Teamtech 6-point Harness Installed!

[VENOM V]

It's in! Suffice it to say that I'm glad that guys like Mark Jorgensen are around, because this was a difficult install! If he's in your neighborhood, it's worth it to pay him to do it, LOL. The difficulty was mostly because I didn't have the right tools. I broke a 3/8" ratchet AND a 3/8" torque wrench, just trying to remove the extremely tightly torqued torx cap screws that filled the holes that the lap belts mounted to. This is a job for a pneumatic impact wrench, or a 1/2" drive, but I didn't have the correct 1/2" drive torx bit. But the job is done and done well, despite a couple of split nuckles and a mashed finger when the torque wrench busted. Looks like I was in a bar fight. I guess I kind of was, but at least I won.

I'm ready to rock and roll with Redsled and a few other friends at Buttonwillow Raceway this weekend. I'll also be running a Necksgen HANS-type device to protect my neck, and will be trying out Michelin Pilot Sport Cups for the first time. Here are a few pictures. I'll post detailed instructions in a few days, when I can find the time.

1st pic: Harness installed
2nd pic: Harness tucked out of the way when not on track. Except for the submarine straps, it's easy to stow the harness.
3rd pic: Submarine strap bar mounted, sub straps installed, and you can see one of the lap belt mounting points.
4th pic: Shoulder belts mounted. Nice feature- no mods to the car, and no drilling! Just bolt the harness in.
5th pic: I hang the shoulder belts off of their eyebolts when not on track. Easy to unclip, pull through the seat-back windows, and clip onto the eyebolts. The lap belts can be left clipped on, you just slip them behind the seat.

[V10LEE]

Looks great bro! Thank's for the write up,and the pics too..

[Leslie]

awsome! looks great. love my team tech harnesses

maybe admin can move this to the 'how to' section.

[VENOM V]

Looks great bro! Thank's for the write up,and the pics too..

Thanks Lee, hopefully we can do yours together when you're ready to install 'em.

[VENOM V]

awsome! looks great. love my team tech harnesses

maybe admin can move this to the 'how to' section.

Thanks Leslie, sounds like you've had good luck with them too. The quality is top notch, just wish they'd come with instructions but I figured it out in the end. I plan outlining the step by step instructions so others will have it a little easier. Maybe after that, I'll see if they can get it in the how to section.

[Getnlwr]

Very clean install!

[VENOM V]

Very clean install!

Thanks man. I'm grateful that Viper is ready to go with a bolt-in harness, no mods necessary. Even the seat accepts the submarine straps! Plus, you don't have to touch the factory 3-point, it stays fully installed on independent mounts. There is no question that the Viper is a serious, track-ready car.

My friend just bought a lightly used Ferrari 458, and he believes he has to do some work to adapt a 6-point in it, not as straightforward. He's in the process of researching it now. He will be joining me at Buttonwillow Raceway this weekend. He may be the better driver by a hair (he used to track a Porsche Cup Car) but I think I have the faster car, so it will be interesting to see which car turns quicker laps. We will have transponders so there will be no hiding from the truth, LOL. I just love friendly rivalries.

[Torquemonster06]

Very nice write-up and pics. Thanks for sharing.

[SilveRT8]

Sounds like you're living the Gen5 dream!
Keep doing it !

[VENOM V]

Very nice write-up and pics. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks man

Sounds like you're living the Gen5 dream!
Keep doing it !

Well I don't yet have the fancy hand bags to match Halle like you do Marilyn, but I'm getting by!

All this safety gear is making my lady a little more comfortable with the crazy track speeds we run. I will say this. Holy crap, it's constricting when you have the 6-point harness and the Necksgen HANS-type device hooked up. You can hardly move. It'll take some getting used to, but I will be planted in the corners for sure.

[darbgnik]

Diggin up this old thread to thank the OP for the great pics and writeup. I couldn't move on without pointing out that years later, it's still being helpful.

Also, a great time to point out the great service I got from Jon B and Teamtech. I ordered two custom 6 point harnesses, custom made, black webbing with blue pulls and blue stitching, at noon yesterday. Well, here it is 24 hours later, and they've shipped with a tracking number!!!! How's that for service on a custom built order?

[Rapidrezults]

Diggin up this old thread to thank the OP for the great pics and writeup. I couldn't move on without pointing out that years later, it's still being helpful.

Also, a great time to point out the great service I got from Jon B and Teamtech. I ordered two custom 6 point harnesses, custom made, black webbing with blue pulls and blue stitching, at noon yesterday. Well, here it is 24 hours later, and they've shipped with a tracking number!!!! How's that for service on a custom built order?

Did you order them with the inboard and outboard bolt in style attachments for the lap belts or just the inboard? Not sure what type of seats you have, but on the TA (manual) seats, the eye bolt on the outboard side prevented my seat from going all the way back easily, if at all. I opted to have them both bolt in style and the seat moves very nicely along its track.

Also, a few tips for the install which I think you might find helpful:

1) When trying to locate the existing lap belt bolts, remove the back panel behind the seat and you will be able to stick your hand under the carpet and insulation and feel around to locate the factory bolts. The instructions have some measurements, but IMO, it's not worth missing the spot and cutting up your carpet trying to measure or think you can feel the bolt through the carpet and insulation. Once located, use a needle tool of some sort to mark the spot where the bolt is (with your fingers still behind) and cut an X around that area.

2) To loosen the bolts, I found a very easy solution to break them loose was to just add an extension to my ratchet. Nothing fancy, in my case the closest thing I found was a piece of the piping from my floorjack which fit perfectly over the ratchet and popped it loose with minimal effort. You can put a towel over it so when it breaks loose you don't put a big scratch in your piano black seat back, if you care.

3) If you do opt for the inboard and outboard bolt in style plates, on the passenger side you might find that the stock bolt(outboard) is not quite long enough to get the threads going because there is some electrical cabling that runs through on that side. I went to the hardware store and found an exact matching bolt with just a few more threads and it worked perfect. Results may vary on this, but figured I'd point it out for anyone trying to attempt this in the future.

4) Lastly, and this might be a bit too much detail but....when you are putting the back panel back in it can be somewhat of a pain to deal with. It has some sharp edges as well and in hind sight I would've put some tape over the leather padding that connects back from the center console to avoid scratching it. You might find yourself wrestling with this panel to get it back in and a little mishap will put a nice dent/scratch in the leather there.

As Venom mentioned, it sounds and looks easy until you start getting back there and realizing how awkward of a position you have to put your body into. The space you have to work in is very tight. You will definitely start sweating so bring a towel and make sure there are no kids around when you start cursing! LOL

Hope it goes well for you!

[Nambo]

Quick tip to ease seat movement for manual seats with the eyebolt setup. Raise the seat to its highest setting and then move it forward/backward and lower it back down once it is adjusted. It will move much easier this way, or at least it does for me.

[Rapidrezults]

Quick tip to ease seat movement for manual seats with the eyebolt setup. Raise the seat to its highest setting and then move it forward/backward and lower it back down once it is adjusted. It will move much easier this way, or at least it does for me.

I did this as well, but felt I could never get the seat all the way back down once raised and moved back. It seemed there was still some interference of some sort there. Not sure.

[Nambo]

There certainly is not a lot of room to spare between the seat, harness straps, and mounting points. I could see how fit could vary from car to car.

[darbgnik]

Did you order them with the inboard and outboard bolt in style attachments for the lap belts or just the inboard? Not sure what type of seats you have, but on the TA (manual) seats, the eye bolt on the outboard side prevented my seat from going all the way back easily, if at all. I opted to have them both bolt in style and the seat moves very nicely along its track.

Also, a few tips for the install which I think you might find helpful:

1) When trying to locate the existing lap belt bolts, remove the back panel behind the seat and you will be able to stick your hand under the carpet and insulation and feel around to locate the factory bolts. The instructions have some measurements, but IMO, it's not worth missing the spot and cutting up your carpet trying to measure or think you can feel the bolt through the carpet and insulation. Once located, use a needle tool of some sort to mark the spot where the bolt is (with your fingers still behind) and cut an X around that area.

2) To loosen the bolts, I found a very easy solution to break them loose was to just add an extension to my ratchet. Nothing fancy, in my case the closest thing I found was a piece of the piping from my floorjack which fit perfectly over the ratchet and popped it loose with minimal effort. You can put a towel over it so when it breaks loose you don't put a big scratch in your piano black seat back, if you care.

3) If you do opt for the inboard and outboard bolt in style plates, on the passenger side you might find that the stock bolt(outboard) is not quite long enough to get the threads going because there is some electrical cabling that runs through on that side. I went to the hardware store and found an exact matching bolt with just a few more threads and it worked perfect. Results may vary on this, but figured I'd point it out for anyone trying to attempt this in the future.

4) Lastly, and this might be a bit too much detail but....when you are putting the back panel back in it can be somewhat of a pain to deal with. It has some sharp edges as well and in hind sight I would've put some tape over the leather padding that connects back from the center console to avoid scratching it. You might find yourself wrestling with this panel to get it back in and a little mishap will put a nice dent/scratch in the leather there.

As Venom mentioned, it sounds and looks easy until you start getting back there and realizing how awkward of a position you have to put your body into. The space you have to work in is very tight. You will definitely start sweating so bring a towel and make sure there are no kids around when you start cursing! LOL

Hope it goes well for you!

Thanks for all the tips! Apparently all the new harnesses ship with regular bolts on the lap belts. I'm definitely not looking forward to the install though, especially since I have the seat drop bracket on the drivers side. I need to get another friend with small forearms to remove the rear nuts on the drivers seat and reinstall it............ My arms just don't fit.

[VENOM V]

Glad the thread is still helpful.

On my 2013 GTS with power seat, no issues with adjusting the seat through its full range of motion. Sounds like I may have an issue with the ACR's manual seat based on your experiences.

[Rapidrezults]

Glad the thread is still helpful.

On my 2013 GTS with power seat, no issues with adjusting the seat through its full range of motion. Sounds like I may have an issue with the ACR's manual seat based on your experiences.

Todd,

If you have issues with the eyebolt clip ins you can send them to Curt @ Teamtech and he will swap the attachments on the lap belts for you. Curt is awesome to deal with.

[VENOM V]

Todd,

If you have issues with the eyebolt clip ins you can send them to Curt @ Teamtech and he will swap the attachments on the lap belts for you. Curt is awesome to deal with.

Thanks Chris. Since I will be ordering a new one for the ACR, sounds like they have it figured out and it should fit right out of the box, is that correct?

[Rapidrezults]

Thanks Chris. Since I will be ordering a new one for the ACR, sounds like they have it figured out and it should fit right out of the box, is that correct?

Yup, I was the beta tester for this concept and I guess Curt decided it was good enough for everyone. Haha

I keep forgetting, you're keeping the GTS.

[Darius]

I think I will just do a regular set of 5 points. That harness is awesome but man it's a pain to get in and out of.

[mjorgensen]

I think I will just do a regular set of 5 points. That harness is awesome but man it's a pain to get in and out of.

I would not do the 5 points, the instruction expressly state that you should not run the strap over the front of the seat, it is only to be used with the center hole in a race seat and the Viper seats are not made that way. The 6 points are not that bad just loosen the adjusters and lay it over the front when not using them.

[darbgnik]

Well, I got the passenger side installed today, still waiting on a buddy with skinny arms for the drivers side.....

Install was pretty straight forward. I would recommend to anyone doing the work themselves to just remove the seat, makes it a lot easier to perform the work, and find the hidden bolts under the carpet. Surprisingly, what seemed to take the longest for me was getting the harnesses adjusted correctly using the attachment point buckles, so that the top adjusters were in the right position to be used for large and small passengers. After much fiddling, I have it adjusted so that the same setup works for me, 6"2 265lbs, and my girlfriend, 5'1 105lbs. Now that I have a baseline to work with, I should be able to get the bottom buckles adjusted on the drivers side, first try. Which is important seeing as after the seat is bolted down, they wont be accessible, due to my seat drop kit.

And a special thanks for the tip about raising the seat to get away from the interference between the tunnel attachment point and the seat. These harnesses really don't have a lot of room to get installed. After a lot of swearing, I reread the post, and raised the seat to get it back, which was still a tight fit, and a rough go.

I really like how the black harnesses with blue stitching and pulls look in the car. My only gripe about the design is that I'd really prefer it if the locking buckle was attached to one of the shoulder straps, instead of the submarine straps. It would be better to have it hanging behind the seats when not in use, rather than stuffed between the seat and the sill.

Hey VENOM V, is it just me, or is your submarine strap a different design with two clips into the lock instead of mine, with one clip permanently attached??? If mine is the latest design, I prefer yours.......

[darbgnik]

To further my question about the submarine strap only having one clip with the buckle on it, seeing as I can't separate the straps, the pic below is how I have to store it, not ideal I think.

Not sure I had a choice, but I like the OP's setup better...........

I'd like to know if the original option with two separate clips on the submarine straps is available before I screw around with my lowered, bolted to the floor, drivers seat.

[Rapidrezults]

To further my question about the submarine strap only having one clip with the buckle on it, seeing as I can't separate the straps, the pic below is how I have to store it, not ideal I think.

Not sure I had a choice, but I like the OP's setup better...........

I'd like to know if the original option with two separate clips on the submarine straps is available before I screw around with my lowered, bolted to the floor, drivers seat.

There are two types of belts for the Gen V. There is a simple version, Rampac, if memory serves me correct and a more upgraded version which includes double adjustment for the sub belts so you can adjust them all the way out and place the crotch pad under the seat without having to screw with the bar slides behind the seat. I do not recall the specific name, however, I seem to recall the upgraded version being called the ASR or something. It includes easy adjustment for all of the belts, instead of having to manually undo the bar slides for different passengers, they include bulk head attachments for easy passenger adjustment. I'm not sure how you were able to get it adjusted for a 105 and 265lb passenger with those belts. Also the ASR belts have a different adjustment mechanism for the lap belts which Curt said allows a much easier and tighter fit. I had the same exact belts as you and ended up sending them back to Teamtech for upgrade to the ASR(?) and outboard bolt in plate. The main reason for the upgrade for me was the sub belt adjustment. Also when they came back I noticed the clip in attachments were of different design as you indicated.

Hope that clarifies it for you.