D3 Performance Engineering Gen5 Procharger Development

[Urbamworm]

There is absolutely nothing to compare to with that Lamborghini setup other than it sharing the name "supercharger" to begin with. There is going to be a significant amount more engineering to design that intake manifold the supercharger feeds and then get it cast along with the inlets designed and cast as well. It is ludicrous comparing that to some aluminum intercooler piping which is dirt cheap and fairly "easy" to route and weld together to make the connections for the Viper setup, then making end tanks and welding them to an intercooler core which is also "easy" for a fabricator to do in short time and little cost as well as the airbox. Doing the brackets to mount the ProCharger is probably the biggest cost other than the actual head unit itself.

Then of course that setup you linked is going to have "Lambo" tax making it over twice as much. You want to compare that to something, compare it to this APR supercharger setup they designed for the Audi RS4 which is not a common car and APR has very high quality products. Look at the price, $13,949 with an original list of $17,700, a far cry from $32k and the Magnuson tvs2300 blower it uses are only a few grand when not part of a kit. https://www.goapr.com/products/stage3plus_b7_rs4.html

And I would almost be willing to bet there are a lot more Gallardos out there than there are RS4s since we are talking about low volume.

[Boris540]

I must say - this thread along with the cam and heads thread made me sign up.

I have been on the fence about Vipers for awhile because of lack of tuning/aftermarket support. I am starting to warm up to the idea of buying one now.
So bravo to D3 for developing this system.

Since people seem to be taking shots as to price - I will toss 12-13k and you install it yourself for a complete system. Reason being is that D3 is developing their own brackets (which at least for my company rapid prototype parts like the brackets would be 2k+ each) and like any company wants a ROI. Just too bad Procharger didn't develop their own brackets - this kit could probably have been done for under 10k

[ACR]

This is fantastic and hats off to Evan and D3 but if you want to track, NA is the way to go, HC package for that. Evan, you guys should tackle a cheaper alternative than Arrow, their offering for HC is ludicrous

[Evan@D3PE]

This is fantastic and hats off to Evan and D3 but if you want to track, NA is the way to go, HC package for that. Evan, you guys should tackle a cheaper alternative than Arrow, their offering for HC is ludicrous

We work with Greg Good often

[slowhatch]

Congrats guys, looking very promising. Evan get your butt down to Project X with it this Sunday!

[darbgnik]

There is absolutely nothing to compare to with that Lamborghini setup other than it sharing the name "supercharger" to begin with. There is going to be a significant amount more engineering to design that intake manifold the supercharger feeds and then get it cast along with the inlets designed and cast as well. It is ludicrous comparing that to some aluminum intercooler piping which is dirt cheap and fairly "easy" to route and weld together to make the connections for the Viper setup, then making end tanks and welding them to an intercooler core which is also "easy" for a fabricator to do in short time and little cost as well as the airbox. Doing the brackets to mount the ProCharger is probably the biggest cost other than the actual head unit itself.

Then of course that setup you linked is going to have "Lambo" tax making it over twice as much. You want to compare that to something, compare it to this APR supercharger setup they designed for the Audi RS4 which is not a common car and APR has very high quality products. Look at the price, $13,949 with an original list of $17,700, a far cry from $32k and the Magnuson tvs2300 blower it uses are only a few grand when not part of a kit. https://www.goapr.com/products/stage3plus_b7_rs4.html

And I would almost be willing to bet there are a lot more Gallardos out there than there are RS4s since we are talking about low volume.

You're right. The supercharger kits for the Viper are easy to build, cheap to build, and they will sell a ton of them. I stand corrected.

That's why we have so many to choose from.

BTW, I expected the intake comment when I posted the link. But then again a kit with an intake included should be under 10 grand too, according to some in this thread......... actually...... that was you.

[vegasgtr]

FIX unit I assume is an option? I mean a small cheaper (quiet SI or D) spinning 7-8 psi should be a base kit

6K for the head unit for a BASE 7psi setup is over kill.



Awesome work BTW!! looks great.

[ViperSmith]

You're right. The supercharger kits for the Viper are easy to build, cheap to build, and they will sell a ton of them. I stand corrected.

That's why we have so many to choose from.

BTW, I expected the intake comment when I posted the link. But then again a kit with an intake included should be under 10 grand too, according to some in this thread......... actually...... that was you.

LOL, I love the "it's so easy" guys.

If it is so easy and so easy to recoup the money, why haven't they fronted the cash to build the kits? Crickets.

Kudos to D3!

[dethred]

LOL, I love the "it's so easy" guys.

If it is so easy and so easy to recoup the money, why haven't they fronted the cash to build the kits? Crickets.

Kudos to D3!

Here we go with the "it has two more cylinders, it's not that simple".

Sell the bracket alone then, and I'll piece together the rest. I'll buy the bracket at 200% of cost. That isn't hard is it?

[Evan@D3PE]

FIX unit I assume is an option? I mean a small cheaper (quiet SI or D) spinning 7-8 psi should be a base kit

6K for the head unit for a BASE 7psi setup is over kill.



Awesome work BTW!! looks great.

The head unit is 4K and change at retail pricing. Boost is relevant so you would have to work a smaller blower harder to make the same power. This f1x is the most versatile combo for those who want to make anywhere between 700-1300 without changing much. The d1 has different mounting points and would take a different bracket

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Here we go with the "it has two more cylinders, it's not that simple".

Sell the bracket alone then, and I'll piece together the rest. I'll buy the bracket at 200% of cost. That isn't hard is it?

Good luck lol. Not that others couldn't do it but not quite that simple either

[Evan@D3PE]

Congrats guys, looking very promising. Evan get your butt down to Project X with it this Sunday!

If it's clear and dry I might roll out with a couple customers

[Crash]

Went by D3 for the second weekend in a row and Evan was gracious enough to take me for a short spin in the car. Gotta say they've knocked it out of the park with this kit. No CEL, car ran smoothe with no issues. Was a short drive with just a couple 1st and 2nd gear pulls, but the car ran like stock......with a lot more power. They did this kit right and going with the F1X only means it can be turned up. Not need to go with a smaller blower. I would say this kit as is would be very trackable as well. Well done Evan and everyone at D3.

[vegasgtr]

The head unit is 4K and change at retail pricing. Boost is relevant so you would have to work a smaller blower harder to make the same power. This f1x is the most versatile combo for those who want to make anywhere between 700-1300 without changing much. The d1 has different mounting points and would take a different bracket

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Good luck lol. Not that others couldn't do it but not quite that simple either

gotcha looks awesome

[dethred]

The head unit is 4K and change at retail pricing. Boost is relevant so you would have to work a smaller blower harder to make the same power. This f1x is the most versatile combo for those who want to make anywhere between 700-1300 without changing much. The d1 has different mounting points and would take a different bracket

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Good luck lol. Not that others couldn't do it but not quite that simple either

So does that mean you'll sell individual parts separately? You guys may price it realistically and this is a mootest point, but if you price it high, you'll realize that the Viper itself is a value proposition. Mods don't sell in large numbers because, while the car isn't sold in huge numbers, it will sell even fewer mods if they're given a superfluous supercar tax.

[rlhay2]

So does that mean you'll sell individual parts separately? You guys may price it realistically and this is a mootest point, but if you price it high, you'll realize that the Viper itself is a value proposition. Mods don't sell in large numbers because, while the car isn't sold in huge numbers, it will sell even fewer mods if they're given a superfluous supercar tax.

So now forum members are giving successful tuner shops advice on business acumen?!?!

Some of us need to pump the brakes and back away from the keyboard. Or take an Econ 101 class and pay attention to the sections on supply vs demand.

Now can we get back to FI Viper discussions and leave the rudimentary business lessons for another thread?

[Nine Ball]

So now forum members are giving successful tuner shops advice on business acumen?!?!

Some of us need to pump the brakes and back away from the keyboard. Or take an Econ 101 class and pay attention to the sections on supply vs demand.

Now can we get back to FI Viper discussions and leave the rudimentary business lessons for another thread?

Glad you said it first.

People always want things cheap. The fact is that no other supercharger kit is available for the Gen 5. Supply vs demand should dictate the price. You can still bet it will be a lot cheaper than the Mopar version!

[Jack B]

This forum is amazing, early on, there was nothing good about the G5 according to to the trolls, wannabes and uninformed.

Now, with records falling and unlimited options, the trolls, wannabes and UNINFORMED continue to cackle and use the search function.

If you want to act stupid, start your own thread and do not high-jack an excellent thread by an excellent supporter of the viper platform.

I know, this is an open forum and I know a very few of you will not like this post - hey it is an open forum

So now forum members are giving successful tuner shops advice on business acumen?!?!

Some of us need to pump the brakes and back away from the keyboard. Or take an Econ 101 class and pay attention to the sections on supply vs demand.

Now can we get back to FI Viper discussions and leave the rudimentary business lessons for another thread?

[ViperTony]

This forum is amazing, early on, there was nothing good about the G5 according to to the trolls, wannabes and uninformed.

Now, with records falling and unlimited options, the trolls, wannabes and UNINFORMED continue to cackle and use the search function.

If you want to act stupid, start your own thread and do not high-jack an excellent thread by an excellent supporter of the viper platform.

I know, this is an open forum and I know a very few of you will not like this post - hey it is an open forum

Amen.

[RT SERPENT]

Glad you said it first.

People always want things cheap. The fact is that no other supercharger kit is available for the Gen 5. Supply vs demand should dictate the price. You can still bet it will be a lot cheaper than the Mopar version!

Well put.
No one wants an outrageous "viper tax", but folks…… R&D costs money, which must be recouped.

[G37Sam]

Evan will you please some more D3 supercharger porn to get everyone off their keyboards

[Steve M]

I have a feeling if you get a video of the car running against a bolt-on or heads/cam car, you'll have no problems selling that system.

[socal]

They have every right to charge what the market will bare. And right now, they are the SC viper market. Kudos to them

[Evan@D3PE]

Evan will you please some more D3 supercharger porn to get everyone off their keyboards

[pdv25]

That looks GOOD! Very impressed with your work!

[Rapidrezults]

The package looks absolutely beautiful. Everyone should thank you for documenting the fabrication process as well. It was fun following along. If I'm ever in the market for the baddest supercharger or turbo kit I'm coming to you for sure.