Who's next for Arrow Heads & Cam

**Stealth78** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by XSnake

I don't disagree. He's just bitching about warranty length so I was addressing just addressing that aspect of the failures.

Look Pal, it's not bitching it's being practical and addressing valid points. I'm sorry I'm not somebody who shits money. To be honest part of my career is to review and advise people about their financial situations, so I'm a bit prone to be a financial conservative. If you are financially stable/blessed enough that you can buy a 6 figure car and not give a care in the world if you have a warranty, good for you. When you have a $100,000 car with a 5 year/ 60K mile warranty and you do a "factory" mod that's $14,000 it shouldn't simultaneously cut your warranty to 1/5 of what it was! My point is if you could get this package and it retained the original warranty then I could see everyone's point of being worth the money because of the warranty. I'm sorry you have to put yourself on a pedestal when surrounded by us mere peasants that have to be responsible with our finances.

**VENOM V** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by Stealth78

Look Pal, it's not bitching it's being practical and addressing valid points. I'm sorry I'm not somebody who shits money. To be honest part of my career is to review and advise people about their financial situations, so I'm a bit prone to be a financial conservative. If you are financially stable/blessed enough that you can buy a 6 figure car and not give a care in the world if you have a warranty, good for you. When you have a $100,000 car with a 5 year/ 60K mile warranty and you do a "factory" mod that's $14,000 it shouldn't simultaneously cut your warranty to 1/5 of what it was! My point is if you could get this package and it retained the original warranty then I could see everyone's point of being worth the money because of the warranty. I'm sorry you have to put yourself on a pedestal when surrounded by us mere peasants that have to be responsible with our finances.

All due respect, you need to lighten up. My guess is that you haven't modded enough engines to have enough perspective to know what a great deal this is. And there is no such thing as an aftermarket monster power upgrade of this class that doesn't void a manufacturer's warranty, so having these dealers honor a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is just exceptional. Engines like this are under a lot more stress, they are designed to give the buyer more power at the trade off of longevity. That's the reality. This is not an engine that will last 200,000 miles like those in standard passenger cars.

And just because it doesn't fit in your budget doesn't mean it's a bad deal, it just means that it doesn't make sense for you. It may make sense for me, or the other literally dozens of guys that are anxiously in line for this kickass upgrade at Woodhouse and Viper Exchange.

**TexasTonka** · 10-02-2015

Made sense for me! Been enjoying the hell out of my car. Love the way the Heads and cam transformed it!

**VENOM V** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by TexasTonka

Made sense for me! Been enjoying the hell out of my car. Love the way the Heads and cam transformed it!

Kurt, have you tracked it yet with the upgrade? I am so tempted to take the plunge on my ACR.

**XSnake** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by Stealth78

Look Pal, it's not bitching it's being practical and addressing valid points. I'm sorry I'm not somebody who shits money. To be honest part of my career is to review and advise people about their financial situations, so I'm a bit prone to be a financial conservative. If you are financially stable/blessed enough that you can buy a 6 figure car and not give a care in the world if you have a warranty, good for you. When you have a $100,000 car with a 5 year/ 60K mile warranty and you do a "factory" mod that's $14,000 it shouldn't simultaneously cut your warranty to 1/5 of what it was! My point is if you could get this package and it retained the original warranty then I could see everyone's point of being worth the money because of the warranty. I'm sorry you have to put yourself on a pedestal when surrounded by us mere peasants that have to be responsible with our finances.

I asked a simple question. You wanna deflect thats fine.

**ACR Steve** · 10-02-2015

Stealth- "factory mod "

I think you are missing the point. Its NOT a FACTORY mod. Its a dealer installed mod. You cant order a new Viper with this installed from the factory. The fact that Arrow and our 2 top dealers are giving a 1 year warranty is amazing . I don't disagree that I would be more prone to have the mod done with a longer matching warranty but that would be dreaming. I think 12 months is a whole lot better then none or the typical 30-90 days that you see on most aftermarket mods.

**TexasTonka** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by VENOM V

Kurt, have you tracked it yet with the upgrade? I am so tempted to take the plunge on my ACR.

Have not yet. Should be doing another track day at COTA November 1 and we can see how they work along with the Viper Exchange tractive suspension upgrade and Viper Exchange big brake kit. Should be a beast out on COTA, may need to sell my '09 ACR!

**VENOM V** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by TexasTonka

Have not yet. Should be doing another track day at COTA November 1 and we can see how they work along with the Viper Exchange tractive suspension upgrade and Viper Exchange big brake kit. Should be a beast out on COTA, may need to sell my '09 ACR!

Terrific, keep me posted! I'm also interested in what the upgrade does to water and oil temps over a track session. When I dropped a 600 HP stroker into my Camaro, temps went through the roof and I had to add dual oil coolers.

**Stealth78** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by VENOM V

All due respect, you need to lighten up. My guess is that you haven't modded enough engines to have enough perspective to know what a great deal this is. And there is no such thing as an aftermarket monster power upgrade of this class that doesn't void a manufacturer's warranty, so having these dealers honor a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is just exceptional. Engines like this are under a lot more stress, they are designed to give the buyer more power at the trade off of longevity. That's the reality. This is not an engine that will last 200,000 miles like those in standard passenger cars.

And just because it doesn't fit in your budget doesn't mean it's a bad deal, it just means that it doesn't make sense for you. It may make sense for me, or the other literally dozens of guys that are anxiously in line for this kickass upgrade at Woodhouse and Viper Exchange.

I know bud... I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with anyone. Although I know a few guys that have around 150,000 miles on Gen3 engines that have been feeding them nitrous for years. And I know of one guy that actually broke 200,000 miles over on the VTCOA. When we are comparing that to a Gen5 engine that is far superior and has forged internals I don't think it is impossible to get high mileage out of one of these engines.

**Jack B** · 10-02-2015

That was well done!

Originally Posted by VENOM V

All due respect, you need to lighten up. My guess is that you haven't modded enough engines to have enough perspective to know what a great deal this is. And there is no such thing as an aftermarket monster power upgrade of this class that doesn't void a manufacturer's warranty, so having these dealers honor a 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty is just exceptional. Engines like this are under a lot more stress, they are designed to give the buyer more power at the trade off of longevity. That's the reality. This is not an engine that will last 200,000 miles like those in standard passenger cars.

And just because it doesn't fit in your budget doesn't mean it's a bad deal, it just means that it doesn't make sense for you. It may make sense for me, or the other literally dozens of guys that are anxiously in line for this kickass upgrade at Woodhouse and Viper Exchange.

**FLATOUT** · 10-02-2015

Originally Posted by VENOM V

Terrific, keep me posted! I'm also interested in what the upgrade does to water and oil temps over a track session. When I dropped a 600 HP stroker into my Camaro, temps went through the roof and I had to add dual oil coolers.

I tracked mine at COTA and my temps were great, no issues at all in the heat of the summer.

**KB Viper** · 10-09-2015

any updates from any members with this packaage? any new idle or WOT clips to share?

**Jack B** · 10-09-2015

There are only a couple of cars done and the Texas guys will not race till the DA hits minus 2000 - LOL.

**FLATOUT** · 10-09-2015

Originally Posted by Jack B

There are only a couple of cars done and the Texas guys will not race till the DA hits minus 2000 - LOL.

Jack why do you keep saying this? I have road raced my car plenty this season and I'll be running the 1/4 mile shortly. Have you posted any new drag strip runs lately? I have put over 6,000 miles on my heads and cam car this summer including multiple track days.

We completed another customer car yesterday and will be done with another Monday both customers aren't on the forums. Texas Tonka dropped his off for me today for our Big Brake kit and our Dynamic Suspension package.

**FLATOUT** · 10-09-2015

Originally Posted by KB Viper

any updates from any members with this packaage? any new idle or WOT clips to share?

As I mentioned above I have quite a few cars lined up for builds but only one of them is a forum guy and I know he's doing a build thread. I expect to get him started Monday or Tuesday.

**Jack B** · 10-09-2015

It was supposed to be in jest.

Originally Posted by FLATOUT

Jack why do you keep saying this? I have road raced my car plenty this season and I'll be running the 1/4 mile shortly. Have you posted any new drag strip runs lately? I have put over 6,000 miles on my heads and cam car this summer including multiple track days.

We completed another customer car yesterday and will be done with another Monday both customers aren't on the forums. Texas Tonka dropped his off for me today for our Big Brake kit and our Dynamic Suspension package.

**FLATOUT** · 10-09-2015

Originally Posted by Jack B

It was supposed to be in jest.

Sorry for taking it the wrong way then, I can assure you I can't wait to get to the drag strip.

**Jack B** · 10-09-2015

Plus I am jealous, but, I am going to the strip tomorrow. Maybe I can break my 10.85. I do feel good about the McLeod Clutch.

Originally Posted by FLATOUT

Sorry for taking it the wrong way then, I can assure you I can't wait to get to the drag strip.

**pdv25** · 10-09-2015

Originally Posted by Jack B

Plus I am jealous, but, I am going to the strip tomorrow. Maybe I can break my 10.85. I do feel good about the McLeod Clutch.

I'm sure you will do quite well

I expect a new thread from you tomorrow.

**FLATOUT** · 10-09-2015

Originally Posted by Jack B

Plus I am jealous, but, I am going to the strip tomorrow. Maybe I can break my 10.85. I do feel good about the McLeod Clutch.

I'm looking forward to the upgrade

Good luck tomorrow!

**mjorgensen** · 10-10-2015

Finished our 4th starting #5 Monday, The last ACR drove all the way home to Texas in a single stint with our MCS suspension said it was a blast. Can't wait to see what Jack's does at the strip.

**Dusty1** · 10-13-2015

I bought the initial mule with 2,400 miles on it after Dick Winkles took it to Pikes Peak and back to test out the Arrow Stage II programming. After acquiring the car, two days later I drove it back to Pikes Peak for Bucket List #3. Car has all the toys with the big brake kit and Tractive suspension. Car now has 6,600 miles on it an after initially adding some engine oil has settled in. Drive it to work every day its not raining and had zero problems. It is a much different car than my 13 GTS I traded in for it. The torque curve feels much different and in combo with the suspension it lays down power like no other car I have owned. Sound is the big initial difference I notice the most. Of course the push in the back is what you are paying for but with all the toys on the car the whole performance envelope has been moved outward. Kurt has already added harnesses to his car and I am considering doing that and putting in a Gen IV Autoform roll-bar in the car I took out of my 08 Gen IV homeboy ACRX when I converted it. This car will pin your ears back but still be docile enough to drive everyday. I have observed no overheating sitting in rush hour traffic here in Houston on I10.

I haven't posted on this before because I really didn't want to upset anybody who was waiting on the package to be delivered. By purchasing the VE mule I kind of jumped the line so was waiting on folks to begin getting them. I haven't taken the car to a road course and probably won't until NVE2 at NOLA. Not because it wouldn't be a good car for that, but I have my 08 converted ACRX that is a much safer option. The only other track related experience I have had in the car was the Bucket list #3 autocross which it won. If I can answer any further questions as away!

Richard

**OnceBitten** · 10-13-2015

Staying on topic and back to the HP gain questions. What does the area under the curve look like? Any noticeable pick ups through the RPM band? Even just a 25hp gain can be fine if you are seeing decent power 1k RPM earlier.

**mjorgensen** · 10-13-2015

Originally Posted by OnceBitten

Staying on topic and back to the HP gain questions. What does the area under the curve look like? Any noticeable pick ups through the RPM band? Even just a 25hp gain can be fine if you are seeing decent power 1k RPM earlier.

Significant gains stock to finished H/C

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