D3 Performance Engineering Gen5 Procharger Development

[rlhay2]

Question: is it possible to run a ProEFI or Motec and then install the HPTuners ECU to pass a plug in OBD-II (i.e. Texas) emissions inspection?

I would not care if HPTuners can handle boost or not as long as it passed the inspection.
Once a passing inspection sticker was obtained, I'd swap the other ECU back in repeat every 12 months.

I have spoken to a tuner and STOCK PCM using HPtuners he was able to achieve 8psi , just needed to address fuel. ...said he was able to achieve 17psi if i recall on hptuners.

cough cough.

Vaporware...
I'd love to hear from a customer using HPTuners in a boosted application on a Gen V Viper!!!
Regrettably, they all seem to be overseas...

[Evan@D3PE]

Question: is it possible to run a ProEFI or Motec and then install the HPTuners ECU to pass a plug in OBD-II (i.e. Texas) emissions inspection?

I would not care if HPTuners can handle boost or not as long as it passed the inspection.
Once a passing inspection sticker was obtained, I'd swap the other ECU back in repeat every 12 months.

We have yet to tune anything boosted with the HPT stuff so that would still have to be determined. There's a chance but we couldn't say for sure until we've done it.

[moe.basilo]

LOL!!!!



cough cough.

Ed, i think you are trying to say something over here
so far you are the man to tune these venoms on a stock ECU
i guess ill send you a PM when my kit is ready buddy

[moe.basilo]

Moe, based on some of your videos, I'm sure there are a lot of people around you who hope you don't get one.

LOL
i can't wait to modify the venom, youll see alot of videos and more action man
am sure alot of guys are excited already so yeah lets bring it on!

[Steve M]

Vaporware...
I'd love to hear from a customer using HPTuners in a boosted application on a Gen V Viper!!!
Regrettably, they all seem to be overseas...

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States. That said, they both might have access to an early beta release that has not been released to the general public. HPTuners has a network of people that help them verify functionality and stability of their latest updates before they release them for mass consumption. The last time they did something like this, they unlocked about 40 additional editable parameters (including exhaust cam control)...I heard rumors of this about 2 months prior to them releasing it to the general public (like me) for use.

In the world of aftermarket tuning, patience is key...reverse engineering code unique to a single platform is a time intensive process that requires a lot of feedback. I've found a couple of bugs that I'm working with them to have addressed, and they have been appreciative of the feedback.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States.

I haven't seen any video proof of ANY cars other than mine running ANY boost on a stock ECU.

That said, they both might have access to an early beta release that has not been released to the general public. HPTuners has a network of people that help them verify functionality and stability of their latest updates before they release them for mass consumption. The last time they did something like this, they unlocked about 40 additional editable parameters (including exhaust cam control)...I heard rumors of this about 2 months prior to them releasing it to the general public (like me) for use.

I am NOT using a newer beta version for any of my tuning work that I speak of openly. My beta version is several months old (I just haven't had a chance to DL the newest version because I don't have a need to) and is the same beta you would have the ability to DL.

Ed, i think you are trying to say something over here
so far you are the man to tune these venoms on a stock ECU
i guess ill send you a PM when my kit is ready buddy

You let me know when the kit is on it and I'll make that supercharged engine run like a TOP with the stock ECU.

[Evan@D3PE]

Reverse engineering of the gearbox:

The F1X gearbox sprayed with a powder in preparation of laser scanning



The laser scan of the gearbox ready to be converted to a solid model for the CAD program



The final Solidworks model

[rlhay2]

Edward has posted videos, and Torrie @ Unleashed Tuning got his turbo Gen 5 running as well, both using HPT, both here in the States.

I have had conversations with Torrie, your information is not completely accurate. Feel free to reach out to Torrie, he is very candid and explanatory regarding the current development and capabilities of HPTuners with the Gen V platform.

If you ask Torrie questions, you get answers!
If you ask Even (of D3E) questions, you get answers!
In direct contrast to the smoke and mirrors offered by this other tuner.

In the world of aftermarket tuning, patience is key...reverse engineering code unique to a single platform is a time intensive process that requires a lot of feedback. I've found a couple of bugs that I'm working with them to have addressed, and they have been appreciative of the feedback.

This statement I completely agree with! I've a background in programming/engineering so I am not completely unfamiliar with the process.

[Malu59RT]

Love the reverse engineering, cool thread!

[Steve M]

I have had conversations with Torrie, your information is not completely accurate. Feel free to reach out to Torrie, he is very candid and explanatory regarding the current development and capabilities of HPTuners with the Gen V platform.

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

[vegasgtr]

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

+1.
He told me the exact same thing. If he had it running , he had it running at 8psi.

[slovenom]

Edward the wizard

[KB Viper]

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[HANKFAN]

Glad to see someone actually building a centrifugal supercharger kit for the new Vipers instead of just talking about it. Looks like D3 is building a quality kit. Looking forward to seeing the results.

[viper04]

As of July 18th, he told me that he had his car up and running 8 psi with no limp mode, but stated that his fuel system was in need of an upgrade before he could proceed further.

I only know what I've been told.

This is my understanding too. Here is the link post #122. Is there more to this? Torrie is a stand up guy.
http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...279#post153279

[rlhay2]

Is there more to this? Torrie is a stand up guy.
http://driveviper.com/forums/threads...279#post153279

Torrie of Unleashed Tuning and Evan of D3 Performance are both stand up guys!!

This is a D3 Performance thread!
Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

Feel free to reach out to them and I am certain they will share all they have learned from their work!

I've no hesitation about doing business with either shop and early in 2016, one of the these credible businesses is going to get my $$,$$$ to build me a FI Gen V Viper!!

[Evan@D3PE]

Torrie of Unleashed Tuning and Evan of D3 Performance are both stand up guys!!

This is a D3 Performance thread!
Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

Feel free to reach out to them and I am certain they will share all they have learned from their work!

I've no hesitation about doing business with either shop and early in 2016, one of the these credible businesses is going to get my $$,$$$ to build me a FI Gen V Viper!!

While we already have our standalone EMS system developed and available if needed, it is still very beneficial to everyone if the stock ECU can be used for forced induction so we do hope that's the case or at least will be! We would love to ship supercharger kits to customers and network dealers all over the world so that would open up the tuning side greatly!

[Steve M]

Thus, I don't think it proper to discuss the nuances of a competing shop's project.

It wasn't a discussion of a competing shop's product - rather, it was (or at least was intended to be) a discussion about potential engine management solutions. There are at least two people that have proven that it can be done with HPT - that being the case, it could significantly reduce the price of the base kit for this application. Would it have all of the bells and whistles you could get with a full stand-alone system? No, but that could be offered at a higher price point for customers that demand those features. I'm guessing that will be a small subset of the crowd that would seriously consider going the ProCharger route with a Gen 5 Viper.

[ddominator1]

yessss!! could not imagine 800whp in this thing.. would you offer a raffle for members of this forum?? lol

[rlhay2]

rather, it was (or at least was intended to be) a discussion about potential engine management solutions.

As far as ultimate performance goes, the ProEFI or a Motec is going to be very hard to beat...VERY hard!!

But, for passing most state emissions testing, the OEM PCM must be used.

There will soon be a viable FI solution for the Gen V market using HPTuners!
And by viable, I mean complete OEM levels of functionality are retained while performing properly in a boosted application.

Not a "we made it work" scenario.

One potential possibility is having a ProEFI Ecu installed for most of the driving and then using a HPTuners PCM to pass state inspections.

If that ever becomes a viable solution, D3 and a multitude of other shops will make it known that using the OEM PCM is now an available option.

[Carbon GTS]

While we already have our standalone EMS system developed and available if needed, it is still very beneficial to everyone if the stock ECU can be used for forced induction so we do hope that's the case or at least will be! We would love to ship supercharger kits to customers and network dealers all over the world so that would open up the tuning side greatly!

Glad you posted this... at the end of the day
HPT is the way to the masses. If you build it with HPT count me in.

[moe.basilo]

I haven't seen any video proof of ANY cars other than mine running ANY boost on a stock ECU.


I am NOT using a newer beta version for any of my tuning work that I speak of openly. My beta version is several months old (I just haven't had a chance to DL the newest version because I don't have a need to) and is the same beta you would have the ability to DL.



You let me know when the kit is on it and I'll make that supercharged engine run like a TOP with the stock ECU.

Alright Ed will do buddy thanks for the support

[moe.basilo]

Reverse engineering of the gearbox:

The F1X gearbox sprayed with a powder in preparation of laser scanning



The laser scan of the gearbox ready to be converted to a solid model for the CAD program



The final Solidworks model

Great work evan, we are all excited already i can not wait till you guys announce the kit to the public
Good luck in finalizing the final touches .. Am sure the list of orders going to be one hell of a long list

[Evan@D3PE]

More progress from today!

[Y'orange_UAE]

More progress from today!

Great work D3PE and i really can't wait to see the complete system and especially the pipe design from the intercooler to TB and the air inlet!

Good luck with the progress.