Crappy Part design Windows

**bluesrt** · 05-30-2017

Or cf

**EZ 2B Green** · 05-30-2017

What is the diameter of these parts? I have some Delrin bar stock that can be machined. Delrin is very tough and it would not be too hard of a material for mounting to glass.

**AZTVR** · 05-31-2017

Originally Posted by Ludington1

Should be really easy to scan and have 3D printed in metal.

How long do you think that it would take you to get it done? What kind of metal would you be using, given the application?

**bluesrt** · 05-31-2017

and if its got txts or wheels, its gonna give you problems/ ooops

**Ludington1** · 05-31-2017

Originally Posted by AZTVR

How long do you think that it would take you to get it done? What kind of metal would you be using, given the application?

I had some small parts done recently for an old gun, and it took probably 10 days to get the scan and maybe another 10 to get printed. In my humble opinion, someone like Doug Shelby could easily manage the manufacturing and also has the retail front to keep these available long-term. He knows these materials better than I do, but one I had done in nylon and the other in a mix of stainless and bronze.

Darren

**AZTVR** · 05-31-2017

I am not an owner yet; but, have made an offer on a couple of 2013s so far and am potentially going to face this issue, that is why I am interested, besides just my engineering curiosity. I can see making these parts out of delrin or some other plastic; but, metal seems like not a good idea. It appears to me that they used plastic as a buffer between the metal lift plate and the glass so that there would be less stress on the glass. Using metal washers may result in broken glass instead of broken washers.
Then, the question is, how hard can the plastic be? Is delrin acceptable in this application?

**ViperPete** · 05-31-2017

Someone make a set of these and i'll buy them. I'm on my 3rd passenger window dealer visit for the broken tabs.

**ViperSmith** · 05-31-2017

Originally Posted by AZTVR

I am not an owner yet; but, have made an offer on a couple of 2013s so far and am potentially going to face this issue, that is why I am interested, besides just my engineering curiosity. I can see making these parts out of delrin or some other plastic; but, metal seems like not a good idea. It appears to me that they used plastic as a buffer between the metal lift plate and the glass so that there would be less stress on the glass. Using metal washers may result in broken glass instead of broken washers.
Then, the question is, how hard can the plastic be? Is delrin acceptable in this application?

i know a good 2015

good luck with purchase! glad to see you aren't out of the hunt!

**ViperSmith** · 05-31-2017

i wonder if it is more than just bad clips

i use the auto up and down all the time in mine and (knock on wood) been just fine. i wonder if it is an internal issue and this is just a symptom?

**ViperSRT** · 05-31-2017

At plant delivery they mentioned never using the window to close the door. Wonder if that was part of it as I have not had the issue with a first year Gen 3 with something like 45k.

**ViperPete** · 05-31-2017

Also... dont slam the doors! I can think of 2 of the broken clips being my wifes fault. Gotta be gentle! There is a lot of pressure on the windows when they are shut.

**swexlin** · 05-31-2017

Originally Posted by ViperPete

Also... dont slam the doors! I can think of 2 of the broken clips being my wifes fault. Gotta be gentle! There is a lot of pressure on the windows when they are shut.

I was going to mention this as well. Shut firmly, but no slamming. Includes from the inside as well.

**Anton28** · 07-06-2017

Well both mine failed within just miles from each other. Car is at the dealer and I can ask for the broken part and can mail it to who ever wants to scan it and see if they can replicate it if that helps.

Do you guys have a graph or picture that shows exactly where this part is located and what it actually does?

**Anton28** · 07-07-2017

delete

**viperguy69** · 07-08-2017

I guess this is really the original reason why the Gen I did not have an integrated windows system... crappy window designs!
I bet they wish they would have never put in those power windows now... I would just - Take them out!
I am now beginning to believe the below was really a FCA commissioned Viper prototype for the GEN 6 Viper; no doors, no windows, no 4th wheel, and no real engine! LOL

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**SSGNRDZ_28** · 07-08-2017

Send to me if you like they are attached to the window I believe. I have a regulator already.

**AZTVR** · 07-08-2017

Originally Posted by Anton28

Do you guys have a graph or picture that shows exactly where this part is located and what it actually does?

The parts involved have been pictured in the following posts. It is not been posted whether only the inside or outside part fails or both or if that is actually the cause of the failure as opposed to the cause possibly being that the bolt comes loose?
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post224714
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post226966
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post299262
The parts supposedly are supplied with the glass. I have not seen anyone post a picture of the parts as mounted on the glass. I would like to see that; but, since I am still looking to buy a Gen V I am only in the concerned phase as a future owner of this problem and don't have access to the parts.
Since the lifter mechanism is the same mechanism for gen 4 & 5, I assume that they are mounted and look similar to this Gen 4 door glass, but, I am not sure.

Gen 4 Door Glass:
glass 2.jpg glass 3.jpg glass 5.jpg glass 9.jpg glass 11.jpg

**Anton28** · 07-08-2017

Originally Posted by AZTVR

The parts involved have been pictured in the following posts. It is not been posted whether only the inside or outside part fails or both or if that is actually the cause of the failure as opposed to the cause possibly being that the bolt comes loose?
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post224714
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post226966
https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post299262
The parts supposedly are supplied with the glass. I have not seen anyone post a picture of the parts as mounted on the glass. I would like to see that; but, since I am still looking to buy a Gen V I am only in the concerned phase as a future owner of this problem and don't have access to the parts.
Since the lifter mechanism is the same mechanism for gen 4 & 5, I assume that they are mounted and look similar to this Gen 4 door glass, but, I am not sure.

Gen 4 Door Glass:
glass 2.jpg glass 3.jpg glass 5.jpg glass 9.jpg glass 11.jpg

This is very helpful Thank you! Now I completely understand whats going on and how it fails.

**Viper Girl** · 07-08-2017

Originally Posted by SSGNRDZ_28

Send to me if you like they are attached to the window I believe. I have a regulator already.

Doug, do you think you need the glass too? Maybe Andy can supply you with a glass unit that still has one clip intact. Then you could test fitment of your new machined part.

**Space Truckin** · 07-08-2017

DSE will make it BETTER...

**AZTVR** · 07-08-2017

I still would like to hear if anyone has determined what the root cause of the failure is?

We certainly do need the plastic parts to be made to fix failed units; but, did they fail because of the plastic parts or did they fail for some other reason, such as the bolt coming loose? Is the fix for people who haven't had a failure yet as simple as some loctite and a proper torque?

What makes me ask this is post 1 of the following thread https://driveviper.com/forums/thread...l=1#post299262 which pictures parts that came off that were held in place by a bolt and a threaded fastener. How did they end up loose in the door unless the bolt came loose from the threaded fastener? They are not cracked in half so they couldn't have come off a still threaded bolt and nut. Is it because the fasteners were not tight enough, assembled at an inadequate torque, or the threads don't have enough holding friction, or because the plastic piece shrinks or compresses over time, heat, or usage and causes a loss of torque on the fastener? So, will a replacement plastic piece just temporarily fix the problem rather than addressing the root cause?

**viperguy69** · 07-08-2017

Here is the Gen V window... looks like they went from metal to plastic. Plastic my be a little too rigid and not enough give during manufacturing.

Outside Glass
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Inside Glass
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The sandwich
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