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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H. View Post
    I question the fairness and value of critiquing a Viper against normal cars, those intended or often used as daily drivers, and against the metrics used for those kind of cars. After-all, the Viper is an exotic and extreme performance sports car, the more spartan TA and ACR most of all.

    Things like challenging access, limited interior space, limited outward visibility, non-typical ergonomics, unusual features and lack of more common ones, and what might be seen as a lack of refinement based on the best mass produced vehicles intended for daily use is the hallmark of an exotic where a form follows function design philosophy is the norm. The uniqueness of exotics are a result of their designer's pursuit and approach to performance, style, and individuality that sets their creation apart from all others. That individuality is the attraction to their intended buyers, embraced and celebrated by their owners, and hold tremendous appeal to the masses who simply appreciate the car for its styling and whatever details they might know about the car.

    Team Viper designed this car to satisfy their vision of the perfect ultra high performance track oriented exotic, and for those that shared that vision and desire. It's the result of a very small group of hardcore track rats and enthusiasts, and they didn't let it get altered, watered down or compromised by anyone beyond the government. I love the peculiarities of the car, every one of them, and they remind me that I'm driving something truly special. And I can't think of a single thing I'd change on it after driving and tracking it relentlessly!
    Agree completely. My tiny gripes have nothing to do with the post you just made. It has to do with bugs such as the bass not kicking on and having to mute and unmute the sound system for it to work. That's not a nuance with having a Viper but a simple patch update. Great post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H. View Post
    I question the fairness and value of critiquing a Viper against normal cars, those intended or often used as daily drivers, and against the metrics used for those kind of cars. After-all, the Viper is an exotic and extreme performance sports car, the more spartan TA and ACR most of all.

    Things like challenging access, limited interior space, limited outward visibility, non-typical ergonomics, unusual features and lack of more common ones, and what might be seen as a lack of refinement based on the best mass produced vehicles intended for daily use is the hallmark of an exotic where a form follows function design philosophy is the norm. The uniqueness of exotics are a result of their designer's pursuit and approach to performance, style, and individuality that sets their creation apart from all others. That individuality is the attraction to their intended buyers, embraced and celebrated by their owners, and hold tremendous appeal to the masses who simply appreciate the car for its styling and whatever details they might know about the car.

    Team Viper designed this car to satisfy their vision of the perfect ultra high performance track oriented exotic, and for those that shared that vision and desire. It's the result of a very small group of hardcore track rats and enthusiasts, and they didn't let it get altered, watered down or compromised by anyone beyond the government. I love the peculiarities of the car, every one of them, and they remind me that I'm driving something truly special. And I can't think of a single thing I'd change on it after driving and tracking it relentlessly!
    Agree completely - I stated in my videos that it was very hard to come up with 5 annoying things, and many of them were petty. It was more for me to put an objective hat on and see why maybe the viper isn't right for some people. Those that get it, truly appreciate the car for what it is and thats why its in my garage. I just started my channel and will be reviewing many other cars, so wanted to be as objective as possible. If you see my full review of the TA, you can see how much I truly love this car. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewilmoth View Post
    Before I bought my G5, I had no idea how to open the hood, and I consider myself a car nut. If someone searches specifically, of course they will find it, but I don't think it's common knowledge. And the massive attention the car draws is a deterent in itself, because anyone with bad intentions is probably going to be watched.
    Haha, years ago, when I bought my first Gen 3, myself and the salesman looked all over the interior, for a half an hour, for the hood latch button. We finally asked someone else.......

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    Great videos.

    I guess there is something wrong with me because there isn't anything I dislike about the car other than it needs two turbos on each side of the motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7TH_SIGN View Post
    Great videos.

    I guess there is something wrong with me because there isn't anything I dislike about the car other than it needs two turbos on each side of the motor.
    Ha! There is nothing wrong with you. Those annoying things I pointed out are pretty petty

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce h. View Post
    i question the fairness and value of critiquing a viper against normal cars, those intended or often used as daily drivers, and against the metrics used for those kind of cars. After-all, the viper is an exotic and extreme performance sports car, the more spartan ta and acr most of all.

    Things like challenging access, limited interior space, limited outward visibility, non-typical ergonomics, unusual features and lack of more common ones, and what might be seen as a lack of refinement based on the best mass produced vehicles intended for daily use is the hallmark of an exotic where a form follows function design philosophy is the norm. The uniqueness of exotics are a result of their designer's pursuit and approach to performance, style, and individuality that sets their creation apart from all others. That individuality is the attraction to their intended buyers, embraced and celebrated by their owners, and hold tremendous appeal to the masses who simply appreciate the car for its styling and whatever details they might know about the car.

    Team viper designed this car to satisfy their vision of the perfect ultra high performance track oriented exotic, and for those that shared that vision and desire. It's the result of a very small group of hardcore track rats and enthusiasts, and they didn't let it get altered, watered down or compromised by anyone beyond the government. I love the peculiarities of the car, every one of them, and they remind me that i'm driving something truly special. And i can't think of a single thing i'd change on it after driving and tracking it relentlessly!
    This ^^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7TH_SIGN View Post
    Great videos.

    I guess there is something wrong with me because there isn't anything I dislike about the car other than it needs two turbos on each side of the motor.
    One turbo on each side isn't enough?!? Lol, I kid I kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewilmoth View Post
    One turbo on each side isn't enough?!? Lol, I kid I kid.
    Haha you got me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zee View Post
    Ha! There is nothing wrong with you. Those annoying things I pointed out are pretty petty
    Zee,
    While I like the couple of videos you have produced, I feel obligated to say you completely missed the mark on the "Hate". You bought a TA (Time Attack) not a TA (Transport Accessories) your "hates" are really nothing more inconveniences. This after all is a Viper not a SL550....JM2C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Truckin View Post
    Zee,
    While I like the couple of videos you have produced, I feel obligated to say you completely missed the mark on the "Hate". You bought a TA (Time Attack) not a TA (Transport Accessories) your "hates" are really nothing more inconveniences. This after all is a Viper not a SL550....JM2C
    Fair enough my friend!! I tried to not use the word hate, but "annoy". I love the car more than anything and by far the best car I've ever owned. However, I try to keep my objective hat on and while 99% of the viper community won't agree with what I found annoying, many people outside of the viper community would likely agree. I love all types of cars and try not to drink the viper Kool Aid only. That being said, did I mention how much I love this car!!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zee View Post
    Fair enough my friend!! I tried to not use the word hate, but "annoy". I love the car more than anything and by far the best car I've ever owned. However, I try to keep my objective hat on and while 99% of the viper community won't agree with what I found annoying, many people outside of the viper community would likely agree. I love all types of cars and try not to drink the viper Kool Aid only. That being said, did I mention how much I love this car!!?!
    BTW...hood release probably wasn't an issue until you showed everyone! (just teasing;-)

    If anything your annoyances can be jotted down by Dodge for the next one.

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    I've learned to travel as light as possible. This past weekend for Carlisle, I had, in the hatch, my detailing supplies in one small gym-sized duffle, my clothes in another duffle The folding chair sits OK on the back deck, and my cooler jusssst fits in the passenger footwell. Luckily, I didn't have an passenger, or he or she would have been SOL, LOL!


 
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