It should be worse!

[Stealth]

I'm going with Dick Winkles, he's the authority. 255 F is the limit, per the man. Seeing how no one has hit 250 F yet, I'm not worried about it. As I said, I'll back off at 245 F if I ever see that temp.

As I noted above, when I briefly exceeded 240F Oil I did not get any chime or constant or intermittent warning light. Have you seen such an alleged "idiot light"?

[TrackAire]

VENOM V, perfect....this will be very informative.

I now command you to change your forum name to Icarus!!

[VENOM V]

As I noted above, when I briefly exceeded 240F Oil I did not get any chime or constant or intermittent warning light. Have you seen such an alleged "idiot light"?

Yes I have, the 240 F warning lamp came on for me but is for coolant, not oil. Oil can hold up to much higher temps. Dick Winkles said to keep it below 255 F coolant and 300 F oil. 240 F oil is fine.

[VENOM V]

VENOM V, perfect....this will be very informative.

I now command you to change your forum name to Icarus!!

Haha, George. You gonna finally make the trek down to Buttonwillow Oct 17-18 with us and try out that fine track? I know it's a long drive, but Willow Ranch BBQ will make it all worth it

[TrackAire]

Haha, George. You gonna finally make the trek down to Buttonwillow Oct 17-18 with us and try out that fine track? I know it's a long drive, but Willow Ranch BBQ will make it all worth it

Family vacation in Tahoe that weekend....mother in law turns the big 85.

I'm also prepping the new track car, but stuff at work has been crazy busy. Buttonwillow is a great track....even though it is in the middle of nowhere, I love that place. Perfect time of the year to be at BW.

[Eachey51]

Hey guys i dont own a genV but i just wondered if the engineers cut the honeycomb grill out to improve airflow, would removing the grills from the side gills improve air flow through the engine bay resulting in more air through the radiator? Desregard if i dont know what im talking about!

[darbgnik]

Hey guys i dont own a genV but i just wondered if the engineers cut the honeycomb grill out to improve airflow, would removing the grills from the side gills improve air flow through the engine bay resulting in more air through the radiator? Desregard if i dont know what im talking about!

Interesting thought, I can't remember what my Gen 3 had in the side gills, if anything..........

[fuggles]

If I'm not mistaken the normal operating temp for most internal combustion engines and this includes the Viper is designed at 190/200 deg.

I don't think so. All of my cars regularly operate above 200F on the street. Audi, BMW, Saturn and my Gen 4 Viper.

[kdaviper]

Is the car lowered at all? perhaps you are losing under-hood air flow?

[serpent]

SO.... has the OP sold his TA 2.0? Curious to know what P car he is going to get. Would be funny hearing about his Porsche getting passed by a new ACR.

[darbgnik]

SO.... has the OP sold his TA 2.0? Curious to know what P car he is going to get. Would be funny hearing about his Porsche getting passed by a new ACR.

Fast guys are fast in anything, sounds like he might not be worried. lol

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Hey guys i dont own a genV but i just wondered if the engineers cut the honeycomb grill out to improve airflow, would removing the grills from the side gills improve air flow through the engine bay resulting in more air through the radiator? Desregard if i dont know what im talking about!

Yes this should help in theory, if they come out easily it would be a good test.

Interesting thought, I can't remember what my Gen 3 had in the side gills, if anything..........

If anything I would say the Gen III/IV is a bit more restrictive, although there is no honeycomb / grill there isn't as direct a path for airflow through the gills as the Gen V.

[BLUETA#1]

SO.... has the OP sold his TA 2.0? Curious to know what P car he is going to get. Would be funny hearing about his Porsche getting passed by a new ACR.

I won't sell it for a while. My new car will not be in until March April. I am not announcing that to avoid the flames.

No matter what I bring to the track, there is something faster. 2 events ago a guy showed up in Michael Schumacher's 2002 Ferrari F1 car. He passed me and it didn't bother me.

Whatever I drive, I prefer to have the car up on its skis a bit without worrying about the engine blowing. I ran a bunch of races in a spec Miata…not the fastest car, but driving it was a freaking ball.

[cashcorn]

I wonder if removing the grill, side sills & hood vents(get rid of the brake ducts) would allow for a better flow? just saying...

[BLUETA#1]

I wonder if removing the grill, side sills & hood vents(get rid of the brake ducts) would allow for a better flow? just saying...

It’s a good observation. I purchased a new grill with the hopes of engineering a solution. Cutting the grill enough without removing the needed structural support for the front nose, its above my engineering ability.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

It’s a good observation. I purchased a new grill with the hopes of engineering a solution. Cutting the grill enough without removing the needed structural support for the front nose, its above my engineering ability.

I looked at one today quickly. Cutting out the V honeycomb as well as the upper half of the cross bar in the center of the grille might be a good place to start without compromising too much. These locations didn't seem to have anything behind them so in theory they would allow more airflow.

[BLUETA#1]

I looked at one today quickly. Cutting out the V honeycomb as well as the upper half of the cross bar in the center of the grille might be a good place to start without compromising too much. These locations didn't seem to have anything behind them so in theory they would allow more airflow.

I will check it out.

[ViperGeorge]

I looked at one today quickly. Cutting out the V honeycomb as well as the upper half of the cross bar in the center of the grille might be a good place to start without compromising too much. These locations didn't seem to have anything behind them so in theory they would allow more airflow.

I looked at my 14 GTS today and it appears to have some kind of brace behind the V. I don't think cutting out the honeycomb would help.

[FLATOUT]

A bunch fast Gen V's just flew around the National Corvette Museum Track today on Hoosiers and I think LMgrew was on slicks without issues. Randy Pobst ran the quick lap of the day in Mike Levitas's TA 1.0 with our Active damper package with Ralph a sec behind him in the new ACR on Hoosiers.

[ViperGeorge]

A bunch fast Gen V's just flew around the National Corvette Museum Track today on Hoosiers and I think LMgrew was on slicks without issues. Randy Pobst ran the quick lap of the day in Mike Levitas's TA 1.0 with our Active damper package with Ralph a sec behind him in the new ACR on Hoosiers.

But what temps were they seeing? Were they seeing 240 coolant or so?

[FLATOUT]

But what temps were they seeing? Were they seeing 240 coolant or so?

Gary just sent me a text and said no one was north of 210 that he knew of.

[Steve M]

Gary just sent me a text and said no one was north of 210 that he knew of.

We also just had a cold front move through yesterday...it only made it into the mid-60s around Dayton today, so I'm guessing the ambient temps in Bowling Green weren't too much higher than that.

[ACR]

A bunch fast Gen V's just flew around the National Corvette Museum Track today on Hoosiers and I think LMgrew was on slicks without issues. Randy Pobst ran the quick lap of the day in Mike Levitas's TA 1.0 with our Active damper package with Ralph a sec behind him in the new ACR on Hoosiers.

how good is Ralph as a driver? Curious how the ACR stacks to the TA/Active

[BLUETA#1]

A bunch fast Gen V's just flew around the National Corvette Museum Track today on Hoosiers and I think LMgrew was on slicks without issues. Randy Pobst ran the quick lap of the day in Mike Levitas's TA 1.0 with our Active damper package with Ralph a sec behind him in the new ACR on Hoosiers.

Nice to hear, but his info is not helpful for several reasons:

We have no idea of the duration of the sessions
Ambient temps (its cool up there now)
It’s not the same car (TA1.0, not a TA2.0)
"Fast" needs a lap time
We don't know the modifications

[FLATOUT]

how good is Ralph as a driver? Curious how the ACR stacks to the TA/Active

Ralph is very fast, ran Viper Cup and still runs quite often I would put his times up against just about anyone's. He was on R7's with the grill inserts removed and the front fender inserts removed. Randy Pobst was in Mikes stock TA with our Active Dampers car was also on R7's. NCM is not a downforce track so not much advantage for the ACR.

The TA on our suspension ran a 1:55 the ACR was in the 1:56's Luke on slicks was in the 1:57's I think.

Nice to hear, but his info is not helpful for several reasons:

We have no idea of the duration of the sessions
Ambient temps (its cool up there now)
It’s not the same car (TA1.0, not a TA2.0)
"Fast" needs a lap time
We don't know the modifications

Lap times

TA 1.0 stock with ViperExchange Active Dampers, R7's, Randy Pobst 1:55
ACR Extreme stock with R7's, Ralph 1:56
TA 1.0 on Pirelli slicks, Luke 1:57 (I don't know much about Lukes car but he posts here)
TA 1.0 Gary W ViperExchange Active Dampers not sure what tire or mods on Gary's car but I'll find out more.

I'll chat with Mike L today and get more specifics about the temps both ambient and what they saw.