summary of 100+ hp options

[V10powerr]

I am considering some options to increase hp on my 2013 track pack. i have the arrow pcm and like it but am in need of more power and better sound, surprising!
the purpose of this thread is to summarize the options i have found and the advantages and disadvantages of each.
since i do not have in depth knowledge of all the options, anyone, including vendors can update me and others in this situation.
I dont want this to be a pi--ing match between vendors or members, just a fact base update in case someone has not stated the facts. opinions are welcome based on experience or just thoughts but lets try to keep them short and sweet so that the thread does not go off topic. I do not have any horses in the race- just trying to summarize and learn about what i dont know.
the notes below are as i understand them. please correct me where i am wrong.

option 1.

Arrow heads and cam
cost about 15-16k - installed drive put price
includes cam, ported heads, full exhaust and related parts
640 rwhp- additional rwhp about 80 compared to current stock car plus arrow pcm
advantage: 1 year 12k powertrain warranty
arrow research and credibility
relative reliability and piece of mind with arrow
sound of cam
field test with cars on the street already
disadv- 15k for 80 additional hp is very expensive


option 2

d3pe supercharger
cost 17500 installed
includes supercharger, injectors,
750 rwhp
advantages- better bang for the buck
dp3e history and credibility
supercharger sound
disadv- not in the field yet
no warranty
exhaust will be 6k on top of this price

option 3
250 shot nitros kit
cost ???
800 hp
disadvantages: not permanent

option 4
turbos??

Option 5
??

thanks for everyone's input.

[Mazak]

Can option one be used with option 2 ?

[Canadian venom]

OP !

[FLATOUT]

No option one can't be used with option 2. Also I would say that to date all of our ViperExchange Heads & Cam customer cars have made at least 90rwhp over stock with most making 100rwhp with the biggest delta being 120rwhp. That's 13,990-15k installed, with warranty, with full exhaust, and a calibration by Dick Winkles. All while making your stock car lighter. My car with our package weighs less than 3200lbs as a track pack optioned car. Not to mention the 9 different cam shafts that Ben Keating endurance tested in our GTD class IMSA Viper. There has been way more testing by ViperExchange and Arrow done on this package than people realize.

Good luck! If you have any questions email me awheeler@viperexchange.com

[SSGNRDZ_28]

What is the rough weight savings and is is mostly due to exhaust?

[FLATOUT]

What is the rough weight savings and is is mostly due to exhaust?

Correct just from the exhaust change. It's around 13-15lbs. The real plus is that it's the only option listed that doesn't add weight to the vehicle, that's really what I was getting at. It's also the only option that can stand up to road course abuse lap after lap.

[ACR Xtreme]

I don't think you're going to see 80 RWHP out of the H&C package over the Arrow tune. The Arrow tune provides a solid 30-40 RWHP by itself. The headers/heads/cam provides the other 40 or so. When you talk about the cost, simplicity and next to nil labor cost of the tune, it's pretty hard to beat.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...ow-PCM-upgrade!

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...eaders-Results

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...row-Racing-ECU

I am considering some options to increase hp on my 2013 track pack. i have the arrow pcm and like it but am in need of more power and better sound, surprising!
the purpose of this thread is to summarize the options i have found and the advantages and disadvantages of each.
since i do not have in depth knowledge of all the options, anyone, including vendors can update me and others in this situation.
I dont want this to be a pi--ing match between vendors or members, just a fact base update in case someone has not stated the facts. opinions are welcome based on experience or just thoughts but lets try to keep them short and sweet so that the thread does not go off topic. I do not have any horses in the race- just trying to summarize and learn about what i dont know.
the notes below are as i understand them. please correct me where i am wrong.

option 1.

Arrow heads and cam
cost about 15-16k - installed drive put price
includes cam, ported heads, full exhaust and related parts
640 rwhp- additional rwhp about 80 compared to current stock car plus arrow pcm
advantage: 1 year 12k powertrain warranty
arrow research and credibility
relative reliability and piece of mind with arrow
sound of cam
field test with cars on the street already
disadv- 15k for 80 additional hp is very expensive


option 2

d3pe supercharger
cost 17500 installed
includes supercharger, injectors,
750 rwhp
advantages- better bang for the buck
dp3e history and credibility
supercharger sound
disadv- not in the field yet
no warranty
exhaust will be 6k on top of this price

option 3
250 shot nitros kit
cost ???
800 hp
disadvantages: not permanent

option 4
turbos??

Option 5
??

thanks for everyone's input.

[7TH_SIGN]

Boltons, tune is best bang for buck option when measuring power gains in my opinion. You could even throw nitrous on and make more power for less than what a H&C package costs.

Me personally, I installed a full header back catless exhaust and will throw a tune on it. That's it! Saving for a TT setup.

[Evan@D3PE]

We do provide a 1 year warranty on all parts, as well as labor if installed in house. Unfortunately we have no say in your vehicle warranty

[Ninjazx71]

option 3
250 shot nitros kit
cost ???
800 hp
disadvantages: not permanent

A full nitrous setup with all the bells and whistles (window switch, WOT switch, fuel cell, bottle warmer, and a tune) will run you about $3,500 plus install. Not sure what install would be. This wouldn't address your need for more sound out of the car, but gives you the option for when you "NEED" the 800rwhp vs. 600rwhp. #FirstWorldProblems. LOL!

[donk_316]

Don't forget the heads and cam package also includes headers and tune. Good value there.

[Unorthodox]

After running Andy in my tune only TA and getting drug silly; I would advise you go with the Heads/Cam package from VE. That's what I would do if I was in the market for some more power....

Michael

[mike@calvomotorsports]

Sounds like for your goals and your best bet would be the H/C package for sure.. with a little nitrous

[KB Viper]

the nitrous kit installed is approximately 5k. I do know that Andy and Dick are working on a nitrous tune to go with the heads and cam package so if you think about it; heads, cam, headers, Mcloed clutch and N20 for approximately 20k will net 650whp motor only and 850whp on dope. with this set up you can road race, roll race, and drag race. this is what i am pushing for.

[evomind]

Question....
For those that have done the H/C, where does it put the power? Is it all up top or what?

[rlhay2]

the nitrous kit installed is approximately 5k. I do know that Andy and Dick are working on a nitrous tune to go with the heads and cam package so if you think about it; heads, cam, headers, Mcloed clutch and N20 for approximately 20k will net 650whp motor only and 850whp on dope. with this set up you can road race, roll race, and drag race. this is what i am pushing for.

A now ex-TA owner made 900rwhp without removing the heads on his car. Bolt-ons and a 300hp NOS kit.
That car made 600rwhp on the nitrous tune too...with just bolt-ons.
The only parts that had ever been removed on the car were the exhaust, spark plugs, OEM pulley and air box.

For me, the only downside to a NOS kit is the "optimal" location for mounting the bottle(s).
If they could be moved out of sight without any compromise in functionality, that's be great!
I've seen Calvo Motorsport's solution for this and it appears to work, I am just awaiting to see which option strikes me as the best choice.

We've gone from no options to almost too many in a matter of months. There are going to be some quick gen V Vipers on the roads in 2016!

[Antonio@CalvoMotorsports]

D3 super charger is a great bang for the buck. Its always there, no needing to fill fuel cells with race gas. Nitrous is the cheapest way to to make 8-900hp, but you need to keep up on the bottle and fuel cell fills. Then there is a turbo kit. There are many options, all seem to be within a 5kish price range of each other and IMO the best way to go!!

[ViperSmith]

In a year we've gone from zilch to "How much money do you want to spend"

Finally a decent position!

[7TH_SIGN]

I'm with you on the refilling of the nitrous and keeping up with bottle pressure.

I really hope someone down the road offers a stock motor TT setup for under $30k.

[Jack B]

You definitely are the sweet spot

D3 super charger is a great bang for the buck. Its always there, no needing to fill fuel cells with race gas. Nitrous is the cheapest way to to make 8-900hp, but you need to keep up on the bottle and fuel cell fills. Then there is a turbo kit. There are many options, all seem to be within a 5kish price range of each other and IMO the best way to go!!

[Jack B]

There have been dyno curves posted. The power comes on anywhere after 3000 rpm, between 5000-6000 it is a different car.

Question....
For those that have done the H/C, where does it put the power? Is it all up top or what?

[ZeeViper]

could you post some links to these dyno sheets??

[G37Sam]

The H/C sound alone is worth the 15k if you ask me haha

[FLATOUT]

After running Andy in my tune only TA and getting drug silly; I would advise you go with the Heads/Cam package from VE. That's what I would do if I was in the market for some more power....

Michael

Really appreciate that Mike, your car runs hard as well.

could you post some links to these dyno sheets??

This is my stock Dyno overlayed with my 661 heads and cam graph. Same dyno both SAE corrected numbers:

FLATOUT B&A by Andrew Wheeler, on Flickr

[7TH_SIGN]

So $15,000 for 120whp. Rather save that towards a TT setup. But glad we have that option for H&C for those wanting to go that route.