ACR E in for CQuartz and I drove a new 650S

[Augdog1964]

Surprised on the Land Rover too, I have a '14 Range Rover HSE and its the greatest day-to-day vehicle I've ever owned. Comfortable, capable, and dealer service is impeccable.

I don't own a McLaren yet, but talked to a BUNCH of owners... if its ownership of a 650S or any model post its make, they have all been 100% positive.

If they owned an MP4-12C there are more varied opinions. That car appears to have a quirky / spotting experience curve with owners. They did depreciate fast, they had door and automation issues, and may (even reviewers) said the car was a little soulless... it was just too robotic for some. However I have not heard the same on the 650S save those that don't care for the incredible suspension that for some is just too comfy for a sports car. I personally loved it.

I do believe that the factory went through some issues, and that the dealer network had some problems as well, especially with the results of the economic debacle and the production required to be swallowed by a new factory. Supposedly this has been addressed.

I also know that rumors have them doubling the dealer network to at least the number Ferrari has currently, so a lot of the holes in the country are to be filled.

I loved the car, and I'll be buying one of them, and a 458...

[Dman]

I found the only 2 owners of Land Rovers who haven't had an issue, lol. They definitely have a reputation, using the forums, my issue wasn't unusual. I have the limited edition HST supercharged version, died at 400 miles, electrical failure, 5 weeks in the shop for all new harnesses. When I was hopping for one, everytime I went to a dealer, there'd be multiple models they couldn't sell because they were dead on arrival and waiting weeks for parts to fix them. Good to hear Mac isn't the same. Owners on the LR/RR forum put into perspective, they are like super hot models who happen to have schizophrenia, awesome but a bit crazy. It's an awesome car & power, chose it over the SRT JGC to make the wife happy, I do get compliments all the time, not used to that from my DD SUV.

Used Mac, or AC or Calvo wrenched ACR. Hmmmm.

[Augdog1964]

When was your LR made? Mine is post TATA 2014...

[ACR Extreme]

When was your LR made? Mine is post TATA 2014...

Had six or so Land Rovers - the 2012 had a bad thermostat during a snow storm the engines started steaming 20 minutes later knowing it wasn't a good thing made it into my subdivision then the engine blew. RR replaced the engine which was 4 months out of warranty.

Back to Mclaren - people say it's got no (LSD) soul but it's mostly by those who love their Italian Horses as most are sold at a shared dealership when the Mac blows by a Ferrari that's all they could say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH9VfMaFTAQ

If they do add dealers especially one in my area will jump back ad try it again - everyone who owns a 675LT seems extremely happy.

[Dman]

When was your LR made? Mine is post TATA 2014...

It's a new 2016, 6 mos old now.

[ECMesq1]

I have a '16 RR Sport diesel that has been phenomenal. 29 mpg highway and tons of torque. Great daily driver. No issues.

[The_Don]

I can tell you from experience that you will have problems with the 12c. They won't be major issues, but expect to have problems with electronics. These are more of an annoyance than anything else, but I don't daily it so it hasn't bothered me to much. It's the little things like radio not working, ac controls being too dim, ac not being strong enough, nav screen crashing, backup camera crashing. Besides that, I have had problems with the paddle assmebly (which required replacement of the WHOLE steering wheel at $8k plus) that was covered under warrenty, but I haven't seen anyone else have that issue on the forum. Mechanically, these cars are pretty solid.

[ViperJon]

I can tell you from experience that you will have problems with the 12c. They won't be major issues, but expect to have problems with electronics. These are more of an annoyance than anything else, but I don't daily it so it hasn't bothered me to much. It's the little things like radio not working, ac controls being too dim, ac not being strong enough, nav screen crashing, backup camera crashing. Besides that, I have had problems with the paddle assmebly (which required replacement of the WHOLE steering wheel at $8k plus) that was covered under warrenty, but I haven't seen anyone else have that issue on the forum. Mechanically, these cars are pretty solid.

I agree. I know two guys that owned 12c's and they both had electronics issues. Buying an out of warranty 12c is a huge crapshoot and dealers are far and few between. Not to mention they look very plain and somewhat dated next to 650's and 570's.

[ek1]

I am on my 2nd Range Rover Sport. First one was an MY 2007, 3 year lease. In the entire time, I had two issues. One was a defective valve in the right rear air suspension compressor, the other was a dead light bulb in the center console. All fixed under warranty. The second car is MY 2013, it's my winter beater/family hauler. So far I had 2 issues. One was a steering wheel position sensor and the second one was a rattling tailgate. Both fixed under warranty. Neither car ever left me stranded and between two of them, I probably put in about 60K miles in. My wife has a 2015 Evoque that has been completely trouble free.

I absolutely love RRSs and will probably get an SVR a few years down the road. Obviously quite a few people have issues with their LRs, but their reputation as not reliable is from the 90's and needs to die already.

[ACR Steve]

Mclarens are cool because of the companies engineering pedigree. Maybe the best engineers ever in Formula 1 and other racing . Cant knock the company. For the money though I would take my ACR all day and watch the McLaren guys in my mirror on track

[Dman]

Yea, after a lot of reading, looks like a Mac is a 650S endeavor or nothing. 10.30's bone stock on an average track, and without the bugs of the 12C, and world class road course performance and ultimate comfort for a supercar. I actually like the looks of both, but I'm not a flashy kinda person any way, I find the styling to be uber cool without so in your face. But, that price point is beyond me for a car. I've not given up on an ACR with bottom end and top end work, just still in research mode. Unfortunately the mid-atlantic sucks for being a viper owner compared to TX or CA or FL, etc.

[Augdog1964]

Yea, after a lot of reading, looks like a Mac is a 650S endeavor or nothing. 10.30's bone stock on an average track, and without the bugs of the 12C, and world class road course performance and ultimate comfort for a supercar. I actually like the looks of both, but I'm not a flashy kinda person any way, I find the styling to be uber cool without so in your face. But, that price point is beyond me for a car. I've not given up on an ACR with bottom end and top end work, just still in research mode. Unfortunately the mid-atlantic sucks for being a viper owner compared to TX or CA or FL, etc.

Yes to this... however good used low mileage McLarens are just a couple years away... the depreciation curve is against everyone except Porsche 911s (till that bubble bursts) and V12 Italian cars with gated shifters...

[ACR Extreme]

Yes to this... however good used low mileage McLarens are just a couple years away... the depreciation curve is against everyone except Porsche 911s (till that bubble bursts) and V12 Italian cars with gated shifters...

Humor me.

Go test Audi's R8 V10 it's the same as a Huracan or go test a Huracan and see for yourself.

I never thought about a Lambo until the SV ran under 7 at the ring since then my perception is Audi and Lamborghini are producing the best fastest cars out there.

AWD CF tub and NA engines sounds are amazing extremely well built - it's worth taking a look.

As far as bubbles bursting - you only live once don't let everyone else have all the fun.

[Augdog1964]

Sat in the Huracan and liked it a lot... haven't driven one though...

I personally don't care for the look of the R8 in the least... in any iteration...

Most likely going to get the 458 first, and then pick up the McLaren in a year or so...

[Mark1107]

I've got a 14 white full size and a 16 full size Autobiography Range Rovers. One minor issue on both in the three years with the first and 6 months I've owned the second no problems. Both are fun to drive and very relaxing. My only wish is both had autopilot like teslas. image.jpg

[ek1]

For what it's worth, I went and sat in buddy's Huracan yesterday. GREAT driving position, comfortable yet supportive seats, good headroom (bit more than ACR). Shift paddles are too far forward (you have to stretch your fingers out to reach them, but I guess this also keeps you from pulling them by accident) and center console controls are a bit far to reach (not that it matters on track). Ergonomics are good otherwise. Owner says he loves the Huracan, but is getting rid of it and going back to a 911 Turbo S in the spring. Too much attention (mostly from people you dont want attention from).


P.S. R8? Never driven/sat in one, but the latest body sure looks like shit compared to other cars in it's class.

[ek1]

Yea, after a lot of reading, looks like a Mac is a 650S endeavor or nothing. 10.30's bone stock on an average track, and without the bugs of the 12C, and world class road course performance and ultimate comfort for a supercar. I actually like the looks of both, but I'm not a flashy kinda person any way, I find the styling to be uber cool without so in your face. But, that price point is beyond me for a car. I've not given up on an ACR with bottom end and top end work, just still in research mode. Unfortunately the mid-atlantic sucks for being a viper owner compared to TX or CA or FL, etc.

I think a lot depends on your reason for getting a car like this? Straight line speed? Track performance? Bragging rights? Looks? Daily drive-ability? Low cost of ownership? Low cost of acquisition?

Once you realize and accept the fact that you will never get all of these in one car (you may get 1 or 2 at best), your decision making process will become much easier.

One thing I can personally recommend is - make sure whatever you buy is under warranty (unless you own an oil well and have a lot of spare time to spend with your service adviser).

[Dman]

Yea, overall perf is my ticket. Top 10 like road circuit perf, and acceleration. On quickness, I don't care about HP numbers, I've built every car I've had, as a toy, over the years to a 10 sec level, and I know that's where I'm super happy in acceleration. The viper is easy to get there, normally, with the dirty block issue, I have reluctance about mods that I've not had in 17 yrs of viper ownership. With the ACR being a high 11 sec car, that's going to get old for me fast, I know this from experience. Perfect car would be ACR with H/C or a lower stage FI setup. Problem is, I need to get into the bottom end, which is a new expence and concern, so it's throwing me off. The wife loves vipers, but she also has said why not take this 'issue' with the new cars a chance to try something else, like Lambo or Mac. I have a racecar for true track enjoyment and competitively race about 8 times a season, so I get that itch scratched, but would still like to use this new toy at 1/2 miles, trackdays with friends, and other perf events. I have a '14 GT500 at about 775hp, about $183k in cash in my car account, I'm also trying to not sell the GT500, hence my budget under $200k, plus, this is getting into $ for a single car that is beyond my mental reasoning. At the cost, I'd rather have 2 toys, lol.

[swexlin]

If I had the dough, it would be a Huracan for me, with the 570 as a second choice. I live only a couple mile from the McLaren dealer here in West Chester. They bring cars to our C&C sometimes, as well as we go over there. The 570 is a helluva car, especially for the money.

[ViperJon]

The R8 would be so far down my list you couldn't even see it. They took away the unique design and it looks even more like an Audi TT. While it shares components with the Lamborghini's it isn't even in the same stratosphere in terms of exotic presence and visceral appeal. It's the compromise you get when you can't afford a Lambo or you're worried about comfort. And when you get one, you constantly have to tell people it's "just like a Lambo". But you know it isn't.....

[darbgnik]

For what it's worth, I went and sat in buddy's Huracan yesterday. GREAT driving position, comfortable yet supportive seats, good headroom (bit more than ACR). Shift paddles are too far forward (you have to stretch your fingers out to reach them, but I guess this also keeps you from pulling them by accident) and center console controls are a bit far to reach (not that it matters on track). Ergonomics are good otherwise. Owner says he loves the Huracan, but is getting rid of it and going back to a 911 Turbo S in the spring. Too much attention (mostly from people you dont want attention from).

P.S. R8? Never driven/sat in one, but the latest body sure looks like shit compared to other cars in it's class.

This is something you would really want to consider. When I bought my Viper, I test drove the Huracan, and really liked it. It's a great, fast, solid, comfortable car. I had to decide whether I wanted to keep my Gallardo and buy a Viper, or just buy the Huracan. Problem is, you will get attention from those you are not really seeking it from. The Viper gets attention too, but mostly positive for performance, the Lamborghini gets a different kind of attention, based on value, perceived or not. The questions you get are people trying to ascertain what level of baller you are, not how fast the car is.......

I ended up selling the G a year after owning the Viper anyway, but I still think a new Lambo is a little too flashy for my small city.

[sadil]

This is something you would really want to consider. When I bought my Viper, I test drove the Huracan, and really liked it. It's a great, fast, solid, comfortable car. I had to decide whether I wanted to keep my Gallardo and buy a Viper, or just buy the Huracan. Problem is, you will get attention from those you are not really seeking it from. The Viper gets attention too, but mostly positive for performance, the Lamborghini gets a different kind of attention, based on value, perceived or not. The questions you get are people trying to ascertain what level of baller you are, not how fast the car is.......

I ended up selling the G a year after owning the Viper anyway, but I still think a new Lambo is a little too flashy for my small city.

When you balling with oil money, you gotta drive a white on white lambo. Come on man, you know you gotta do it right.

[ACR Extreme]

This is something you would really want to consider. When I bought my Viper, I test drove the Huracan, and really liked it. It's a great, fast, solid, comfortable car. I had to decide whether I wanted to keep my Gallardo and buy a Viper, or just buy the Huracan. Problem is, you will get attention from those you are not really seeking it from. The Viper gets attention too, but mostly positive for performance, the Lamborghini gets a different kind of attention, based on value, perceived or not. The questions you get are people trying to ascertain what level of baller you are, not how fast the car is.......

I ended up selling the G a year after owning the Viper anyway, but I still think a new Lambo is a little too flashy for my small city.

True!

No one really knew what the Mclaren was and those that did were knowledgeable so it was always a good experience as you stated with a Viper.

The SV get's ridiculous unwanted attention and assume it's the same with all Lambo's - it's the worst part of ownership!

I never sat in an SV or Huracan before purchasing the SV - after mine was delivered sat in a Huracan if it were not for the perception would daily a Huracan. Huracan IMO is the best fit and finish most comfortable and best of all a track beast.

The new R8 is IMO good looking exact same as the Huracan mechanically - just a thought.

[v10viperbox]

The R8 would be so far down my list you couldn't even see it. They took away the unique design and it looks even more like an Audi TT. While it shares components with the Lamborghini's it isn't even in the same stratosphere in terms of exotic presence and visceral appeal. It's the compromise you get when you can't afford a Lambo or you're worried about comfort. And when you get one, you constantly have to tell people it's "just like a Lambo". But you know it isn't.....

Funny that the reason I used to DD a R8.

ACR Extreme's experience with MC dealerships and warranties mirrors my own. I could pickup a MP4 for well next to nothing considering the miles and the MSRP but man do they have issues. Every single owner I know has had software bugs and I would say 60% of them have had transmission leaks requiring complete box swap. If they would update them with the new software somehow it would be a fantastic car and they would prop up the values for people who took a risk with them when they launched the brand again.

I have no idea how you could own a Aventador though, singly handed the worst transmission I have ever experienced. Like Aston Martin auto shift bad, but I have only been in one and it had some miles and a interesting ownership history.

[ACR Extreme]

Funny that the reason I used to DD a R8.

ACR Extreme's experience with MC dealerships and warranties mirrors my own. I could pickup a MP4 for well next to nothing considering the miles and the MSRP but man do they have issues. Every single owner I know has had software bugs and I would say 60% of them have had transmission leaks requiring complete box swap. If they would update them with the new software somehow it would be a fantastic car and they would prop up the values for people who took a risk with them when they launched the brand again.

I have no idea how you could own a Aventador though, singly handed the worst transmission I have ever experienced. Like Aston Martin auto shift bad, but I have only been in one and it had some miles and a interesting ownership history.

I sold mine for what felt like next to nothing

SV has an improved single clutch over the standard AV like my 16M love those hammer shifts developed by Schumacher.

Mclaren - Apple is in negotiations for taking a major stake in Mclaren never saw that one coming.