20 Woodhouse Edition ACR Convertibles still have the distinction of the lowest production model built by Dodge/SRT. Though an idea from Woodhouse , the entire build , execution, wind tunnel , etc. was done by SRT and it has it's own distinct build code , etc. Therefore the cars ( done in 4 colors ) are not merely a one of one concept , but a unique model within the framework of Coupe, convertible, ACR, RT-10 ,etc. Not our words , but due to the work done by the SRT Engineers to make sure the car would work with the ACR suspension ( special wing was built for the car for instance) ,etc. a few FCA employees expressed to us that it likely could be the most valuable Viper model ever built ?

Have to believe the Shelby models and the Daytona Editions ( done by Autoform and us ) have an interesting place, as they were approved models ( from Shelby and from Daytona International Speedway) done by Dealers and are special in the way Yenko Stingers, etc. are viewed in today's market. Just my personal opinion of course.

The 92 and early 93 Vipers remind me of the 53 and 54 Corvettes. They languished for years and years until collectors realized they were the only generation missing in their group of Vettes and then overnight they went through the roof.

[Boosted Motorsports]

One of those Gen 4 Ring ACRs is in Europe with all the signatures on the rear wing.

And the owner /driver of that car does not hang about!!!

That is awesome! Would have expected it to be put into storage and forgotten for awhile. Cool that it is actually being driven around!

[v10enomous]

Wow... that's amazing. Great story now but what a story the owner will have to tell when this car is 25 or so years old.

One of those Gen 4 Ring ACRs is in Europe with all the signatures on the rear wing.



And the owner /driver of that car does not hang about!!!

[ViperJon]

One of those Gen 4 Ring ACRs is in Europe with all the signatures on the rear wing.!!

It's a long story but I will guarantee you that those are decals of the signatures on the wing not actual signatures. I owned one of the four (or five?) black and silver record setting ACR copies and a year or two after the 'Ring run I was approached by Tomball asking if I was interested in having my car upgraded to a "commemorative" version. That included the wing signature decal, new seats and other doo-dads. I didn't do it as it was expensive for some badging and the car had to be shipped to Prefix. But I know some of the other owners did.

The original hand signed car was auctioned off I believe.

[RedTanRT/10]

Do we know who has the actual Gen4 Nurburgring record breaking ACR's ?

The record holding Black/Silver band ACR resides in Las Vegas, it was won in a raffle.

[lqqk_out]

Chassis no C45 GTS-R (race car) just sold at auction in italy for €246.476, there were no fia papers with the car so it could not be entered in any historic racing. That's some price, imagine what an Oreca car would go for!

http://rmsothebys.com/tv16/duemila-r...-gts-r/1087367

This sold for quite a bit more......

http://rmsothebys.com/tv16/duemila-r...i-mc12/1086937

Another piece of Americana that sold

http://rmsothebys.com/tv16/duemila-r...ord-gt/1086911

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2016/12/...t-auction.html

http://rmsothebys.com/tv16/duemila-ruote/results/

[SilverStreak]

Guess I need to ship my Gen2 ACR to Europe then!_DSC0835.jpg

[Fatboy 18]

If you had a $2.00 Bic pen you could have sold it for $350.00 at that Auction, the bidding was Nuts!

[MalingatorGTS]

My Gen2 GTS is for sale ....buy now before someone on a website says it's worth 10x as much

[Iamchris]

Collectible is relative. Some people call McDonalds toys and Beanie Babies collectible. I'm not sure collectible is the best term, but someone is certainly capable of collecting Vipers. That Texas couple collects them already.

I think most people think of appreciation in value when they talk about collectible.

I think some Vipers will appreciate. I think that is based on desirability relative to availability. It is not dependent on low production numbers in my opinion, especially when it is something arbitrary like convertibles of a given year unless that year is already desirable... then someone who wants that year might just want that year as a convertible. The low numbers doesn't make it desirable alone unless it is something that is already collectible. People tend to collect coins and stamps though, not Vipers... most people don't need one of every option Viper ever produced.

Appreciation isn't the best concern for most buyers. You are better off with a real investment.

On the other hand, if you enjoy having a garage queen and like keeping it pristine, cool. It will probably be one of the more desirable specimens, but don't be surprised if you never retire on it.

I like garage queens because that is how I appreciate the cars, not because I want to sell it.

[Matt Dillon]

You sir have got the right mind set. Don't sell, always buy. It's been said before, I will say it again. Not driving your Viper is like not porking your hot a$$ supermodel girlfriend, saving her for the next guy down the road. Does that make any sense?!!

Do you REALLY think YOU was her First? Guy before you was probably thinking the Same thing! As far as your Analysis i'm sure most of the Women on here Appreciate it (i'd think the 92's would be up there as they were the FIRST)

[ACR08]

The ones I like the best and think will be collectible:

Gen II GTS-R
1996 B/W GTS
2002 GTS final edition
Gen IV ACRs
Gen V GTC ACR Red with white GTS stripes (because mine is about to be deliver. Thanks Bill and Woodhouse)