ViperExchange Heads/Cam car goes 10.5@139

[FLATOUT]

I would really like to see the difference in traps between the Race gas tune and the 93 pump tune.

Andy you were on MS109 and the race tune for all the runs right? Didn't swap ECUs?

See my response above, and our runs at Project X were on regular 93 with the regular Heads and Cam ECU for comparison.

[FLATOUT]

Thank you Nineball and Ripper.

Bingo! Exactly what needed to be said. Thanks Tony

Props Andy!!! Keep up the great work as there are many of us that really appreciate it

[Crotalidae]

Awesome Andy!!!

[KB Viper]

Andy--i remember you mentioning that arrow might come out with a race gas tune, i can't wait to see your times on race gas and with a new clutch. On a side note my car is running absolutely great. That heads and cam package added so much more than HP&TQ. it's a completely different car and i love it!
Kris

[7TH_SIGN]

So the car wasn't on 93 oct on these runs? Interesting.

[1.8t]

Not to question the validity or the performance of this package, but the drag runs need to be on 93oct with the standard delivered tune to be 100% valid even if nothing "should" change. Preferably, I would like to see a normal wheel/tire setup as well instead of the skinnies up front. That's said, happy to see VE making a strong effort at the drag strip.

[FLATOUT]

Not to question the validity or the performance of this package, but the drag runs need to be on 93oct with the standard delivered tune to be 100% valid even if nothing "should" change. Preferably, I would like to see a normal wheel/tire setup as well instead of the skinnies up front. That's said, happy to see VE making a strong effort at the drag strip.

The one thing that I have learned through out this process is that no matter how many runs I make, no matter how the car is setup, no matter who I run, no matter what dyno I am on, no matter what the weather conditions are, no matter how honest I am or how much I disclose there are always people that doubt it, don't like the comparison, don't think it's accurate, want something else. I have honestly become tired of trying to make everyone happy, it's exhausting and very expensive for me personally.

This is a list of events that have taken place in video so you can see what I mean:

First start up video of my car, first car we ever did outside of Arrow.



First street drive.



Requested idle vid.



Requested street pull.



Requested street pull against a stock car.



Dyno vid.



Autocross after driving from Houston to Steamboat CO



Road race vids during our temp discussions.



Another requested exhaust idle video of a "customer" car not my car.



Then I ran the exact cars people wanted to see me run in full street trim, 93 octane, and sidewinder 2's just like I drive it everyday. FYI if you want to see the difference between a 134mph car and what the heads and cam cars run on 93 octane in full street trim this is the best video to watch.



And then a drag strip run.

[FLATOUT]

Also in a strange turn of events I drove the car that went 10.4@134 today. Elie is a friend of ours and I was dropping off a Hellcat to his shop and drove his comp blue car back to ViperExchange for some warranty repairs and an oil change. His car is no different than the other fast header cars here on the forum, car was still on the drag radials from his Saturday track day with 18psi in the rear tires and 44 psi in the fronts.

[FLATOUT]

Andy--i remember you mentioning that arrow might come out with a race gas tune, i can't wait to see your times on race gas and with a new clutch. On a side note my car is running absolutely great. That heads and cam package added so much more than HP&TQ. it's a completely different car and i love it!
Kris

Thanks KB yes we are working on the race gas tune and will most likely release it as an additional option for Heads/Cam owners for straight line days. This first attempt was very conservative. We are going to work on it some more. Glad you are enjoying the car I bet it feels new again

Andy

[FLATOUT]

So the car wasn't on 93 oct on these runs? Interesting.

On the stock heads cam ecu anything above 95 octane will lose peak power. I felt like we had too much octane with the new ECU in it for peak power as well. I actually wanted to mix it down to 95 but was probably at about 100.

[V10powerr]

andy, i am sorry as my goal was not to make you feel unappreciated. you take great pride in what you do and are good at it.
its a bad feeling when someone puts out a great product and their heart into it and gets unappreciated. defineltepy not my attention.
keep up the great work and keep us involved.
the h/c package has its own charm, reliability and warranty associated with it. i may be calling you soon re this.

as for nineball, you can read whatever you want into my post as i could care less about what you think and your related ego.

[FLATOUT]

Hey guys and this goes for everyone. I do realize it's hard to get the exact setup or exact combination of parts or tests to satisfy everyones questions.

What I am asking you to do is look through all of those videos. At some point in the life of this project recorded on video is an answer to a potential question. The videos with Slowhatch and 345spinnin are a great example of pure non traction limited acceleration data between a bolton and another heads and cam car with good drivers in a controlled environment on a full street setup.

I had multiple ECU's to run this past weekend at the drag strip but with the clutch issues we had it didn't really matter as we felt we didn't even get the clean run we wanted to on the new ECU we were testing. We'll go out again but I can tell you I will never run at the drag strip on my street wheels. I'll be on a different clutch next time as well.

andy, i am sorry as my goal was not to make you feel unappreciated. you take great pride in what you do and are good at it.
its a bad feeling when someone puts out a great product and their heart into it and gets unappreciated. defineltepy not my attention.
keep up the great work and keep us involved.
the h/c package has its own charm, reliability and warranty associated with it. i may be calling you soon re this.

as for nineball, you can read whatever you want into my post as i could care less about what you think and your related ego.

No worries we had a lot of good back and forth about info that matters when comparing cars.

[Evan@D3PE]

The one thing that I have learned through out this process is that no matter how many runs I make, no matter how the car is setup, no matter who I run, no matter what dyno I am on, no matter what the weather conditions are, no matter how honest I am or how much I disclose there are always people that doubt it, don't like the comparison, don't think it's accurate, want something else. I have honestly become tired of trying to make everyone happy, it's exhausting and very expensive for me personally.

Preach on brotha!

[J TNT]

Andy your post's and technical info are a great asset to the Viper community , and I always look forward to your insight !
Funny how some forget the limited options we had as a community 5 to 10 years ago , I guess you can never do enough for some people ?
Keep up the great work Andy and all the best in forging ahead !

[Greg Good]

Nice runs Andy. Congrats.

[FLATOUT]

Andy your post's and technical info are a great asset to the Viper community , and I always look forward to your insight !
Funny how some forget the limited options we had as a community 5 to 10 years ago , I guess you can never do enough for some people ?
Keep up the great work Andy and all the best in forging ahead !

I think perspective is what matters and you seem to have it. Like you mention where were we 5 years ago with the Gen IV's to where we are today. It's a really fun time and I think everyone is excited about the learning process with all of the new options and it was a great day for all of us at the track on Sunday. It's always great seeing a bunch of Vipers at the track wether it's road course or 1/4 mile.

Nice runs Andy. Congrats.

Thanks Greg!

[7TH_SIGN]

On the stock heads cam ecu anything above 95 octane will lose peak power. I felt like we had too much octane with the new ECU in it for peak power as well. I actually wanted to mix it down to 95 but was probably at about 100.

Cool. Do you plan on going back and seeing how it does on 93?

Also I wasn't trying to attack your integrity. I was under the impression this was 93 octain. The H/C package is becoming appealing but more interested in how it does on 93 octain as I'm tired of race gas from my Supra days lol.

As always thanks for your contributions to our community.

[Jprince]

I can tell you that the h/c setup is a big jump in power over the bolt on's and Ecu. I have a different set of tires coming to try and harness all of the extra power. Anyone that wants to really make their viper come alive needs to give Andy a call. Also if you really want a HUGE improvement in brakes, ask Andy about the big brake kit. It was also an improvement well worth the money.

[FLATOUT]

Cool. Do you plan on going back and seeing how it does on 93?

Also I wasn't trying to attack your integrity. I was under the impression this was 93 octain. The H/C package is becoming appealing but more interested in how it does on 93 octain as I'm tired of race gas from my Supra days lol.

As always thanks for your contributions to our community.

Yes Sir I planned on running both that day as well but it is what it is. I have run them back to back on the street and couldn't tell much difference which is why we will most likely push it further.

[Jack B]

Andy:

Nice results and a good effort, I am with you there are certain people on this forum that you cannot make happy. It is though they want to hear themselves talk and no matter what has been accomplished, it is not enough. Those individuals should go out and accomplish something themselves and then post it, not tear down what someone else has worked for. AGAIN, good stuff Andy.


QUOTE=FLATOUT;183730]The one thing that I have learned through out this process is that no matter how many runs I make, no matter how the car is setup, no matter who I run, no matter what dyno I am on, no matter what the weather conditions are, no matter how honest I am or how much I disclose there are always people that doubt it, don't like the comparison, don't think it's accurate, want something else. I have honestly become tired of trying to make everyone happy, it's exhausting and very expensive for me personally.

This is a list of events that have taken place in video so you can see what I mean:



Then I ran th]e exact cars people wanted to see me run in full street trim, 93 octane, and sidewinder 2's just like I drive it everyday. FYI if you want to see the difference between a 134mph car and what the heads and cam cars run on 93 octane in full street trim this is the best video to watch.



And then a drag strip run.

[Sticky]

Where's the slip?

[SinasViperTA]

The one thing that I have learned through out this process is that no matter how many runs I make, no matter how the car is setup, no matter who I run, no matter what dyno I am on, no matter what the weather conditions are, no matter how honest I am or how much I disclose there are always people that doubt it, don't like the comparison, don't think it's accurate, want something else. I have honestly become tired of trying to make everyone happy, it's exhausting and very expensive for me personally.

This is a list of events that have taken place in video so you can see what I mean:

Lol at this post. You just owned everyone

[swexlin]

Andy, I also appreciate your posts and information. The fact that you're willing to use your personally owned car as a "tester", with your own money, and you have my respect. Keep on keepin' on.....!

[Nine Ball]

The one thing that I have learned through out this process is that no matter how many runs I make, no matter how the car is setup, no matter who I run, no matter what dyno I am on, no matter what the weather conditions are, no matter how honest I am or how much I disclose there are always people that doubt it, don't like the comparison, don't think it's accurate, want something else. I have honestly become tired of trying to make everyone happy, it's exhausting and very expensive for me personally.

Andy, I want you to get Dick Winkles to make you an 87 octane drag strip tune. Then I want you to go run with the skinny tires on the back. Or maybe some winter tires. Until then, your package isn't validated. Shame on you for telling us all the specifics of your setup, and disclosing every aspect of your testing. That is too much information, and we cannot process it at an expert level.

Thanks,
President, 87 Octane Drag Racing Winter Tires Association.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Nice runs, Andy. The H&C package is definitely impressive and is on my wish list (right after a Gen V). I appreciate the efforts made to validate the performance.

Glad to have a few DSE parts along for the ride.