Sean Roe interested in feedback

[dave6666]

Got an email from him requesting level of interest on an another production of blowers. Sounds like the same one he made before. He's trying to gauge interest. I have 2 of them including some modifications he won't include, so I don't need another. Just passing this along. Please contact him directly if you are interested.

[ellowviper]

That's good news indeed...but as we've seen over the years; "interest" vs. actually buying can be a tricky proposition. I'll be selling my set-up next spring and although there will definitely be 'interest' in my system, finding someone to actually buy will be challenging. You know the deal better than anyone.

[Coloviper]

With the bigger blower coming from Prefix/Tomball for GEN V, if that blower is somehow used, then yes. Older setup, no! At least for me anyway. I realize that requires new base intake. But is intercooled too.

[dave6666]

The new G5 setup you are referring to will be quite expensive on a Gen 2 as compared to an old school Roe. You will need G4 heads too. Plus all the other aspects that conversions take. So a used Roe at $5K will still be a desirable package to some based on cost etc. Although I doubt ellow will sell his for that amount. I could sell both of mine for $5K each and come out just fine. If I decide to do something different. I'm currently not unhappy tho.

[Troublemaker]

I have to be honest, the pricing is going to dictate the interest. I am finding out as I go that a NA motor is expensive to build, so if the cost was kept in line with similar or better output, the interest would be there. Is there anything in the works for some type of intercooler?

[dave6666]

There are some individuals tinkering with intercoolers, but I do not believe Sean is, nor would at the suggested pricing it be included if he was.

[PittsburghRT]

I doubt if it will happen. People will say they are interested and when it comes time actually to buy there's no cash.

[RedEnuf93]

I could not be happier with my GEN 1 Roe Blower, installed in 2006.
Pulls like a raped moose.

http://s29.postimg.org/6n69c1mx3/DSCN4349.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6zxni856r/full/)
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[slovenom]

I could not be happier with my GEN 1 Roe Blower, installed in 2006.
Pulls like a raped moose.

http://s29.postimg.org/6n69c1mx3/DSCN4349.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6zxni856r/full/)
[url=http://postimage.org/]that looks awesome

[whitebluevipe]

i am hoping to get one.

[Coloviper]

The new G5 setup you are referring to will be quite expensive on a Gen 2 as compared to an old school Roe. You will need G4 heads too. Plus all the other aspects that conversions take. So a used Roe at $5K will still be a desirable package to some based on cost etc. Although I doubt ellow will sell his for that amount. I could sell both of mine for $5K each and come out just fine. If I decide to do something different. I'm currently not unhappy tho.

Dave, this is what I was trying to say, can that Roe setup as is, not be modified just for the new G5 supercharger unit as opposed to the Whipple unit. Just use the newer blower unit? No head changes, just a modified intake where it mounts?

[dave6666]

Dave, this is what I was trying to say, can that Roe setup as is, not be modified just for the new G5 supercharger unit as opposed to the Whipple unit. Just use the newer blower unit? No head changes, just a modified intake where it mounts?

I'm not exactly following your logic here, but it's the intake manifold that makes the blower kit exclusive. And it's an expensive part. So by the time you change the blower itself and make a new intake to adapt it, you have probably exceeded the original purchase price.

[Fatboy 18]

Would love one but can't afford one :( + the price we pay for Gas here compared to you guys I could not afford to run the car, unlike a lot of people in the UK i actually use my car ;)

[Camfab]

A one off custom manifold with no volume can be had for $3500. It's not that big of a deal, problem is...... Viper vendors are used to huge margins (I get it). The big dogs (except for Paxton) have no desire to build a properly designed high output blower package for the Viper. For the time being the GEN I, II cars are cheap and not attractive to the ballers with cash. Down the road when prices shoot up, it'll be all about bone stock cars. Rock in a hard place. Years ago when I did my car, I thought long and hard about the Roe. I love the look of that package, but with such a tiny blower, non CARB compliance and an extra 100 lbs of weight exactly where you don't want it. I had to pass. The look and the instant torque will make a believer out of anyone on the street. If you think a N/A build is cheaper than a blower package your in for a rude awakening. On the other hand, if your like most, more is never enough. The right approach is to build a N/A car first with the right head and cam package that will accommodate a blower in the future.

All that said, I don't see why Sean doesn't pump a few units out and have them on hand. It's not like he hasn't made his money on R&D many times over. There is always an interest, even if it's one or two units a year.

[slitherv10]

What is the main and for that matter, difference between the Roe and Paxtons?

[dave6666]

What is the main and for that matter, difference between the Roe and Paxtons?

Blower type, manifold type, performance type.

Basically, everything.

[Ricketts]

Most exciting Viper news I've heard in awhile. I'd love one for my car.

[Simms]

Great product! Loved my 96 during the Roe days.

[RTTTTed]

I have a huge hp TT and a Roe blown GTS. I love my Roe car!

My TT is the way to go if you want stupid fast. 9 sec on pumpgas and 1100whp. Over 1500whp on race gas. Great for fast, not so great for street driving as the power is uncontrollable. Purchased Motec and suspension parts to add TC and dash controlled boost control. It takes wrinkle slicks to have any traction.

My Roe GTS is awesome. It is easy to control and an amazing car that has instant throttle repsonse. The full boost at 2000rpm is what make the TS blower so unique and (IMO) better than the other FI options. I drive my Roe car to competitions as far away as 2200miles (SSCC in Vegas) and I've driven it cross continent a few times. My Roe GTS gets 20mpg(US) on the hwy. I added Nitrous for the days when there are 900whp cars to compete with. My Roe GTS is about 700+whp.

I would like a little more power and plan to change to a KB Megablower to my Roe build. I know this will mean adding a hood scoop and chopping my hood, but in a few years ...

[HKViper]

I am hoping to get into a GTS within the next couple of months, and the biggest disappointment to me has been that the ROE supercharger is no longer available. If they were to come back, even for a short period of time, I would be all over that like a pig in shit! 99 GTS black on black with a roe system is my absolute dream car....

[Fatboy 18]

I am hoping to get into a GTS within the next couple of months, and the biggest disappointment to me has been that the ROE supercharger is no longer available. If they were to come back, even for a short period of time, I would be all over that like a pig in shit! 99 GTS black on black with a roe system is my absolute dream car....

Well if that's what you are after, why not find one already done and save yourself some big bucks?

[BlackSnake99]

99 GTS black on black with a roe system is my absolute dream car....

Good taste. :D

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t362/ForTheAlley/65E3ED8D-0C4B-4EB6-A87F-816A05827DA4_zps3rhtumgr.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/ForTheAlley/media/65E3ED8D-0C4B-4EB6-A87F-816A05827DA4_zps3rhtumgr.jpg.html)

[dave6666]

There are plenty of Roes available. Both on cars, and off. But just like cam sensors, people are too lazy to spend time looking and would rather post about how hard things are to find.

I'm basing that statement, both on the Roe and cam sensors, that with some effort and patience, I ultimately found exactly what I was looking for.


Great looking car Jack. Time to update the pic tho.

[Sybil TF]

There are plenty of Roes available. Both on cars, and off. But just like cam sensors, people are too lazy to spend time looking and would rather post about how hard things are to find.

I think the fact that you can't buy the sensor at any of the well known parts stores due to being discontinued makes it frustrating, especially for maybe a viper owner who doesn't post or look at viper car forums all that much. So they go on ebay and see some schmuck selling one for $500.00 and go into a tailspin :smilielol: Then they see someone hoarding them because they are so plentiful:smilielol:

[BlackSnake99]

Great looking car Jack. Time to update the pic tho.

How's this?

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t362/ForTheAlley/D99CB4D7-72AC-4E92-A2DD-7CA3AE5A07D8_zpsth8s1tzg.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/ForTheAlley/media/D99CB4D7-72AC-4E92-A2DD-7CA3AE5A07D8_zpsth8s1tzg.jpg.html)

[dave6666]

I think the fact that you can't buy the sensor at any of the well known parts stores due to being discontinued makes it frustrating, especially for maybe a viper owner who doesn't post or look at viper car forums all that much. So they go on ebay and see some schmuck selling one for $500.00 and go into a tailspin :smilielol: Then they see someone hoarding them because they are so plentiful:smilielol:

"a viper owner who doesn't post or look at viper car forums all that much."

We. Aren't. That. Stupid.

[Sybil TF]

"a viper owner who doesn't post or look at viper car forums all that much."

We. Aren't. That. Stupid. The guy I bought mine from never posted or looked at the sites and only heard of one.

He. Was. From. Texas. lol

[HKViper]

Well if that's what you are after, why not find one already done and save yourself some big bucks?

Trust me, if it were that simple I would. I could probably tell you every car with the mileage, price and location that is available online right now. I search every day, looking, plotting and planning, just waiting for the right one to come available to buy.

[Fatboy 18]

Trust me, if it were that simple I would. I could probably tell you every car with the mileage, price and location that is available online right now. I search every day, looking, plotting and planning, just waiting for the right one to come available to buy.

There's one out there with your name on it, keep searching and asking ;)

[slovenom]

Can Sean himself get in here?
Is he a member?

[ICPREY]

Yea he has posted before, my guess is he's a pretty busy guy and has little time to follow the forums. Email him or hit him up on Facebook.

[95Viper]

I believe a lot of factors will determine how many might actually sell..... my opinion...... I believe the following questions would be relevant to not only me but others as well....

1) Cost - the obvious one
2) Which Unit - with many sizes and new styles available would it be a newer updated screw box or just a rehashed old style unit?
3) Options available?
4) Intercooler used?
5) For Gen1 users- ECU program available?
6) Type of injectors needed?
7) For those of us who have DEQ testing would it pass a sniff test?

These are a few questions I would have,,,, since I have a gen1 my concerns are a little different than others.... I love the look and am sure I would enjoy the power upgrade but its gonna cost a chunk and I would hope it would be new, better stuff than what was available back then.... my 2cents

[ICPREY]

1) Cost - the obvious one
2) Which Unit - with many sizes and new styles available would it be a newer updated screw box or just a rehashed old style unit?
3) Options available?
4) Intercooler used?
5) For Gen1 users- ECU program available?
6) Type of injectors needed?
7) For those of us who have DEQ testing would it pass a sniff test?


Some of your questions have been answered on FB by Sean.

1) "Trying to keep them in the prior $7,500 range if the volume is there."
2) Bigger than the prior units... my guess would be the 2.8L or H.
3) I could be wrong, but there will be minor options like a polished compressor or basic black.
4) Doubtful on the intercooler
5) VEC-Gen 1, SCT for Gen 2.
6) Normally the kits came with the required injectors.
7) Yea good luck with that..

[Camfab]

how's this?

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t362/forthealley/d99cb4d7-72ac-4e92-a2dd-7ca3ae5a07d8_zpsth8s1tzg.jpg (http://s1056.photobucket.com/user/forthealley/media/d99cb4d7-72ac-4e92-a2dd-7ca3ae5a07d8_zpsth8s1tzg.jpg.html)

bad ass!

[95Viper]

facebook????? I hate facebook,,,, not one to search there is why I didn't know that...thankyou

[Sybil TF]

facebook????? I hate facebook,,,, not one to search there is why I didn't know that...thankyouLOL... Good man.

[dave6666]

I got a reply back from Sean. In short, he expects to be able to release some details soon.

[HKViper]

Now I have no choice but to get a viper......and FAST!

[95Viper]

Now I have no choice but to stop eating and to stop feeding my kid so I can save up for one.... :fpopcorn:

[Fatboy 18]

facebook????? I hate facebook,,,, not one to search there is why I didn't know that...thank youMe to, I don't do facebook,
I think a lot of UK Guys do, that's why its so quiet on the UK region forum. Think I'm the only one left that does not use it!

[Ricketts]

facebook????? I hate facebook,,,, not one to search there is why I didn't know that...thankyou

Facebook groups have slowed forum traffic in all hobbies.

[ViperTony]

I doubt if it will happen. People will say they are interested and when it comes time actually to buy there's no cash.

This. The reality of this is that Sean will only be able to produce these IF people actually pay up for them. It's one thing to say "I'm interested" but another to follow through and put down cash so Sean can produce them. I believe he needs 50?commitments in order to make the dollars work for this. Lots of people were interested in 2007/2008 too. :rolleyes: I doubt this will happen and not because of a lack of effort by Sean.

[VENIMUS]

Enjoyed a Roe Blower for years on my 2001 ACR. Just sold it. Went quick. Go Steelers.

[Sybil TF]

Enjoyed a Roe Blower for years on my 2001 ACR. Just sold it. Went quick. Go Steelers.You sold the blower or the car? Or both?

[dave6666]

I wonder if he'll be including a complimentary cam sensor with each purchase.

[RTTTTed]

Last time I poke with Sean it was 10 units before he`d get them made.

To another question; Car should pass emmissions testing except for the paperwork. Not certified in Calif and because of the expense I would not expect compliance. If the car is tuned properly emmissions shouldn`t be a problem unless there`s something wrong with the car.

[dave6666]

Well it appears the new economics is 50 units. I would supposed that's to keep the old pricing.

[Matt Dillon]

Well it appears the new economics is 50 units. I would supposed that's to keep the old pricing.

Apparently, he's Not REALLY Wanting to fool with them! :)

[whitebluevipe]

any updates?

[dave6666]

any updates?

He's probably waiting on all the tire kickers to get their wallets out.

[VIPER BAZ UK]

My Roe blown heads and cam RT/10 is for sale .....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271958654538?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

[dave6666]

My Roe blown heads and cam RT/10 is for sale .....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271958654538?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Great looking car. Good luck with the sale.

[Next Phase]

Hard to get your wallet out when there is no word from Sean in this thread. 50 orders needed to get the $7,500 pricing? Yeah, that's not happening.

[dave6666]

Hard to get your wallet out when there is no word from Sean in this thread. 50 orders needed to get the $7,500 pricing? Yeah, that's not happening.

Should have seen his update on fb lol.

[Vprbite]

I am hoping to get into a GTS within the next couple of months, and the biggest disappointment to me has been that the ROE supercharger is no longer available. If they were to come back, even for a short period of time, I would be all over that like a pig in shit! 99 GTS black on black with a roe system is my absolute dream car....


Jumping into a FI car as your first Viper is like learning how to swim by jumping off a crab boat in Alaska. I'm not saying it can't be done, but your nuts are gonna be in your throat for a while. Of course plenty of people here have done it. It's just a big jump is all. I would say if you do get a blower car, talk to those who drive them regularly in your local club and learn from them before hopping in and stomping on it. Or, get the car and the blower, drive the car and decide you definitely want it. Either of those are good options. You may find you don't want it. As people said on here they thought about it but ultimately decided against it. It's a personal choice. To me, I find NA builds sexy. But it's about preference and use. I also wouldn't let an otherwise perfect car pass by because it didn't have a supercharger on it. The supercharger can be located, the clean car may be harder. I hope that helps in your search. Happy hunting.

[dave6666]

1) get blower
2) go to large parking lot during off peak hours
3) nail it a few times
4) training complete

[ViperTony]

Hard to get your wallet out when there is no word from Sean in this thread. 50 orders needed to get the $7,500 pricing? Yeah, that's not happening.

FWIW, discussion has been happening on the Roe Racing Facebook page. I have no idea why Sean isn't here posting the same but information is a available on FB and Sean has been responding. From Sean on FB:

"Interested in one of our 1992-2002 Viper or 2004-2006 Ram SRT-10 Supercharger kits?
Interest in the kits has been increasing and we’re considering making another production run of each.

As with most parts manufacturing, greater volume of a component yields a lower cost per part. We previously built the kits in production runs of up to 50 at a time. If we can justify making them in some volume like that again, it will allow everyone who wants one to get a system at the lowest ...possible price.

If you have interest, please email Sean@RoeRacing.com with your model information (Ram SRT-10 or Viper, including year and model on the Viper). We will make a list and then determine the cost associated with making a production run of that size. You will be contacted with more information accordingly (no spam)."

[dave6666]

You left out the part about where he said he was going to have to mortgage his house and sell his kids lol.

[drewsss]

1) get blower
2) go to large parking lot during off peak hours
3) nail it a few times
4) training complete

:t1236:

[PittsburghRT]

Dave... Start a thread on how to get a loan to buy a Roe Supercharger

[HKViper]

You left out the part about where he said he was going to have to mortgage his house and sell his kids lol.

Kids!? Woah, you wanna talk about a money pit! No wonder I have none!

[Vprbite]

You should finance a boat. Those babies pay for themselves in fun. Money pit? Not that I'm away aware of. I think they are pretty cheap really.

[HKViper]

You should finance a boat. Those babies pay for themselves in fun. Money pit? Not that I'm away aware of. I think they are pretty cheap really.

The two greatest days of boat ownership......

The day you buy....

and....

The day you sell....

[Anonymous]

I think they must really love each other.

[BlknBlu]

I wonder if Sean is interested in this feedback, again, stay on track folks. take it offline.

Bruce

[Viper Girl]

This is the second time Mods have had to clear up this thread... Final notice... stop the nonsense...

[Jeebs]

I would be all over this kit for $7500 BUT seeings how i live in Canada and the exchange rate is like 30% right now im going to have to pass. That's like 10k on my end. So I'll either wait till the $ gets better or look for a used one later.

[whitebluevipe]

any word yet?

[HKViper]

any word yet?

Go check out his facebook page. There is a thread there that he has going.

[PittsburghRT]

Go check out his facebook page. There is a thread there that he has going.

I haven't seen any updates, but as someone else stated checkout the Facebook page. I don't know why Sean isn't posting more on here too. I've said it before but i will be very suprised if the supetcharger goes into production again.

[dave6666]

Fresh eye candy for anyone still on the fence about giving Sean your deposit.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/dave6666waybad/Picture%20011_zpsioovjkrd.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/user/dave6666waybad/media/Picture%20011_zpsioovjkrd.jpg.html)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/dave6666waybad/Picture%20017_zpsog6edaoh.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/user/dave6666waybad/media/Picture%20017_zpsog6edaoh.jpg.html)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff224/dave6666waybad/Picture%20018_zps6ec3agih.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/user/dave6666waybad/media/Picture%20018_zps6ec3agih.jpg.html)

[ellowviper]

Your driver-side throttle body intake tube clamps are not perfectly aligned like the passenger side. Totally unacceptable in this day and age.

[BlackSnake99]

And your IAC hose is so pedestrian.....

[dave6666]

Your driver-side throttle body intake tube clamps are not perfectly aligned like the passenger side. Totally unacceptable in this day and age.

It will hit the throttle position sensor. Maybe I can see if the TPS is adjustable? No?


And your IAC hose is so pedestrian.....

Maybe I should list my chassis loops in my sig line to compensate :smilielol:

[Sybil TF]

It will hit the throttle position sensor. Maybe I can see if the TPS is adjustable? No?



Move the other clamp up or flip them...:)

[ellowviper]

Move the other clamp up or flip them...:)

BINGO....but I have to confess...that is some good ROE porn. I think it actually increases everyone's market value...

[Sybil TF]

BINGO....but I have to confess...that is some good ROE porn. I think it actually increases everyone's market value...Absolutely, I would love to have one!

[BlackSnake99]

Absolutely, I would love to have one!


One just popped up for sale on The Alley. Go for it.

[ICPREY]

That's a sweet looking ROE Dave...

[HKViper]

Just posted on the Roe Racing Facebook page....

Hi Everyone,
I have a big announcement to make on behalf of Roe Racing. We’ve made some positive changes toward growing the company and I’m pleased to announce that Roe Racing is now under the ownership and management of Scott Murray of Atlanta, GA. Scott’s a car guy like the rest of us and is keen to see us get back into Superchargers and more. With Scott running and managing the business on a daily basis, I’ll be in a better position to help with manufacturing of proprietary Roe Racing products.
As I turn the wheel over to Scott, I’d like to take a moment and say “THANK YOU” to all the customers and friends I’ve made over the last 26 years in the motorsports and Viper community. It’s been an honor and pleasure to have worked with so many fellow gear heads on fulfilling their desires for speed and performance.
Keep an eye out for what’s next!
Sean

[slovenom]

Wonder if that's a good or bad thing ^
I'm sure Dave already knew this

[plumcrazy]

im betting it aint gonna be good. people love sean roe and his excellent customer service. hard to do better than that. time will tell.

[Sybil TF]

im betting it aint gonna be good. people love sean roe and his excellent customer service. hard to do better than that. time will tell.People usually get out while the "gettin is good"

[BlackSnake99]

I'm glad I got mine back together before Sean sold the company. His customer service will be impossible to duplicate.


A great thing for Sean, but a sad thing for the Viper community. MHO.

[dave6666]

Absolutely, I would love to have one!

Aww. Too bad so sad fo u cuz I have two!

[dave6666]

im betting it aint gonna be good. people love sean roe and his excellent customer service. hard to do better than that. time will tell.

Kiss the re-release of the blower buh-bye.

[JonB ~ PartsRack]

Just posted on the Roe Racing Facebook page....

Hi Everyone,
I have a big announcement to make on behalf of Roe Racing. We’ve made some positive changes toward growing the company and I’m pleased to announce that Roe Racing is now under the ownership and management of Scott Murray of Atlanta, GA. Scott’s a car guy like the rest of us and is keen to see us get back into Superchargers and more. With Scott running and managing the business on a daily basis, I’ll be in a better position to help with manufacturing of proprietary Roe Racing products.
As I turn the wheel over to Scott, I’d like to take a moment and say “THANK YOU” to all the customers and friends I’ve made over the last 26 years in the motorsports and Viper community. It’s been an honor and pleasure to have worked with so many fellow gear heads on fulfilling their desires for speed and performance.
Keep an eye out for what’s next!
Sean

Sean, you can't fool me, I suspect you have been sprinkled with 'retirement dust' - - the same kind that made all my hair turn arctic white. Congrats on the move...and good luck, best wishes, and God-Speed

Jon

[slovenom]

Aww. Too bad so sad fo u cuz I have two!the price just went up!!
what would Plum sell them for? : )

[HKViper]

Why is everyone freaked out? Maybe I'm just overly optimistic? The company I work for just did this exact same thing and the owner made a statement almost identical to Seans. Not knowing sean or knowing how his business operates, sometimes people are not great business people but have great ideas and ways of dealing with customers. Perhaps Sean needed the capital and structure someone else can provide, while he can continue to be the idea man and customer oriented guy. I'm holding on to being optimistic, but that's the impression I gathered from his post earlier.

[ICPREY]

Kiss the re-release of the blower buh-bye.


Actually it sounds like from his FB posts he'll be able to focus more on his kits than before.

[dave6666]

Why is everyone freaked out?

No one at this keyboard is freaked out.


Actually it sounds like from his FB posts he'll be able to focus more on his kits than before.

Maybe. But I see no way he'll be able to re-release these kits with needed improvements and the same pricing from 10 years ago. Jack the price up too much and you're in to TT pricing. And then there's always the factor that used kits sell for $5K. Versus his proposed $7.5K.

I wish Sean the best if he continues to pursue this, but it doesn't seem like the revenue will support making a living.

[BlackSnake99]

And then there's always the factor that used kits sell for $5K. Versus his proposed $7.5K.


I wouldn't sell mine for that, and I happen to know for a fact that you wouldn't either.

[Sybil TF]

Aww. Too bad so sad fo u cuz I have two!
lol

[cfiiman]

It truly is a catch 22 scenario for the beloved old Viper. On one hand it is rare and only a handful of owners (comparatively speaking) have them, and only part of those owners will spend money modifying. This is partly what makes them so great, as opposed to a Vette (great car, owned several) that you see all the time on the road. At the same time it makes it difficult for any company to invest in developing things for them b/c it just doesn't make sense dollar and cents wise. I am extremely grateful to the vendors we do have that continues to produce amazing products (like my Autoform package) for the limited market, but certainly can't blame anyone for not wanting to put time and money into something that doesn't pay off. I just hope people continue to offer products in the future but I know it will probably get worse as time goes on unfortunately :(

[dave6666]

...I know it will probably get worse as time goes on unfortunately :(

Which is why I am collecting Gen 2 Viper parts at an alarming rate.

[ICPREY]

Maybe. But I see no way he'll be able to re-release these kits with needed improvements and the same pricing from 10 years ago. Jack the price up too much and you're in to TT pricing. And then there's always the factor that used kits sell for $5K. Versus his proposed $7.5K.


Even if the price jumps up to $9-10K you're still a good bit away from a quality TT kit. Not everyone wants the added headaches of a TT set up to include cutting the frame, relocating the hood release,blocking the radiator with an intercooler, and of course the long wait if you're having a shop install it. Some people are quite happy with just a 5psi pulley twinscrew setup they can install/get it running in a few days.

[dave6666]

I wouldn't sell mine for that, and I happen to know for a fact that you wouldn't either.

But if i did i wouldnt lose money.

Ok, well, maybe a little bit on the one i doubled the plenum volume on....

[Ricketts]

Any updates?

[dave6666]

Any updates?

Sean sold the business is what i heard.

[dave6666]

http://www.roeracing.com/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H&resultCnt=9&keyword=Roe+Racing+Gen+2+Viper+Supercharger+Comple te+Kit%2C+96%27-02%27

[stuntman]

..to a really nice guy named Scott. Last I heard Sean was still in distant involvement.

[dave6666]

It will be interesting to see, if this does actually go into production, what the performance of the 2.8 and whatever their redesigned intake brings. Current knowledge base shows that the 2.8 is not a big improvement on the old intake due to the limited plenum volume, lack of intercooler, etc. So they need to get some vid up of the new one on a dyno pretty soon :D

[DJ's viper]

Wow. what a thread. I learn a lot just reading this. Thanks. Like speed but my 93 kicks butt already. What I'm worried about is that I have lost control a couple of times going into 2nd gear. I have had two race car drivers at different tracks also lose control on second gear and I'm afraid with this much HP I wouldn't be able to handle it. Bought mine from a guys that wanted to get into making cars faster with these ad ons. Do you think they did something to the car or it s just well tuned. I know they put new head gaskets on. When I was up against cars that had 650HP they barely had enough to pass me on the straight away. Most of the time I just let them go out of courtesy. They would only be able to creep by me. 2nd gear is really dangerous in my car. I shift from first to 2nd at about 65 MPH just before the rev limiter kicks in. Has incredible tire spin from first to second. Before you can even thin the back end can kick out on you. The first time I lost it was at the drags, but I didn't realize they put the original tires on the car. The tires were over 15 years old. Hard rubber.

[plumcrazy]

ditch the tires immediately but you might have the special 2nd gear in yours

[dave6666]

So how many deposits down?

[ViperTony]

T Minus

[Atari_Prime]

Dave... Start a thread on how to get a loan to buy a Roe Supercharger

Hmm...Vipers aren't high end but they aren't low end either. Some parts are rare and some parts are crazy expensive. This isn't a car to have if you need to get a loan to buy things for it. It's not as bad as Ferrari belt service but it's an expensive car. There's a big difference between "can't afford" and "don't want to spend". If you can't afford a supercharger for a Viper, you probably can't afford the Viper either, at least as something more than a garage ornament. Not trying to be snippy, there are just so many people that buy cars that they can't really afford because it is their dream car and the worst mistake is to buy one of these and think you can get by with it as your only car.

[whitebluevipe]

Hmm...Vipers aren't high end but they aren't low end either. Some parts are rare and some parts are crazy expensive. This isn't a car to have if you need to get a loan to buy things for it. It's not as bad as Ferrari belt service but it's an expensive car. There's a big difference between "can't afford" and "don't want to spend". If you can't afford a supercharger for a Viper, you probably can't afford the Viper either, at least as something more than a garage ornament. Not trying to be snippy, there are just so many people that buy cars that they can't really afford because it is their dream car and the worst mistake is to buy one of these and think you can get by with it as your only car.

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

[ICPREY]

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

Dats funny right there...:smilielol:

[Vprbite]

There is also a big difference between "afford" and "buy." I bet there are plenty of people who could go buy a supercharger of they had to, like if it was the only way to save their children's lives or something. But they may think they can't afford it because they have that money earmarked for retirement, college funds, etc. They wouldn't starve if they had to spend the money, they just may not think its the smartest call right now. I get that.

I would agree, getting leveraged to the hilt with a viper as your only car is a bad idea. But I don't think that's what people are talking about here. 10 grand is a lot to spend to make your car a faster street toy. And a lot of people just don't want to pay that.

I also understand why it has to cost that much. That's just the economics of it.

[Vprbite]

Wow. what a thread. I learn a lot just reading this. Thanks. Like speed but my 93 kicks butt already. What I'm worried about is that I have lost control a couple of times going into 2nd gear. I have had two race car drivers at different tracks also lose control on second gear and I'm afraid with this much HP I wouldn't be able to handle it. Bought mine from a guys that wanted to get into making cars faster with these ad ons. Do you think they did something to the car or it s just well tuned. I know they put new head gaskets on. When I was up against cars that had 650HP they barely had enough to pass me on the straight away. Most of the time I just let them go out of courtesy. They would only be able to creep by me. 2nd gear is really dangerous in my car. I shift from first to 2nd at about 65 MPH just before the rev limiter kicks in. Has incredible tire spin from first to second. Before you can even thin the back end can kick out on you. The first time I lost it was at the drags, but I didn't realize they put the original tires on the car. The tires were over 15 years old. Hard rubber.

My first thought is that wih th tires that old, you could bust them loose in 4th. And you won't hear squeeling. They will spin like hard plastic on ice. I don't mean to be hurtful but driving on tires that old was stupid and dangerous. I'm sorry, it just was. Also, you may have 3.55 or 3.73s in there. Which would give you more oomph off the line. Not more power. Just dumps the power on you quicker but also takes some speed off the top end. It's a trade off. Third, in any Viper, don't "punch" the throttle in second. Squeeze it. Punching is almost guaranteed to break loose.

Good luck and drive safely.

[Atari_Prime]

Hmmm...can't afford a supercharger you can't afford this car? are you nuts? so you can't afford to spend an extra $10,000 you can't afford the car? we are not talking brakes or an oil change, yes 10,000. til you buy the supercharger, have it shipped, installed, tuned and any misc stuff you'll have 10g in it. the newest gen 2 is 14 years old. if you bought the car new (when you could afford it) many things may have changed in peoples lives. I bough a brand new Final Edition. since then I had 2 children built a brand new house ect. i don't know if you are arrogant, ignorant, or both. and p.s. i am planning on buying a Roe for my gen 1. I have 2 vipers, can you afford that?

I don't recall who said it exactly, but there is a reasonably famous quote that says if you don't make at least $1,000,000 a year, you can't afford a $100,000 car. I think its a true statement. Sure you can pay for it. Even a high school kid can pay for a lot of things but they can't afford for lack of a better word 'life'. A current new Viper is right at this threshold. I'm sure that many people on this forum make 10k per month or more, but that doesn't mean they can afford a 5k car payment. In the same sense, a Viper is a luxury item. It is a toy and was never meant to be a daily driver. And it's an expensive toy when you break it. The hood is 5k, the engine is 5k, the tires are 1.5k, etc. So yes, if you don't have 10k lying around to spend on a supercharger, you can't really afford a Viper. If you can't afford to take care of your toys without issue, then you can't afford the toy. We can all take out a loan buy most whatever we want, but if you have to take out a loan to buy something other than a car or a house, I think there's a good argument to be made that you can't afford whatever it is you are wanting to buy.

[Coloviper]

It's all a question of priorities. That $1M / $100k analogy is complete and utter BS.

Now if they would just produce the right kit. Really want a sledgehammer Stage III set up for my car. Someone developing it for the GEN V better we considering how it can also be retrofit to the earlier ones. Way more Early Vipers out there as well. Do it right and proper! Charge what you need to to make money off it but put it out.

Wasted so much time waiting for Roe Gen III blower when I had my coupe. Won't make that mistake again. Doubt anything is going happen with this like the umpteen million other times it comes up.

I like Sean but the situation is what it is.

[plumcrazy]

<<---- in the "you need to pay cash for toys" camp...

[Atari_Prime]

It's all a question of priorities. That $1M / $100k analogy is complete and utter BS.

Now if they would just produce the right kit. Really want a sledgehammer Stage III set up for my car. Someone developing it for the GEN V better we considering how it can also be retrofit to the earlier ones. Way more Early Vipers out there as well. Do it right and proper! Charge what you need to to make money off it but put it out.

Wasted so much time waiting for Roe Gen III blower when I had my coupe. Won't make that mistake again. Doubt anything is going happen with this like the umpteen million other times it comes up.

I like Sean but the situation is what it is.

So...are there any current Gen II superchargers on the market? I thought I had seen a lot of listings out there.

[Vprbite]

<<---- in the "you need to pay cash for toys" camp...

and you call yourself an American. Tsk tsk.

Buy now pay later! USA USA.

[dave6666]

Dats funny right there...:smilielol:

AP is getting owned in this thread.

[Coloviper]

So...are there any current Gen II superchargers on the market? I thought I had seen a lot of listings out there.

All that is out there are some new and used Paxton kits and some "used" Roe / Whipple kits. Nothing like where supercharging has gone.

[dave6666]

There's nothing to suggest the "new" Roe kits will outperform the "old" ones. Even with the 2.8 a very minimal gain is being reported.

[slitherv10]

Why go through all this trouble to worry about Sean making blower kits when you simply just buy one from Paxton. Are the Roes that much different then the Paxtons? Last I heard the only bg difference was that Roes had bottom end power and paxtons top end. Is this correct?

[dave6666]

Which is exactly why people want a Roe. Mr. elite.

[Geronimo]

Are the Roes that much different then the Paxtons?Roe looks a 1000 times better. Eye appeal is very important.

[plumcrazy]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailbox

[drewsss]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailbox

:t1236:
Especially the fugly red one. Looks like someone had a nosebleed on the engine.

[Atari_Prime]

Just looked at them both, I vote Paxton.

[plumcrazy]

and for that i vote atari_prime !

[drewsss]

Which is exactly why people want a Roe. Mr. elite.

Nah. Not this people.

[Fatboy 18]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailbox+ 1 for the Paxton :)

[dave6666]

:t1236:
Especially the fugly red one. Looks like someone had a nosebleed on the engine.

You ever get your car to start? Sorry I didn't reply to your PM sooner. Like you said, sounds like cheap parts were used on your build. Sorry bro. Let me know when you get it rebuilt.

[RT SERPENT]

+ 1 for Roe.... but since that's what I already have, I'm definitely biased.
Seriously, I've had mine for years and absolutely love it!
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[drewsss]

You ever get your car to start? Sorry I didn't reply to your PM sooner. Like you said, sounds like cheap parts were used on your build. Sorry bro. Let me know when you get it rebuilt.

Show us all that PM, you little hood-hoarder, you... :witless:

And gawd...don't be so sensitive about those smashed mailbox comments, jack. If it gives you that sweet sense of happiness, and speeds up your ride a notch, who cares if it happens to be butt fugly? :monkeyleft:

[slitherv10]

Which is exactly why people want a Roe. Mr. elite.

And....where are all these people that want one......oh ya....not here. Is this not the argument. I don't own either one so no biased opinion here as most that post are doing, but, I know the last time I checked, supply usually equals demand. I'm sure your Einstein mind can figure out where this is going.

[Vprbite]

Doesn't Vipair make a supercharger? If not, you can still probably pay them for one.

I know they made an air filter they claimed was good for 50hp or something crazy.

Anyway, please continue, this is fun to watch.

[99RT10]

And....where are all these people that want one......oh ya....not here. Is this not the argument. I don't own either one so no biased opinion here as most that post are doing, but, I know the last time I checked, supply usually equals demand. I'm sure your Einstein mind can figure out where this is going.

EEEEEEEEEEEE! Wrong answer. I have one and would love another. They are a great upgrade. Anybody who has driven one, gets it.

[Red Snake]

So much jealousy in this thread, lol.


http://driveviper.com/gallery/data/500/medium/image32.jpg

[Geronimo]

omg, geronimo, please stop smoking whatever you have in your pipe. paxton looks better than a smashed mailboxHair dryer or a smashed mailbox. Hmmm, where is my pipe:cool: TT's are probably best lol.

[dave6666]

Sooooooooooooooooooo, how goes the pre-paid deposit waiting list?

[plumcrazy]

the same way the roe sc has been in the works since 2003

[Geronimo]

So why do they tease us with this?

[dave6666]

They aren't teasing. They just don't have a customer base that is willing to put their money where it counts to match the business model for the product.

[plumcrazy]

why dont they put up the money instead of some kind of gofundme BS ?

[dave6666]

why dont they put up the money instead of some kind of gofundme BS ?

Iv'e been saying that all along. They want the customer to take the risk lol.

[ICPREY]

They are actually working on it, the manifold design is a lot different than the prior generation. It takes time and they did follow through with the Ram kits earlier this year.

[dave6666]

Are they planning on solving the issue of the intake plenum volume being enormously too small?

[ICPREY]

Not sure on the volume, but they have worked on the air distribution issues.

[Geronimo]

They are actually working on it, the manifold design is a lot different than the prior generation. It takes time and they did follow through with the Ram kits earlier this year.
At least that is some news.

[plumcrazy]

dont hold your breath

[dave6666]

dont hold your breath

If I sold the 2 that I have to the 2 guys that have deposits down, would that be mean?

[plumcrazy]

nope...smart. and dont get me started on what to sell a used roe for :)

[Geronimo]

If I sold the 2 that I have to the 2 guys that have deposits down, would that be mean?Only if the new and improved version was released the next day lol.

[GABOON]

Interesting Thread--- so I run a PROCHARGER F1R on my '99 GTS; works excellent although it whistles(like that!!) Performance is really great! You can buy complete set up for your viper from JMB PERFORMANCE. They are located in Hillsboro, MO. 63050. (314) 540-1541. cost is $7600- $8600. I also use a SNOW PERFORMANCE METH INJECTION system, I mix my own juice-- 50% methanol 55 and 50% -20* windshield washer fluid. Been running the set up for years, very happy with performance!!

[dave6666]

My volume modifed Roe intake has a nasty whistle. I love it.

[Geronimo]

Interesting Thread--- so I run a PROCHARGER F1R on my '99 GTS; works excellent although it whistles(like that!!) Performance is really great! You can buy complete set up for your viper from JMB PERFORMANCE. They are located in Hillsboro, MO. 63050. (314) 540-1541. cost is $7600- $8600. I also use a SNOW PERFORMANCE METH INJECTION system, I mix my own juice-- 50% methanol 55 and 50% -20* windshield washer fluid. Been running the set up for years, very happy with performance!!
How much power are you making?

[GABOON]

last dyno run was 743rwhp; have done a few mods since, got new pulley set up installing soon so boost will increase. Planning on larger fuel lines soon along with throttle bodies.