Teamtech 6-point Harness Installed!

[darbgnik]

There are two types of belts for the Gen V. There is a simple version, Rampac, if memory serves me correct and a more upgraded version which includes double adjustment for the sub belts so you can adjust them all the way out and place the crotch pad under the seat. I do not recall the specific name, however, I seem to recall the upgraded version being called the ASR or something. It includes easy adjustment for all of the belts, instead of having to manually undo the bar slides for different passengers, they include bulk head attachments for easy passenger adjustment. I'm not sure how you were able to get it adjusted for a 105 and 265lb passenger with those belts. Also the ASR belts have a different adjustment mechanism for the lap belts which Curt said allows a much easier and tighter fit. I had the same exact belts as you and ended up sending them back to Teamtech for upgrade to the ASR(?) and outboard bolt in plate. The main reason for the upgrade for me was the sub belt adjustment. Also when they came back I noticed the clip in attachments were of different design as you indicated.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm not gonna lie, I'm kinda pissed(at myself, for not knowing what I was paying for) about the whole issue, I would prefer the double adjustment for the crotch pad, and was not aware there was an option. The rest of the adjustments being the quick type would also be preferable, but not terribly important to me, as I said, I've set it to where I can forget it, and I'll be the only driver. I ordered 6 point Gen V Viper harnesses, I didn't ask for discount ones..........

The only option I didn't ask for was HANS compatible.

[darbgnik]

So I've looked at it a dozen times and weighed out the pros and cons of these harnesses, and the only pro I can see, is that the submarine straps not having the adjusters on them makes it so that even stowed the way they are in the picture, the metal adjusters aren't left sitting on the seating surface......

Can you guys who have the proper ones comment on whether the submarine adjustment buckles can be moved completely off the lower seat cushion? And if not, can you feel them while sitting on them? And is there the chance they will eat into the seat?

I'm still leaning towards replacing them with the better ASR harnesses, as opposed to the RamPac harnesses in there now. Just looking for any plusses to this setup before I move forward. I am cringing at the thought of the drivers seat install, due to it having no sliders anymore, and only want to do it once. And of course I only find this out Friday night, and have to sit on it all weekend till Monday. Is Monday a holiday in the US like it is here?

[DFox]

Diggin up this old thread to thank the OP for the great pics and writeup. I couldn't move on without pointing out that years later, it's still being helpful.

Also, a great time to point out the great service I got from Jon B and Teamtech. I ordered two custom 6 point harnesses, custom made, black webbing with blue pulls and blue stitching, at noon yesterday. Well, here it is 24 hours later, and they've shipped with a tracking number!!!! How's that for service on a custom built order?

Any more pics of this custom order? would love to have those blue harnesses on my blue TA 2.0. Bumping this up to see what are the best options to go with when ordering harnesses for a TA 2.0. Thanks

[darbgnik]

From what I have learned in the last couple days, the best option for ordering a Team Tech harness is the ASR version. Until last night, I didn't realize there was more than one option. The ASR is only moderately more expensive, but has quick adjusters at both ends of the shoulder harnesses, so easier adjustment there, and a second set of adjusters on the submarine straps, so they can be extended and stored under the seat.

[darbgnik]

Update:

Just got off the phone with Curt at Team Tech. What a nice guy to talk to. We discussed my wants, concerns, and he gave me tips on proper wearing of the belts. Conclusion of this part of the story is, he is going to ship out two new submarine strap assemblies in the same colors tomorrow for dirt cheap. He would have taken mine back and altered them for even less, but since I am in Canada, I asked just to make new ones rather than deal with 2 border crossings. What a pleasure to deal with.

He also showed me the trick to removing the cam-lock from the sub strap assembly, so that I can reuse what I already have.

By the way, once you see and feel the weight of these harnesses, they start to look like a real bargain. The quality is really top shelf.

[Rapidrezults]

Update:

Just got off the phone with Curt at Team Tech. What a nice guy to talk to. We discussed my wants, concerns, and he gave me tips on proper wearing of the belts. Conclusion of this part of the story is, he is going to ship out two new submarine strap assemblies in the same colors tomorrow for dirt cheap. He would have taken mine back and altered them for even less, but since I am in Canada, I asked just to make new ones rather than deal with 2 border crossings. What a pleasure to deal with.

He also showed me the trick to removing the cam-lock from the sub strap assembly, so that I can reuse what I already have.

By the way, once you see and feel the weight of these harnesses, they start to look like a real bargain. The quality is really top shelf.

Glad to hear it worked out. Curt is awesome to deal with!

[darbgnik]

Glad to hear it worked out. Curt is awesome to deal with!

Ya man, it was awesome talking to him. He told me a few stories as well, like when he helped the Dodge engineers decide where to put both sets of pass throughs in the new seats. He also seemed genuinely surprised that he's the go to name in harnesses for Viper guys. I said I didn't shop around, just went straight Team Tech, but why wouldn't I? I mean, they've always worked with Dodge on the Comp Coupes, ACR-X etc.

And thank you Chris, for answering all my questions while you're out of the country. Much appreciated!

[TexasTonka]

Great thread! So no one has an issue with the double adjustable shoulder belts?

[Russ Oasis]

Curt Tucker is the best. He really gets it, and will custom make belts the way you want them for your specific car. I've always used ONLY Team Tech belts.

[TexasTonka]

Curt Tucker is the best. He really gets it, and will custom make belts the way you want them for your specific car. I've always used ONLY Team Tech belts.

Agreed. I'm working with Curt now on my TA2.0, the eye bolts do not work so he sent me some bolt in plates for the lap belts. I have heard from some the double adjustable shoulder straps rattle and eat up the seats.

[VENOM V]

Agreed. I'm working with Curt now on my TA2.0, the eye bolts do not work so he sent me some bolt in plates for the lap belts. I have heard from some the double adjustable shoulder straps rattle and eat up the seats.

No issues with the double adjustable shoulder straps. Not sure why someone had an issue with eating the seats, as the metal on the adjusters doesn't even touch the seats when you are strapped in. I suppose it could with someone taller than me with the seat moved back more, but it doesn't look like it would. And I pull the shoulder straps out when not at the track, super easy clip-on clip-off.

[Rapidrezults]

Agreed. I'm working with Curt now on my TA2.0, the eye bolts do not work so he sent me some bolt in plates for the lap belts. I have heard from some the double adjustable shoulder straps rattle and eat up the seats.

My passenger seat shoulder belts rattle behind the seat because I leave it all the way back. I move it a little forward when no one is riding.

[Rapidrezults]

It is confirmed. The double adjustable (ASR) shoulder belts will start to eat up the back of the seat ONLY if you are a person that requires the seat to be all the way back when driving. If you are a 'larger' person who requires a seat lowering kit or the seat to be fully extended back, I would highly suggest getting the regular RampPac shoulder belts.

I just took out my passenger side shoulder belts and inspected the back of the seat. I am already starting to see subtle signs of wear and I have only had these new ASR belts in for one track day and maybe one or two passengers. Again, I keep the seat all the way back, mostly because of the fire extinguisher mounted on the passenger side and to accommodate a variety of passengers.

If I were going to order all over again I would order the following:

Standard Rampac shoulder belts
ASR Sub belts
ASR lap belts

[darbgnik]

This is what I ended up with by default, having the ASR double adjustable sub belts show up afterward......... I unknowingly started with RamPack harnesses, and upgraded the sub straps after I got them.

By the way, as mentioned in other threads, the sub strap bar won't work with the seat lowering kit, after looking into lap belt bolt in brackets onto the rear seat mounting points, this wouldn't work either, as they had to be turned 90 degrees from the direction of pull. So I ended up anchoring them to the factory support bar on the seat, maybe not ideal, but better than nothing.

BTW, I talked to Curt at Teamtech about this possible scenario, and he had mentioned that bar was up for original consideration, but still had to be tested for strength. I hope I never test it, but in reality, I(and the seat) am still held in by the lap and shoulder belts.

[TexasTonka]

This is what I ended up with by default, having the ASR double adjustable sub belts show up afterward......... I unknowingly started with RamPack harnesses, and upgraded the sub straps after I got them.

By the way, as mentioned in other threads, the sub strap bar won't work with the seat lowering kit, after looking into lap belt bolt in brackets onto the rear seat mounting points, this wouldn't work either, as they had to be turned 90 degrees from the direction of pull. So I ended up anchoring them to the factory support bar on the seat, maybe not ideal, but better than nothing.

BTW, I talked to Curt at Teamtech about this possible scenario, and he had mentioned that bar was up for original consideration, but still had to be tested for strength. I hope I never test it, but in reality, I(and the seat) am still held in by the lap and shoulder belts.

What model do you have? I have a TA2.0 and the bar bolts right in behind the seat for the anti submarine straps. Using an ASR harness

[darbgnik]

What model do you have? I have a TA2.0 and the bar bolts right in behind the seat for the anti submarine straps. Using an ASR harness

The antisubmarine strap bar wont fit with the seat lowering kit. It fits fine on the passenger side.

[TexasTonka]

The antisubmarine strap bar wont fit with the seat lowering kit. It fits fine on the passenger side.

Fits fine on both sides of my TA with the seat lowering kit. Only thing I had to change was the eye bolts for the lap belts to the bolt in style lap belts. The rear bar fit fine but was a huge PITA to install. I had Viper Exchange install it for me, Morgan can install anything.

[darbgnik]

I'll take your word for it.

I wonder what he used to tighten it down. A shallow socket wont go deep enough into the bracket, and a deep socket on a ratchet contacts the seat. We used a ratchet wrench on the seat itself.

[TexasTonka]

I'll see if I can get Viper Exchange to post up some pics and tips to get that bar in.

[wtknght1]

How much are these harnesses...and did you order them directly thru Curt?

[VENOM V]

Yes I would order directly from Curt. I don't recall the price, it varies with options.

On options, ask Curt about lap belt mounting options. My 2013 GTS uses eye bolts to mount lap belts, with no interference in seat sliding foreward/backward. However with eye bolts in my ACR with it's manual seat, I have to raise the seat some before sliding it all the way back, or the seat interferes with the eye bolts. This doesn't bother me because I'm the only driver.

Last we talked, Curt was looking for a shoulder bolt mounting system for the lap belts that won't have this problem. I'm sticking with the eye bolts however, as they look very strong and I like them.

To sum it up, the eye bolts for your 2014 GTS with power seats should be fine with the eye bolts, I'd probably stick with those. If you try them and don't like them, you could look into shoulder bolts.

[allans]

Thanks Leslie, sounds like you've had good luck with them too. The quality is top notch, just wish they'd come with instructions but I figured it out in the end. I plan outlining the step by step instructions so others will have it a little easier. Maybe after that, I'll see if they can get it in the how to section.

Please Post. Getting ready to install mine too. Best, Allan

[darbgnik]

Please Post. Getting ready to install mine too. Best, Allan

If installing in an ACR with ACR interior, I would suggest getting the ASR harnesses with the bolt in lap belts as opposed to the eye bolts. Even those are a tight fit with the non power seats.

[05Commemorative]

In process of installing mine. for lap belts, I am using the direct attach method (vs the eye-bolt/clip-on method). You do have to ask though during order as I first got the eye-bolt connectors. If direct connecting, you will be using the torx bolts already installed in the car.

Yes I would order directly from Curt. I don't recall the price, it varies with options.

On options, ask Curt about lap belt mounting options. My 2013 GTS uses eye bolts to mount lap belts, with no interference in seat sliding foreward/backward. However with eye bolts in my ACR with it's manual seat, I have to raise the seat some before sliding it all the way back, or the seat interferes with the eye bolts. This doesn't bother me because I'm the only driver.

Last we talked, Curt was looking for a shoulder bolt mounting system for the lap belts that won't have this problem. I'm sticking with the eye bolts however, as they look very strong and I like them.

To sum it up, the eye bolts for your 2014 GTS with power seats should be fine with the eye bolts, I'd probably stick with those. If you try them and don't like them, you could look into shoulder bolts.

[mjorgensen]

TeamTech has been working on a design change for the rear lower bar that the 5/6 points wrap around. This bar will now (if you order it) have eyebolts attached to the bar ends so snap in lap belts will quickly attach and you no longer have to fish around for the hidden bolts under the carpet when you are installing harnesses or worry about the eyelets interfering with the seat.

Curt has been great working with me over the years and has always looked to better the systems and the attaching points based on information we have offered, definitely good people there at TeamTech, just another reason they are the ONLY harnesses Woodhouse Motorsports has ever offered to our clients.