Who's next for Arrow Heads & Cam

[FLATOUT]

calling dips!

Haha you two and everyone else I can tell you guys I'm staying NA for road racing purposes so we won't be using mine Winkles drives our Gen V at Arrow everyday though so a lot if not all of the stage 3 development will be on that car just like the Heads and Cam Package was. The cam in this package came directly out of Ben's IMSA racecar. Ben has run 9 different cam shafts in his IMSA Viper and the one in the ViperExchange/Arrow Package came directly out of that development process.

[ViperTony]

I've been talking with Mark @ Woodhouse and will do the package when the ACR arrives but that won't be until Jan-Feb, it's going to be a LONG winter.

[SADVIPER]

This is definitely an OEM style effort that will work anywhere anytime as you mention. Our repeated trips to Pikes Peak from Houston proved just that.

I've been wondering since my last road trip from Housten to Pikes Peek in that Chevy Spark lol.. is this trip possible in a Viper? I remember not so many gas stations in the small towns above the mountains somewhere in the outerskirts of Colorado Springs!

Off topic but yeah

[Jack B]

and a great spring - good luck with it

I've been talking with Mark @ Woodhouse and will do the package when the ACR arrives but that won't be until Jan-Feb, it's going to be a LONG winter.

[FLATOUT]

I've been wondering since my last road trip from Housten to Pikes Peek in that Chevy Spark lol.. is this trip possible in a Viper? I remember not so many gas stations in the small towns above the mountains somewhere in the outerskirts of Colorado Springs!

Off topic but yeah

Yes ViperExchange has done it three times with our Heads and Cam test cars.

[mjorgensen]

As far as the rwhp gains like I have said before, dyno to dyno means nothing, its the gains on "your" dyno. We start with a lower baseline number (baseline every build we do N/A or S/C unless the owner does not want to) so using the calculation to get to the 635-645 factory crank number on the gains number also you end up with a 90-95rwhp gain, same as you will find on any health car and the Arrow Stage2 package. We are 5hp down because we use cats on 99% of the cars we build for multiple reasons. Any new car getting this package will gain 15-25 more rwhp with the accumulation of miles after break in. Parts are parts, no magic bullet here, it's just the execution and how thoroughly you complete the package/install. We are finished with the 2nd package and started on the 3rd new ACR today, so far we have been very happy with all the work Arrow put into building this for you guys, and so are the buyers of MANY new 16' and ACRs that we have coming, very very busy times here and thanks to all of you for trusting us with your new baby's. :-)

[Carbon GTS]

I know brother! You know me, I want every bit of HP. I also can't spray a 250 with the arrow lol.

Andy and I were just talking about this... This is the only thing holding me back. The H&C package is super smooth and Id love to have it but I cant spray. Could you imagine 650rwhp and a 250-300 shot?! Good LAWD that would be the answer.

[pdv25]

Andy and I were just talking about this... This is the only thing holding me back. The H&C package is super smooth and Id love to have it but I cant spray. Could you imagine 650rwhp and a 250-300 shot?! Good LAWD that would be the answer.

I wouldn't doubt it could make close to 700whp on motor, if you could use HP tuners! I've made 623/589 with just bolt-ons.

Would be nice if we had that option to use both arrow and HP tuner. Most people would chose Arrow just because it's more convenient (plug and play). Still make decent power and feel safe it's a Mopar tune. Then there are people like myself, that don't mind going to a dyno and extract every bit of power.

Maybe in the future?

[FLATOUT]

Andy and I were just talking about this... This is the only thing holding me back. The H&C package is super smooth and Id love to have it but I cant spray. Could you imagine 650rwhp and a 250-300 shot?! Good LAWD that would be the answer.

We had a discussion about this yesterday. I wouldn't say that it's off the table.

[XSnake]

If you can throw a huge shot on the X motor & tune/ecu I'm not sure what stopping you from doing it on a H&C with Arrow tune. These guys run a 260 shot iirc on both their X's.

[mjorgensen]

Andy and I were just talking about this... This is the only thing holding me back. The H&C package is super smooth and Id love to have it but I cant spray. Could you imagine 650rwhp and a 250-300 shot?! Good LAWD that would be the answer.

The airflow rational calibration has plenty of room in it to run Nitrous, the issue Arrow has is the fact they do not believe there is enough capacity in the factory fuel pump to do it safely. They are working on a pump that would drop in with no other mods needed (will be part of the S/C package), but nothing is available at this time.

[XSnake]

The airflow rational calibration has plenty of room in it to run Nitrous, the issue Arrow has is the fact they do not believe there is enough capacity in the factory fuel pump to do it safely. They are working on a pump that would drop in with no other mods needed (will be part of the S/C package), but nothing is available at this time.

What pump is in the cell in the X's? I've never looked down into mine. That makes some sense though

[FLATOUT]

Andy and I were just talking about this... This is the only thing holding me back. The H&C package is super smooth and Id love to have it but I cant spray. Could you imagine 650rwhp and a 250-300 shot?! Good LAWD that would be the answer.

I had another discussion with Dick this morning and it's coming As already mentioned you're looking at a pump upgrade and lines as well but it is most likely going to happen!

Andy

[F2V]

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Loved your very distinct loping sound at idle, and your tach was reading 1000rpm. Did not hear this loping sound on the Woodhouse video. Wonder why the difference?

[mjorgensen]

What pump is in the cell in the X's? I've never looked down into mine. That makes some sense though

Would likely be just the factory setup Matt.

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Loved your very distinct loping sound at idle, and your tach was reading 1000rpm. Did not hear this loping sound on the Woodhouse video. Wonder why the difference?

Mostly the lack of cats Roy. The Corsa catback with cats also increases the noticeable lope, you can hear it on my FB page on the 2nd car we did. https://www.facebook.com/Woodhouse-M...7736/timeline/

[Jack B]

Why bother with HC:

1. You can get the additional hp with the nitrous.

2. The arrow cam is going to restrict the nitrous hp, you might lose hp.



b

If you can throw a huge shot on the X motor & tune/ecu I'm not sure what stopping you from doing it on a H&C with Arrow tune. These guys run a 260 shot iirc on both their X's.

[Carbon GTS]

I had another discussion with Dick this morning and it's coming As already mentioned you're looking at a pump upgrade and lines as well but it is most likely going to happen!

Andy

Thanks bud I appreciate you pushing this for us.

[FLATOUT]

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Loved your very distinct loping sound at idle, and your tach was reading 1000rpm. Did not hear this loping sound on the Woodhouse video. Wonder why the difference?

American Racing Headers and Corsa catback. With or without cats the lope is much more noticeable with the Corsa mufflers on the car. We have used several different catbacks on our heads and cam builds at ViperExchange and you'll hear the fixed cam much more with Corsa's. I'm actually debating switching to it on my Heads and Cam 15.

Andy

[Murpowa]

Why bother with HC:

1. You can get the additional hp with the nitrous.

2. The arrow cam is going to restrict the nitrous hp, you might lose hp.



b

I don't understand your argument. Unless you are going to run around with your finger on the nitro button 24/7, you would still benefit from the additional power increase from the H/C with a flick of your foot.

[KB Viper]

Would likely be just the factory setup Matt.

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Mostly the lack of cats Roy. The Corsa catback with cats also increases the noticeable lope, you can hear it on my FB page on the 2nd car we did. https://www.facebook.com/Woodhouse-M...7736/timeline/

Mark will you please send me the link to the video of the h&c with corsa and cats. I couldn't find it on your Facebook page and I'd like to add it to the thread

[KB Viper]

I don't understand your argument. Unless you are going to run around with your finger on the nitro button 24/7, you would still benefit from the additional power increase from the H/C with a flick of your foot.

I agree. I want heads/cam and nitrous. I love the idle of a cammed car and the power of nitrous. I think this is the best of both worlds, you'll have a dominating track car and be able to kick ass in a roll race.

[mjorgensen]

Mark will you please send me the link to the video of the h&c with corsa and cats. I couldn't find it on your Facebook page and I'd like to add it to the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7sbnhT6Xwc

[Stealth78]

I do not mean to be disrespectful, however, you should either offer your solution, or better yet go back over the history of this whole development project.

I know that you're responding to someone else but with all do respect, I realize car for car can be different but there is a significant difference here. For the price of this kit 110 rwhp is a deal, 95 rwhp is fair, but I have to agree that this kit would not be worth the money for 70 rwhp.... hfc's or not! If I'm missing something here please correct me as I do make mistakes often.

[Jack B]

This has already been discussed, however:

1. Arrow will never make back the money they have spent in R&D.

2. There is no other NA solution in the near future.

3. The package is as close to oem as it gets. It is street able as oem. The ohio voa was able to drive the arrow mule.

4 The package gets a one year warranty - please give me what warranty your solution has.

5. Probably a more cost effective solution is HPT and headers, however, that is approx 60-70 hp less and will cost approx 4-5k.

6. You are naive in focusing on peak hp, look at % increase from 4000 to 6200 rpm.

Now I want your solution with costs.

I know that you're responding to someone else but with all do respect, I realize car for car can be different but there is a significant difference here. For the price of this kit 110 rwhp is a deal, 95 rwhp is fair, but I have to agree that this kit would not be worth the money for 70 rwhp.... hfc's or not! If I'm missing something here please correct me as I do make mistakes often.

[NoMorZR1]

The difference in dyno #'s is the issue here. You can't compare the stated gains from VE H & C installs to the #'s Woodhouse found with my car. Different dyno machines and testing criteria can account for the differences. Also, as stated by Mark, once my car has a few break-in miles , I should expect to see another 15 to 20rwhp. That puts me right at 90rwhp gained and I'm happy with that. The car is fast, very smooth without surging in all gears, and has exceptional driveability. It is a well engineered option, and I expect you would be pleased with the result if you decided to proceed with Stage 2.