In the interest of keeping our results together for easier reference lets put them in here before they get too spread out in multiple threads.
Will be a lot easier to compare.
http://i.imgur.com/e0meXaY.jpg
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In the interest of keeping our results together for easier reference lets put them in here before they get too spread out in multiple threads.
Will be a lot easier to compare.
http://i.imgur.com/e0meXaY.jpg
Okie Dokie
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Better, but not great :(
Can't read, look at Viper Jon, that's what we need to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Truckin
Here are my results. 1700 mile or so (dealer oil change before I got the car). I changed the oil for a track day and also so I can start my own intervals. Felt good reading that description ha
http://i64.tinypic.com/smr6zn.png
Here's Space Truckin's results.
http://i.imgur.com/sUCQMG0.jpg?2
Viper Jon fixed it for me...:witless:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxtk
Here's mine after 500 break in miles. A little concerned about the viscosity so I emailed Blackstone and here's what they said:
Two common causes of a thin viscosity are contamination from excess fuel, or normal engine shearing. We didn't find any fuel in your sample, so that wouldn't be the reason for the viscosity. Some engines just tend to thin the oil down while in use, and we may find your Viper to be one of them. The viscosity was only slightly below our expected range, and that in itself isn't something we consider harmful or problematic.
Just have to watch.
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Great thread!
Damn size...I'll see what I can do to make it more legible
Viper Jon fixed mine, for the life of me I could not get it right....:witless:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vette2Viper
Here's a copy of Vette2Vipers oil analysis for easier reading:
http://i.imgur.com/BQ50GHe.jpg?1
Oil change completed. Oil in bottle. Sending it out on Monday.
Do you guys know how much oil is required for analysis? I forgot to get a sample during the last oil change and now I am trying to get oil drips out of my old oil filter. I got a few drops out. How much do they need?
Might be best to give them a call about that as the container you fill (that they provide) is at least 3-4 ounces.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek1
^ What Jon said. There is a video on their site explaining how to take a sample. In the video they said about 3oz. They also mentioned they could do some, not all analysis with less. I forget exactly. Check out the vid and/or contact them directly.
Attachment 20343I am posting my Blackstone Oil Analysis - just received today and I am relieved with the good report. I had R28/R29 done in Apr with a good report back from Arrow....however, when I took the Viper in for my most recent oil change, the dealer called and said that R28 was showing as incomplete on the FCA recall site. We discussed, as me, the service manager and the viper tech (who is the only one to ever touch the car maintenance-wise) vividly remember that both 28/29 were done. Anyway, they kept the car about a week as they had to order the R28 kit - I had them pull a midstream oil sample for Blackstone when they did the service. The car has just over 4K miles - one owner with no mods, this is my 4th oil change for the record. I know the R28 two times is more than odd - and don't think anyone else has reported this. I am going to stop by the dealer tomorrow to see if the Arrow report...now the 2nd one is back.
It's very common for the R28 to show as not done when it has been. That's because the dealer had to go back in when the results come back and close it out with the results. Most dealers don't know this. They get the letter, tell the owner and that's it, and the R28 remains open. Your dealer just has to go in and close out your R28 as a 'passed'. If they dont know how, they can just call in to SRT and they'll talk them thru it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdairII
Yes, mine shows as open when it was indeed done back in February. I'm actually going in next week for annual state inspection, and an oil change as well. I'm sure my service advisor will tell me it's open, even though I'm done. Thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to tell him to go in and close it with a "pass".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman
Good info to know -
I am waiting for the second R28 now - ha
I called SRT today (didn't see the previous post yet) and the person stated that possibly the paperwork was mixed up or the sample was not logged right....lots of "possible" reasons, never did she say that it requires the dealer to close out the recall...which makes the most sense. I had to point out a few other Recall website issues, like the FCA recall hotline # posted there is disconnected and that the hyperlinks for R28 and R29 no longer have the documents posted and that the description of the two recall campaigns say that R28 and R29 are both for position sensor nodes and nodules (at least on my VIN recall page) She was nice though.
Yes, I will actually take my R28 "pass" letter with me when I go in next week.
Dman is 100% correct - just left the dealer and they confirmed they should have went back in the system in March with the first "pass" and closed out the recall. So now I have 2 Arrow letters with a "pass" result and a Blackstone analysis with a glowing report! Done worrying about engine failure. It looks like Richard Winkles, Chief Engineer at Prefix-Arrow Racing Engine certified my 2nd test.
Here is mine...Not sure how to make it any larger. Why is the Molybdenum so high yet they say no worries or issues? The car had 2 oil changes prior to this sample being submitted.
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Mine was at 238. Blackstone didn't seem too worried about it.
Here's mine. I've had 1 track day and 4 oil changes. The Arrow PCM has been installed since the beginning and I've never driven the car without it.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...pshjrfqybc.jpg
Do you change your oil every 300 or was that just for the sample? My concern would be that if there was an issue 308 mile oil change intervals may not be sufficient time for it to show symptoms with your sample. I'm postulating here but some if the "failed negatives" from r28 may have been from relatively fresh oil. At least you have a baseline reading of fresh oil and can see how say 1500-2k miles looks on your second measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by esm_viper
It was just for the sample. It was changed for the recalls. Before that it was changed at 500 miles and then at 1,500 for a track day.
And I just wanted a baseline since I've had the Arrow unit from the start. Not planning on changing until 3k miles or the next track day.
To add to that.... if my car doesn't show signs of debris that has caused other cars to spin bearings, it should make the case better for the Arrow PCM not causing engine failure!
I remember back when the R28 was issues, basically, somewhere it was stated mileage on the oil shouldn't matter. If there were debris, it would show even on fresh oil. Maybe.....
But I agree, perhaps that's why a couple R28 passes have failed later.
I agree. Not really time sensitive. If there is debris in the engine and it has found its way into a crevice or has stuck to something during casting, it may never free itself to cause an issue. On the other hand, it could be sitting waiting for the factory oil fill and start floating around immediately, ready to attack your bearings during your first drive. A little bit of wear-in debris is normal and should collect in the filter right away.
Here's a reply from Blackstone on my short interval oil sample.....
Hi, Eric. Thanks for the email.
Yes, if there was a serious issue, we'd expect metals to be reading high,
even on a short oil run like this. Obviously, some metals will build up
more over time if you run longer on future oil change intervals, so we'll
have to see if the trends show wear metals holding steady even after longer
oil change intervals, but as for what we can see in this report, there's no
evidence of bearing wear or any other issues at this point. It looks great!
Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you.
Thanks!
So, this is somewhat interesting...
High initial levels of metal after the first oil change at 1,834 miles on the factory fill for the initial break-in. Changed it to 15W50 for mostly track use and now that it's up for the winter, sent the sample to Blackstone. Overall, metals improved except for aluminum which actually increased. Not really sure what this portends but oil levels have been fine ever since delivery.
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/j...ps8vtrez1h.jpg
Just got mine. All break-in done by the book. Will be interested to see the next report at 1000miles!
http://i.imgur.com/wSiKXYn.jpg
Here's my second Blackstone report. This was Pennzoil 0w-40 and had 725 miles on the oil. Car had 1700 on it. Now I went back to Mobil One for no particular reason. Everything looks normal apparently, no excess metals for what that's worth.
http://i.imgur.com/K4P8RbI.jpg
Second engine. This oil added at 2500 and changed at 3500
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Ben, seems like they were a little concerned (??) about the Al and Fe?
Yeah, its pretty high I'll check again in 1000 miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by swexlin
I wonder if anyone has ever received a really disturbing report from them, it seems like all the "comments" they provide are kind of generic.
Basically everybody looks within normal range and keep sending samples in lol.
Just read a fantastic thread on an unrelated forum suggesting that blackstone wasn't the best place to go for things like this.
Quoted from RZR forums - "Yep, don't guess. Use an ASTM certified lab as well. Don't use Blackstone, they aren't accurate with fuel dilution and aren't ASTM certified."
I was in the diesel truck scene for many years, and all my truck buddies swear by them. But it does indeed seem like they say, well, we saw cat pee in the oil, but this could be normal, let's just see next sample, LOL!
Did they suggest any companies?Quote:
Originally Posted by donk_316
I still have the old oil. Id be curious to get a second opinion on the same sample.