My New ACR is Faster then a Porsche Cup Car

[ACR Steve]

So I was at NJMP on Monday with my race car and my ACR (ACR's first track day) It was 95% race cars more of a test and tune for us to get ready for the race season

Took the Cup car out in the AM then the Viper was going to be in the afternoon.

After writing down on a piece of tape strapped to my leg the brake in procedures for the brakes (long list ) I beaded them for the track.I wasn't sure how the car would be with my track alignment . Well it was flat out awesome

It was very neutral and the brakes were amazing. I knew the car was fast but didn't know how fast until my buddy with a 997 Cup was out with me.(hes not slow and does podium) I had the Race shop owner that works on my race car as a passenger and we caught the 997 Cup . If I was on slicks with no passenger I know the car would be 2+ seconds faster . Insane

By the way I hold the 996 Cup lap record there at a 1:23.54 (no chicane) That's about what the ACR can run there

Its still a street car no where as tight and precise as my Cup car but still rewarding and Easy to drive on track.

[J TNT]

Wow , very impressive ! Definately speaks volumes to your track talent and Team Viper Engineering ! Hope someone from FCA is seeing this !

[FLATOUT]

Damn! Steve that is awesome! Way to go dude!

Andy

[swexlin]

This is very cool. I'm confused by this statement:

"Its still a street car no where as tight and precise as my Cup car but still rewarding and Easy to drive on track"

You're saying the Cup is better on the street? But ACR better on track, right?

[VENOM V]

I have yet to be beat by any car but another Gen V ACR at the track. They are amazing machines! I think a well driven late model Porsche Cup would give us a run for our money, however the ones I've driven against didn't have anything for the Dodge.

[txA&M08]

This is very cool. I'm confused by this statement:

"Its still a street car no where as tight and precise as my Cup car but still rewarding and Easy to drive on track"

You're saying the Cup is better on the street? But ACR better on track, right?

I read that as "the cup car is tighter and more precise on track, while the ACR is a bit softer sprung and a better street car, but still more than competent on track."

[Jabba954]

This is very cool. I'm confused by this statement:

"Its still a street car no where as tight and precise as my Cup car but still rewarding and Easy to drive on track"

You're saying the Cup is better on the street? But ACR better on track, right?

Believe he's saying - "The Viper is still a streetcar, so it is still nowhere near as tight and precise as my Cup car on track, but the Viper is still rewarding and easy to drive on the track."

[Snakebit10]

Yep that was my take on his comment about the ACR vs Cup car on track. That's why it always kills me when someone says that the Viper is an all out race car so it should not be compared to the Z06, GT3 etc. I've heard this a few times on different forums. A full on race car doesn't have comfy streetable seats, AC/Heat, stereo and all the streetcar compromises that make it softer and less precise than a full on race car. Incredible that it can run with a cup car that is a full on race car. Just incredible.

[greygt3]

That's been my experience as well. It's a cheater car!!!!

[plumcrazy]

steve id like to see your times on the same day in both cars and compare. glad to hear youre having fun

[38D]

That's why it always kills me when someone says that the Viper is an all out race car so it should not be compared to the Z06, GT3 etc.

The big difference is the weight. Race cars don't weigh 3400lbs.

Having raced with Steve in PCA (different classes though), he's no slouch . 1:23 at NJMP Thunderbolt is legit fast.

[dmann]

Thanks for sharing Steve, Makes me want one all the more.

[Vprbite]

Nice to hear. That car is an absolute monster that has been unleashed on tracks all over the US.

[Snakebit10]

The big difference is the weight. Race cars don't weigh 3400lbs.

Having raced with Steve in PCA (different classes though), he's no slouch . 1:23 at NJMP Thunderbolt is legit fast.

Exactly. It's a full weight street car with aero, suspension and tires. Also it's among the heaviest of the Gen5 models. It's not a stripped down barely street legal car as many try to make it appear to be simply because it crushes their favorite track/street car.

[NT-ACR]

Exactly. It's a full weight street car with aero, suspension and tires. Also it's among the heaviest of the Gen5 models. It's not a stripped down barely street legal car as many try to make it appear to be simply because it crushes their favorite track/street car.

I'll agree with you to a degree but the ACR is fairly stripped out in base trim. For instance, I'd consider removing all the sound deadening from a vehicle stripping it. Yes, I understand they could have removed the stereo and air conditioning like the last gen hardcore model but most sane individuals wouldn't go for that.

Also, it's interesting to look at the weights of the various Viper models:

TA- 3,332 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2014-srt-viper-ta/

ACR- 3,368 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...he-911-gt3-rs/

GTS- 3,357 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-...srt-viper-gts/

[Trainerdave]

People on the corvette forum are the ones who make the most ludicrous claims about the ACR being a barely legal street car, there is a 13 page topic going on over there on what mods it would take to beat an ACR, it's really pathetic.

[Snakebit10]

I'll agree with you to a degree but the ACR is fairly stripped out in base trim. For instance, I'd consider removing all the sound deadening from a vehicle stripping it. Yes, I understand they could have removed the stereo and air conditioning like the last gen hardcore model but most sane individuals wouldn't go for that.

Also, it's interesting to look at the weights of the various Viper models:

TA- 3,332 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2014-srt-viper-ta/

ACR- 3,368 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...he-911-gt3-rs/

GTS- 3,357 lb

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-...srt-viper-gts/

Yes the very base model can come with stripped out sound deadening. But it can be added back in if the owner plans on street driving which many have done.

An ACR can come just as fully equipped as any other Viper model including top of the line leather, 18 speaker sound system etc. Some always want to quote the base model but seem to forget the ACR is fully capable of being optioned with all of the street car accoutrements one would want in a street car which pushes the weight up to around 3400lbs +. If the owner only will get one for the track that's what the base is geared for.

[LmeaViper]

Awesome. Would you have any video by chance?

[NT-ACR]

Yes the very base model can come with stripped out sound deadening. But it can be added back in if the owner plans on street driving which many have done.

An ACR can come just as fully equipped as any other Viper model including top of the line leather, 18 speaker sound system etc. Some always want to quote the base model but seem to forget the ACR is fully capable of being optioned with all of the street car accoutrements one would want in a street car which pushes the weight up to around 3400lbs +. If the owner only will get one for the track that's what the base is geared for.

Did you even read the comment I replied to? I know full well that owners can have the nicer interior and top of the line audio system installed if they want it. However, the individual I replied to was stating that the ACR isn't stripped down and I was just pointing out that, depending on the trim, it is technically stripped down.

On a separate note, how is it that Dodge can make such an amazing machine as the ACR but still can't figure out how to eliminate the exhaust drone issue or the e brake wear issue?

[Darius]

Every time I finish a session in my ACR I'm blown away. The car is so fast and hooked up it's scary how fast you can hit high speed turns. The faster you go the better the car handles. It isn't a cheap car to run though with how fast it eats tires and brake pads.

[Snakebit10]

Did you even read the comment I replied to? I know full well that owners can have the nicer interior and top of the line audio system installed if they want it. However, the individual I replied to was stating that the ACR isn't stripped down and I was just pointing out that, depending on the trim, it is technically stripped down.

On a separate note, how is it that Dodge can make such an amazing machine as the ACR but still can't figure out how to eliminate the exhaust drone issue or the e brake wear issue?

The comment you replied to was mine. LOL. Btw I wasn't specifically getting at you with that post. I was speaking in general as to some of the silly arguments I've heard on other forums to invalidate the Viper etc. I wasn't directing it at you but I can see how it came across like that.

[ACR Steve]

sorry was away this weekend with sons football

Thanks guys the car really is amazing

Swexlin- Cup car is not street legal (Factory race car ) ACR is an insane streetcar on the track. Better then most race cars but its still a street car. Not a purpose built race car. ( No cage to stiffen chassis , not seam welded by the factory etc.) But even with out that it beats most race cars

Love to see what the car could do with slicks

38 D - I am racing in the Lime Rock PCA race Fri Sat are you racing in it?

[38D]

38 D - I am racing in the Lime Rock PCA race Fri Sat are you racing in it?

Unfortunately no. I'm still building a car for GT5, and there is no one to race in C1 anymore as all the 964 cups are gone. Hoping to have my GT5 car ready for the 2017 season...of course that is what I said about 2016 too!

[Boba Fett]

Steve, this is just awesome. Congrats!! Lets get some driving done soon!

[ACR Steve]

Anytime my friend . If you need some brake in miles come on up to Lime Rock Sat I have a race with PCA. Its our first North East race. Should be some great racing