Be very careful trying to buy Vipers guys.

**2000acr** · 07-22-2016

There are some shady -shady -shady sellers out there.

I have had 3 deals falls through lately.

Two sellers claimed clean cars, clean carfax, no paint, no accident. Only to pay for the Auto check, and see they were totaled.

Last one disclosed the AC is broken AFTER the deal was agreed to, after buying non-refundable tix, ect. Then trys to keeps the deal the same with broken AC.

Do all your homework before spending money on tix ect. Better yet find a local car. This is getting fking ridiculous with lying a.ss sellers.

**dave6666** · 07-22-2016

Common sense bro.

**ICPREY** · 07-22-2016

The one in Ohio is still a good deal and I'm pretty sure he mentioned the AC needed to be charged in his description on fb.

**2000acr** · 07-22-2016

Originally Posted by ICPREY

The one in Ohio is still a good deal and I'm pretty sure he mentioned the AC needed to be charged in his description on fb.

He said it needed a charge(60$), not new compressor (500ish). Then said 'stick your ticket up your ass', when I tried politely to work it out. Classy fella

**Geronimo** · 07-22-2016

Originally Posted by 2000acr

He said it needed a charge(60$), not new compressor (500ish). Then said 'stick your ticket up your ass', when I tried politely to work it out. Classy fella

Did he say this by text, phone or to your face?

**2000acr** · 07-22-2016

Over the phone- typically people like this would never dare face to face. He also admitted that he factored broken AC into his price, but never happened to share that with me, the buyer. I now wouldn't buy the car from him at any price. ALWAYS walk away when someone thinks they have 'leverage' since you bought a ticket and try to change the deal.

Side note. He literally had the headlights and tail light 'sprayed' with something to tint them. Not a film you can peel of. So that would have been another 1500 to fix.

**ZZ SRT** · 07-22-2016

Originally Posted by 2000acr

Side note. He literally had the headlights and tail light 'sprayed' with something to tint them. Not a film you can peel of. So that would have been another 1500 to fix.

Not true. You could sand the coating off and then wetsand and buff and they would be good as new.

**AZTVR** · 07-22-2016

This is an example of the power of the internet. You can be easily connected to bad car deals anywhere in the country. Good ones also, though.

**BFoster** · 07-22-2016

I've been on both sides of this argument buying cars online. I'm a BIG fan of pictures in high resolution, and doing a little research on the seller. I've made a lot of mistakes buying in the past, and am now fairly confident when purchasing.

Good luck in your search!

**Mbccenter** · 07-22-2016

You could apply a clear coat to the tails and headlights after sanding.

**ICPREY** · 07-23-2016

The headlights are an easy fix. A body shop could do them for about $300-$500 and that would include a new clear coat (with UV).

The seller could have just not told you about the compressor and let you go on your way. My guess is he didn't feel like giving it away and that's the reason he would not budge after troubleshooting the issue. I mean it's a clean, non wrecked 2000 ACR with descent mileage for low $30Ks (currently $32K). It even has the ACR rims that you could sell for 3k or so. Either way good luck with your search.

**2000acr** · 07-23-2016

Originally Posted by ICPREY

The headlights are an easy fix. A body shop could do them for about $300-$500 and that would include a new clear coat (with UV).

The seller could have just not told you about the compressor and let you go on your way. My guess is he didn't feel like giving it away and that's the reason he would not budge after troubleshooting the issue. I mean it's a clean, non wrecked 2000 ACR with descent mileage for low $30Ks (currently $32K). It even has the ACR rims that you could sell for 3k or so. Either way good luck with your search.

The price wasn't the issue, its over now.

**Vprbite** · 07-23-2016

In my opinion, this is exactly what you pay for when going through our respected dealers. As you said you spent money on tickets, planned for time off, etc and the deal fell through. Aside from the money of tickets, what's your time, effort, and headaches worth? Sure you pay about 3 grand more. But you know you are getting a good car and no hassles. If nothing else, you are paying for peace of mind.

My first Viper I bought through Marv Rose for this very reason. I honestly think we are lucky to have some good sponsoring dealerships who you know you will get a good car from and will back up their product.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck. Most of the people in the community and on here are good people and straight shooters. I hope you don't judge the community by the people you dealt with recently. (Going by your name you may not be new to the community but I wasn't sure.)

I hope you have better luck going forward. Anything in the classifieds here that is what you are looking for?

**ViperRT98** · 07-28-2016

Originally Posted by Vprbite

In my opinion, this is exactly what you pay for when going through our respected dealers. As you said you spent money on tickets, planned for time off, etc and the deal fell through. Aside from the money of tickets, what's your time, effort, and headaches worth? Sure you pay about 3 grand more. But you know you are getting a good car and no hassles. If nothing else, you are paying for peace of mind.

My first Viper I bought through Marv Rose for this very reason. I honestly think we are lucky to have some good sponsoring dealerships who you know you will get a good car from and will back up their product.

Sorry to hear about the bad luck. Most of the people in the community and on here are good people and straight shooters. I hope you don't judge the community by the people you dealt with recently. (Going by your name you may not be new to the community but I wasn't sure.)

I hope you have better luck going forward. Anything in the classifieds here that is what you are looking for?

We will always disagree on this topic... However it can give a first time buyer more piece of mind buying through certain dealerships....

However just because a Viper is at one of these Dealership does not mean it will be trouble free, it just means that they have looked over it and to their best of knowledge it is as advertised....

I may never say my Viper... But if I do it will be sold with confidence that it is what it is advertising for.... If it has issues it will be noted but not all people will be honest.... If I take a deposit on my car and the e deal fell through I will give back money their no reason for any person to keep it... Only low life individuals will do this IMO....

Like everyone has said we need to really inspect the car and make sure it is what it is advertising for... Parts are hard to come by so buying the right Viper is difficult and it took me some time to find mine....

**Vprbite** · 08-01-2016

Originally Posted by ViperRT98

We will always disagree on this topic... However it can give a first time buyer more piece of mind buying through certain dealerships....

However just because a Viper is at one of these Dealership does not mean it will be trouble free, it just means that they have looked over it and to their best of knowledge it is as advertised....

I may never say my Viper... But if I do it will be sold with confidence that it is what it is advertising for.... If it has issues it will be noted but not all people will be honest.... If I take a deposit on my car and the e deal fell through I will give back money their no reason for any person to keep it... Only low life individuals will do this IMO....

Like everyone has said we need to really inspect the car and make sure it is what it is advertising for... Parts are hard to come by so buying the right Viper is difficult and it took me some time to find mine....

By no means do I think buying a car from one of our big dealers is a guarantee or magically trouble free. Just that you know that it has been well looked over, repairs or updates done, and they aren't hiding anything.

For the most part, buying from a member here is similar. It's when you buy from some random dealer that bought it at auction where you have no idea about the car and a PPI will be ultra important. I got my last one from a member here and it was great. And anyone who buys from me would get the same treatment. Being around vehicles like I have, I learned that shady dealers with bad reputations don't only have bad cars. Sometimes they have good ones. It really comes down to the car. When you are looking at cars across the country, are new to the community, etc. a well respected dealer can save you time and money in the buying process and the heartache of finding out that there was frame repair or whatever else that wasn't disclosed.

My $.02

**GdBye** · 07-23-2016

There's a flip side to this equation from a Sellers perspective. I recently sold my clean 2003 Gen 3 through Auto Trader and had all kinds of interesting prospective buyers contact me. Most tried to beat me down on price and one tried a fraudulent move that deserves repeating. He offered full retail (red flag?) and said he was from North Dakota and would have someone pick up the car. He also stated that he would not pay cash but would pay through pay pal. When I told him that pay pal does not guarantee auto sales for the buyer or seller...that was the last I heard from him. I reported the incident to Auto Trader and they verified it was a scam and turned it over to the authorities. I especially enjoyed one of the prospective buyers that told me I would never get what I was asking for the car and reminded me it was a 2003, not a 2006. The next day, I informed him that it sold for asking price. That felt good. So...there are definitely good sellers and buyers out there. Just takes a lot of due diligence and patience. Hope you find what you are looking for.

**Matt M, Pa** · 07-23-2016

When I was looking to buy a gen 1 a number of years ago...I went on some wild goose chases before I bought my '96.

For better or worse, it's not just Vipers. I've looked at lots of collector cars over the years that weren't as described.

**dave6666** · 07-23-2016

Originally Posted by Matt M, Pa

...it's not just Vipers.

So just use common sense? Like with any other purchase in life?

**Matt M, Pa** · 07-23-2016

Originally Posted by dave6666

So just use common sense? Like with any other purchase in life?

Absolutely.

**SlowPoke McGee** · 07-23-2016

A 2000 ACR for $32k? Even with a broken AC compressor, that seems like a steal. What am I missing here? You may have jumped the gun bro...

**SlowPoke McGee** · 07-23-2016

But I do know how you feel. Same thing happened to me but it was an honest mistake on the seller's part. It made me back out on the deal, because I wondered what else they weren't disclosing. I don't know....there are always going to be good deals out there. A person just needs to be patient which is often the hardest part...
There's currently a 99gts supercharged near me for mid $20's...and the seller is NOT trying hard to sell it, that's for sure. He gives one or two word responses to emailed questions lol. If a person is selling cheap, does it matter though? I don't need him to wine and dine me if you know what I mean.

**2000acr** · 07-24-2016

Originally Posted by SlowPoke McGee

But I do know how you feel. Same thing happened to me but it was an honest mistake on the seller's part. It made me back out on the deal, because I wondered what else they weren't disclosing. I don't know....there are always going to be good deals out there. A person just needs to be patient which is often the hardest part...
There's currently a 99gts supercharged near me for mid $20's...and the seller is NOT trying hard to sell it, that's for sure. He gives one or two word responses to emailed questions lol. If a person is selling cheap, does it matter though? I don't need him to wine and dine me if you know what I mean.

This- I didn't buy it because it was shady, and there was no way to know what else was also untrue. If he would have just disclosed the condition up front I would have bought it. Worse of all just during the process of discussing he felt the need to run his mouth and talk crap. Right then and there I would not do business with him at any price.

**ACRucrazy** · 07-23-2016

I was so tempted on the 2000 ACR.
The only thing that held me back is my 2017 ACR order.

I was thinking 2000 ACR, Prowler, Hellcat and $$ left in the bank.. It probably would have been the better decision LOL.