The guy that spent 2 weeks posting 2000hp of fuel consumption isn't allowed to say the word "Turning" for at least a month.
+rep, that was so funny S**T
Well played...well played.
It hasn't been in beta since the release of VCM Suite 3.0, and that was back on February 1st of this year. They just released VCM Suite 3.2 back in June. It still isn't a fully developed solution (being able to adjust knock sensitivity would be nice, as would a few other things I've addressed over on the HPT forum), but it definitely isn't beta.
As for the reference to the 5-10 bolt-on cars going into limp mode, that was a known and well documented issue with adjusting one table for better throttle response. That was also VERY early on (about 2 years ago at this point), pretty much right after the product hit the market, and people were still trying to figure out what worked and what didn't. If a bolt-on car is going into limp mode with HPT these days, it's because the guy clicking the mouse did something wrong. Suggesting otherwise is misleading at best.
What? Am I in charge of what they do with their car? They went with an auto to get 1/4 mile records and they accomplished it. Seems like it runs well to me.
Ok well maybe it will get there? Saying people shouldn't use it doesn't make sense. You use it unless your sig is off. Guess you are comfortable with beta? Or maybe it's not as rudimentary as some imply?As has been stated, HPTuners is a beta product. It may evolve to a damn good solution for boosted applications. It does not appear to be there yet.
If wanting further details on stock ECU tuned examples is running someone through the ringer well then so be it. They posted this thread themselves. I didn't even know about the Stage 6 setup on HP Tuners or that anyone cracked quadruple digits on the stock ECU until this thread. I'm learning and I hope others are too about their options. How else do you propose to utilize a forum?
I don't know how many times I need to say I think Calvo's offering is a great product. $55k cash is a lot of money to me and I'm not prepared to dump it on a turbo kit worth more than 50% of the value of the car. Some people don't mind. Good for them, it's all relative.
The point is the Calvo tuner continually pushes his approach as the only approach. I think that's pretty lame. Especially considering people are doing all kinds of interesting things all kinds of different ways. He discounted D3PE and they went out and took the 1/4 mile record. If that isn't showing the capability of stock ECU tuned force induction Gen V cars I don't know what is.
Let's not forget the Dodge engineers specifically put forged internals in this motor for those who want to run nitrous or turbos. It's a strong engine. They knew people would boost it. People are even doing it on the stock ECU and it's holding together. This motor makes quadruple digits without breaking a sweat. Even on the stock ECU as nitrous build after nitrous build has shown.
I'm not appreciating what exactly? Their turbo setup is great. The Motec is great. What I don't appreciate is a 'tuner' misleading an entire forum that his way is the only way.
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If you are as good of a tuner as you want the forum to think you are why don't you help them out? Or would that cut into the profit margin?
It's just a matter of time before it's figured out. All stock DME tuning on every platform evolves. I think it's encouraging that we are seeing what we are seeing already. I like to think positively of what can be done instead of trying to make it seem like it can't be done.
Much respect to those pushing the Gen V and stock ECU tuning. Someone has to do it...
Desperate troll is desperate and still trolling.
It's time to close this thread.
It certainly takes one to know one. Your posts regarding what D3PE does with their Viper being my responsibility add a ton to the thread. Not to mention your pointless insults that you throw around.
Could have sworn the topic was a stock ECU tuned twin turbo Viper. Sorry people wanting to discuss this and learn about the pros and cons bothers you so much. Maybe you're the troll? Go read a different thread if you have nothing to contribute other than asking for it to be closed because you can't handle it.
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Get a room you two.
What is there to discuss? The shop and tuner have posted opinions on it. You're the only one still on it. It seems the only issue you have is Collin not liking HPT, where in reality that just doesn't matter. If Calvo doesn't want to pursue it anymore, you being a cry baby about it on the internet isn't going to change that.
When do you start working on HP tuning with a TT Viper? Since you're so dead set on it working I assume you have or have intentions of building a boosted Gen5?
They are welcome to their opinions. What, I'm not welcome to mine? It also means HP Tuners discussion ceases as a whole?
Whether someone likes or dislikes HP Tuners or stock ECU tuning is irrelevant. It is still pertinent to Gen V forced induction discussion as a whole.
I don't care if Calvo wants to pursue it or not, so what? The discussion as a whole can move forward with or without Calvo's blesing. They can do whatever they want as it's their business. I'm not dead set on it working but I'm certainly interested in those who have tried or have it working. The discussion on stock ECU tuning doesn't end because Calvo's tuner doesn't like it.
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My 14 year old has more cogent arguments.
You cited D3PE to support your argument. There is no proof that they have had success with a manual transmission, stock engine, Force Induction Viper. Like many, I love the idea of a F1X on a Viper, there is just no proof that it works...yet.
I wish you the best on your pursuits. But your childlike demeanor on this forum is not going to behoove many to share information with you.
Calvo tried a HPT TT car and deemed it unsuccessful. Feel free to start another thread, imploring to hear of the success of others.
Most vendors are going to be leery of posting in another shop's thread.
You'll likely dismiss this advice, it's what children do.
He must take after his mom.
Seriously? LOL, even Hennessey is selling the D3PE kit. They used an auto because an auto is easier to launch on the strip. The kit worked fine with a manual. Why would the transmission choice mean the blower doesn't work? Huh?You cited D3PE to support your argument. There is no proof that they have had success with a manual transmission, stock engine, Force Induction Viper. Like many, I love the idea of a F1X on a Viper, there is just no proof that it works...yet.
I don't care what you wish me as I have no respect for your opinion at this point.I wish you the best on your pursuits. But your childlike demeanor on this forum is not going to behoove many to share information with you.
So what? This means an HPT tuned TT car is impossible or that others can't do it? Did you ignore the posts about other attempts by other people?Calvo tried a HPT TT car and deemed it unsuccessful.
No, it's what adults do when someone who has no idea what they're talking about tries to sound like they do. You just smile, nod, laugh to yourself, and move on.You'll likely dismiss this advice, it's what children do.
Load
Torque management on the shifts
Wheel spin
Just a few things the auto changes drastically
Strange how someone who isn't building FI cars at all knows more and better than people who use it daily to build FI cars.
All that really needs to be said here is that not a single FI car without an auto on HPT has made it to any events. At all. And the one auto that did went into limp mode after every burnout. I've given you numerous examples of cars that have consistently had limp mode issues, but yet you still "feel" like I'm being biased because I like a product that works 100% every time. We tried HPT on boost multiple times, and were never satisfied with it. I tried, James tried, and none of us were content. I developed a product that works, and it's what we're sticking with. Period.
But again, you're welcome to buy HPT for your car and start playing with it. Then you can fab up your own turbo kit and show us all how it's done. If you manage to pull it off, you'll surely sell a number of kits, so have at it.
Didn't D3PE take the 1/4 mile record from you with a centrifugal when you're running turbos? Why aren't you talking about that? More power and torque yet you're slower? Why aren't you getting out to a strip or have you admitted defeat? Why are you creating arbitrary requirements for a system to work?
All you talk about is limp mode issues that cars had in the past. Big deal, like your Motec setup worked flawlessly the moment a harness was created.
I'm welcome to buy HPT and fab up a kit and sell it? Cool. The thing is I won't do that. I have no vested monetary interest in this topic. You do. That alone says plenty about why you push the Motec so hard.
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Penis envy and common sense are synonyms now. Heh, the Viper world sure is interesting. Especially with the fragile egos.
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