Who did this belong to?

[Boba Fett]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Other-2dr-Cpe-/111729261272?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a03953ad8&item=111729261272

[Ninjakris]

It was owned by Burnyzz speed shop in Ocala Florida. Owner bough car new, sent to RSI for TT kit then sold the car. From what I know, the bugs were worked out and it was a good car. He buys and sells cars for a living and had it up for sale almost immediately after getting it back from RSI. I don't know what he sold it for, but this appears to be a pretty good deal for someone wanting a TT gen V.

[Darius]

Only 700 miles? That's crazy.

[ViperSmith]

yeah wouldn't touch that with a 2000 foot pole

[darbgnik]

Somebody needs to adjust the front of that hood before listing it.

[johniew398]

Same here, wouldn't touch it if it was $20 - $30k cheaper.

[Boba Fett]

yeah wouldn't touch that with a 2000 foot pole


Same here, wouldn't touch it if it was $20 - $30k cheaper.

that bad ha???

[Boba Fett]

OK I found it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y-CWWRx2Vg

[FrgMstr]

Great looking car, saw it a few times over at RSI while they were building it. Some incredible work done to it.

[repiV]

So why the negative comments on it if all the bugs were worked out? Seems crazy someone would put that kind of money in it and it only has 700 miles on it. Crazy!! If I was in the GenV market right now it might be tempting.....

[Boba Fett]

So why the negative comments on it if all the bugs were worked out?.....

yea, please elaborate guys...

[Malu59RT]

Isn't this the second time Elite has had it for sale (making the next owner the 3rd owner)? The first time with 200 miles (looks like the photos are from the first time) as they state the mileage is now 700 miles.

[cayenne]

yea, please elaborate guys...

I would seriously doubt the bugs were worked out in only 700 miles. Just doesn't seem possible, especially with RSI's reputation.

Elite is a good dealer, but I doubt they know what they have on their hands.

[ViperSmith]

yea, please elaborate guys...

RSI has quite their own reputation.

I don't "buy" that someone bought a TA for $95k, dumped $50-100k or whatever into a TT, then sold it a few hundred miles later at an impressive loss. Fools and their money, but let's be honest.

Screams "run fast" on all accounts.

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Isn't this the second time Elite has had it for sale (making the next owner the 3rd owner)? The first time with 200 miles (looks like the photos are from the first time) as they state the mileage is now 700 miles.

The one that was recently for sale went to another shop building a TT setup.

[ironpeddler]

I would say this car has already had (2) owners....the pics of the Viper on Elites website show 200 or so miles on it and I think that was taken back when elite first got it in Feb. If you go to their facebook page, sometime in March he has a pic of (2) orange Vipers, twin turbo cars, being delivered, sold to two different people in the same town. One of those cars is the orange TT RSI viper. So that would be the second owner, now I am not sure if the second owner actually titled the car though, he might not have and just drove it around for 500 miles and then gave it back, in which case it still might show only "one" owner but I would bet my life it has been in a couple of different hands. But now it is back at elite though and he is selling it for a second time and it shows 700 miles.

[TooBlue]

RSI = Hennessy = XVipers.

FWIW... There's a lot of negative info on the alley regarding RSI. From what I have read I wouldn't let them work on my lawn mower.

[XSnake]

I wouldn't touch that car. Whoever buys that needs to plan on fixing all the shit that RSI undoubtedly fucked up.

[slovenom]

RSI ? No Thanks

[slovenom]

I wouldn't touch that car. Whoever buys that needs to plan on fixing all the shit that RSI undoubtedly fucked up.
But but it might take years to get get a car done but when they finally get a car done is some out of this world "quality " lol
Signed Rsi n#*swingers

[darbgnik]

Judging by the negative comments of the general public on here, I wouldn't give RSI or an RSI vehicle a try.

But playing devils advocate here, in the Lambo world, no matter which house did the turbos, Underground being the most popular for example, all the big turbo builds tend to get sold off almost immediately. Which is crazy after putting tens or even hundreds of thousands into a build, only to sell it for a loss, almost immediately.

Want a budget twin turbo Lambo? Wait a little bit, an owner with a freshly built one will unload it for a loss. I don't understand it, but happens perpetually.

[XSTAR]

Judging by the negative comments of the general public on here, I wouldn't give RSI or an RSI vehicle a try.

But playing devils advocate here, in the Lambo world, no matter which house did the turbos, Underground being the most popular for example, all the big turbo builds tend to get sold off almost immediately. Which is crazy after putting tens or even hundreds of thousands into a build, only to sell it for a loss, almost immediately.

Want a budget twin turbo Lambo? Wait a little bit, an owner with a freshly built one will unload it for a loss. I don't understand it, but happens perpetually.

I always scratch my head on this exact point with many of the TTG builds.

[Simms]

My guess is some of these owners get the hell scared out of them after they actually drive a 1000+rwhp car.

[KB Viper]

is anyone close enough to Elite to go check it out in person and take a test drive in it. I've read a ton of negative stuff about RSI but I would like to hear from a member if the car actually runs good or bad.

[Boba Fett]

I would seriously doubt the bugs were worked out in only 700 miles. Just doesn't seem possible, especially with RSI's reputation.

Elite is a good dealer, but I doubt they know what they have on their hands.


RSI has quite their own reputation.

I don't "buy" that someone bought a TA for $95k, dumped $50-100k or whatever into a TT, then sold it a few hundred miles later at an impressive loss. Fools and their money, but let's be honest.

Screams "run fast" on all accounts.

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The one that was recently for sale went to another shop building a TT setup.


RSI = Hennessey = Vipair = XVipers.

FWIW... There's a lot of negative info on the alley regarding RSI. From what I have read I wouldn't let them work on my lawn mower.


I wouldn't touch that car. Whoever buys that needs to plan on fixing all the shit that RSI undoubtedly fucked up.


RSI ? No Thanks


But but it might take years to get get a car done but when they finally get a car done is some out of this world "quality " lol
Signed Rsi n#*swingers


I don't envy the next owner of that car! LOL... If only they knew to use the interwebz to answer their own questions...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS1okqbnePQ

[Will at RSI]

I am always amazed at some of the comments that are made by people online. This car that is for sale is a solid car that runs well, and puts down over 1000RWHP on E85. The owner that built it decided to go bigger and rather than upgrade this one, wanted to order a 1 of 1 car. My understanding is that the car has been with a "Friend" of Elite's for a few months and now the car is for sale at a great price.

As for the comments about our reputation, and what people read online about RSI. We haven't tried to hide that we had problems with our company and have had been going through a very public turn around. I constantly see negative comments about RSI from people that don't know anything about our company and have never had any sort of personal experience with us. The actual clients that do business with us are labelled as Nutswingers and attacked, or if someone posts a positive comment or review many times those comments are deleted. We have been made out to be the "Bad Guys" when we really were just the guys dealing with some issues. We have never run from a problem or tried to hide, we have always tried to find the amicable resolutions to take care of all the issues and only bring a fight to a problem when the fight is first brought to us. We had a significant back log that has been mostly cleared and over the past year have been on track with timeframes and builds. The quality of our finished work has always been of the highest caliber and it wasn't until recently that anyone even attempted to attack us on this. Many of these supposed quality issues are coming out of shops or friends of shops that are trying to get into the Viper market. Even with all the reputation BS that everyone wants to talk, we finish more Vipers a month than some of these shops have ever touched.

We finished the first Gen 5 turbo car in summer of 2013. Had a built engine car completed for SEMA 2013 and that car has been the highest HP Gen 5 on the road since then. It made 1100RWHP in 2013 and was converted to an Air to Water system earlier this year and retuned to 1300RWHP. It raced the Silver State Classic Challenge completing the 90 mile run within 1mph of its target speed and also winning the Mile event there.

The bottom line is that we have been on a solid path to turning everything around for the past year. It will still take time to clean up issues, but we will clean up every issue that we have caused. As for the new projects, we have been completing them on time and as expected with most turbo builds taking between 4-6 weeks. We won't be able to keep people from talking negatively about our company because we honestly created a big mess. We only ask that we are judged by how we have dealt and are dealing with those problems.

[Darius]

I am always amazed at some of the comments that are made by people online. This car that is for sale is a solid car that runs well, and puts down over 1000RWHP on E85. The owner that built it decided to go bigger and rather than upgrade this one, wanted to order a 1 of 1 car. My understanding is that the car has been with a "Friend" of Elite's for a few months and now the car is for sale at a great price.

As for the comments about our reputation, and what people read online about RSI. We haven't tried to hide that we had problems with our company and have had been going through a very public turn around. I constantly see negative comments about RSI from people that don't know anything about our company and have never had any sort of personal experience with us. The actual clients that do business with us are labelled as Nutswingers and attacked, or if someone posts a positive comment or review many times those comments are deleted. We have been made out to be the "Bad Guys" when we really were just the guys dealing with some issues. We have never run from a problem or tried to hide, we have always tried to find the amicable resolutions to take care of all the issues and only bring a fight to a problem when the fight is first brought to us. We had a significant back log that has been mostly cleared and over the past year have been on track with timeframes and builds. The quality of our finished work has always been of the highest caliber and it wasn't until recently that anyone even attempted to attack us on this. Many of these supposed quality issues are coming out of shops or friends of shops that are trying to get into the Viper market. Even with all the reputation BS that everyone wants to talk, we finish more Vipers a month than some of these shops have ever touched.

We finished the first Gen 5 turbo car in summer of 2013. Had a built engine car completed for SEMA 2013 and that car has been the highest HP Gen 5 on the road since then. It made 1100RWHP in 2013 and was converted to an Air to Water system earlier this year and retuned to 1300RWHP. It raced the Silver State Classic Challenge completing the 90 mile run within 1mph of its target speed and also winning the Mile event there.

The bottom line is that we have been on a solid path to turning everything around for the past year. It will still take time to clean up issues, but we will clean up every issue that we have caused. As for the new projects, we have been completing them on time and as expected with most turbo builds taking between 4-6 weeks. We won't be able to keep people from talking negatively about our company because we honestly created a big mess. We only ask that we are judged by how we have dealt and are dealing with those problems.

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[Rizzo]

Sorry. Wouldn't go near it with a 100 ft pole. Not for 50G less. I have never heard of one happy RSI customer. Until a BUNCH of customers come on here and tell everybody how great things are at RSI and their cars have a ton of proven miles on them then I would change my opinion but so far I haven't read any positive reviews. Not to say there aren't any but if there are so many happy RSI customers why aren't they on here bragging up their cars???? Too many bridges have been burnt.

[slovenom]

12184ditto!!!


He's been sending 100$ here and there to ppl he screwed over years ago lol
Yeah great way to pay back what you took!!

[ViperPete]

I saw that car in person.

It is a beautiful piece of engineering. I looked under the hood and was amazed by the build quality and attention to detail.

Turn key 1kwhp brand newish TA? Aweosme..

[TooBlue]

I saw that car in person.

It is a beautiful piece of engineering. I looked under the hood and was amazed by the build quality and attention to detail.

Turn key 1kwhp brand newish TA? Aweosme..

I'm sure it looks great but did you ride in it? For any period of time? In traffic? Have you ever been in a 1000 whp? Did you see it on a dyno to confirm 1000 whp?

LOOKS can be deceiving... Anybody on this forum can "SAY" they have 1000 hp. Actually making hp with a comma in the number and being able to drive it on the streets are two different things too.

(I am talking from personal experience and nothing directed at you personally VIPERPETE)

[Will at RSI]

I'm sure it looks great but did you ride in it? For any period of time? In traffic? Have you ever been in a 1000 whp? Did you see it on a dyno to confirm 1000 whp?

LOOKS can be deceiving... Anybody on this forum can "SAY" they have 1000 hp. Actually making hp with a comma in the number and being able to drive it on the streets are two different things too.

(I am talking from personal experience and nothing directed at you personally VIPERPETE)

John tunes your car right? Give him a call and see what he has to say.

[TooBlue]

John tunes your car right? Give him a call and see what he has to say.

Yes he does. There's nobody better IMO. This is the first I have heard that John Reed tuned the car. That means that the car is using a Motec ECU, correct?

JR being involved speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned. I would think the car is legit knowing he tuned it. He does not and will not mess with half ass'd builds.

[shelbyelite]

Hello,
My name is SHELBY SMITH, owner of Elite Autos LLC. I see that several people have their internet Detective licenses here. Congrats to you all :)
Anyway, to address some questions and concerns about this car, I purchased it direct from the original owner. He did not sell the car because of any "issues" with the car. He simply had his sights set on another project and wanted to free up some money. Now, I can not comment on RSI's past or any other car they may have built, but I can tell you that this car is VERY impressive and has gone over 500 miles, since we obtained it, issue free. I personally have owned numerous 1000hp TT cars. Vipers, Gallardos, Vettes, etc and I must say this is one of the smoothest TT cars I have driven. The power comes in very early (little to no turbo lag) and is very linear all the way to redline. No weird tuning issues, doesn't run hot, etc, and the build is extremely OEM looking and very good quality.
To address the question of how many owners has the car had...., well, TITLE wise, the car has had NO owners. It was on MSO when we obtained it. We had it titled in our dealerships name, but a dealer does not count as a registered owner. We did deliver it to one of our very best clients, about 2 hours Southwest of our store, for about 3 months, but it was merely on loan to hold him over till we finished his TT Ford GT that we just delivered to him. He is a big collector with numerous cars and is very very particular about all his cars. This car is not hurt at all. It has clear bra, which we installed on it when the car had 150 miles on it. No rock chips, no road rash, no nothing. I welcome anyone to come inspect it and I will gladly take you for a ride in it to show you. We have absolutely ZERO to hide.
So please guys, I ask that if you have a beef with RSI, please take it up with them directly and do not Internet bash a car that you have absolutely zero first had experience with. Anyone that knows me personally or has purchased a car from me, knows that I am as straight up as they come and I tell it like it is. Anyone actually interested in the viper, I invite you to come see it. If its not exactly what I say it is, I will pay whatever travel expenses you paid to come see it. Not sure how to be more upfront than that.

Thank you,

Shelby Smith

[TooBlue]

Hello,
My name is SHELBY SMITH, owner of Elite Autos LLC. I see that several people have their internet Detective licenses here. Congrats to you all :)
Anyway, to address some questions and concerns about this car, I purchased it direct from the original owner. He did not sell the car because of any "issues" with the car. He simply had his sights set on another project and wanted to free up some money. Now, I can not comment on RSI's past or any other car they may have built, but I can tell you that this car is VERY impressive and has gone over 500 miles, since we obtained it, issue free. I personally have owned numerous 1000hp TT cars. Vipers, Gallardos, Vettes, etc and I must say this is one of the smoothest TT cars I have driven. The power comes in very early (little to no turbo lag) and is very linear all the way to redline. No weird tuning issues, doesn't run hot, etc, and the build is extremely OEM looking and very good quality.
To address the question of how many owners has the car had...., well, TITLE wise, the car has had NO owners. It was on MSO when we obtained it. We had it titled in our dealerships name, but a dealer does not count as a registered owner. We did deliver it to one of our very best clients, about 2 hours Southwest of our store, for about 3 months, but it was merely on loan to hold him over till we finished his TT Ford GT that we just delivered to him. He is a big collector with numerous cars and is very very particular about all his cars. This car is not hurt at all. It has clear bra, which we installed on it when the car had 150 miles on it. No rock chips, no road rash, no nothing. I welcome anyone to come inspect it and I will gladly take you for a ride in it to show you. We have absolutely ZERO to hide.
So please guys, I ask that if you have a beef with RSI, please take it up with them directly and do not Internet bash a car that you have absolutely zero first had experience with. Anyone that knows me personally or has purchased a car from me, knows that I am as straight up as they come and I tell it like it is. Anyone actually interested in the viper, I invite you to come see it. If its not exactly what I say it is, I will pay whatever travel expenses you paid to come see it. Not sure how to be more upfront than that.

Thank you,

Shelby Smith



Bingo...

Time will tell if things are turned around.
I hope RSI is on the rebound. We can always use a good Viper vendor

[AZTVR]

Shelby Smith

Excellent post. While I don't have personal knowledge of this dealer, I am very aware that he is held in high regard on the Ford GT forum where you have a lot of discerning buyers and he has lots of happy customers.

[TooBlue]

I don't think any one was questioning ELITE or their reputation...? It was the car itself in question.


Maybe things are turned around. Good luck with the sale Shelby....

[shelbyelite]

TooBlue, it seems you have a bone to pick with RSI. I am not here to get in the middle of that and am by no means trying to change your's or anyone else's opinion on RSI as a company. I would however appreciate it if you would take it up with them or with a thread that is asking about them as a company. This thread is asking about my particular car in question. I honestly don't know anything about RSI's history as I have had no previous experience with them, but I do know my car and I do know its a top notch car. I will say that Will at RSI reached out to me when he found out that I purchased the car and told me if I had any questions or concerns, that he would be happy to help me in any way that he could. I have not had any other tuners of cars we have acquired throughout the years, do that, so that was nice, but that is about the extent of interaction I have had with them.

P.S. I just noticed your most recent reply TOOBLUE. Thank you. We have nothing to hide and our doors are open to anyone interested in the car and we also welcome any inspections.

[Sybil TF]

ditto!!!


He's been sending 100$ here and there to ppl he screwed over years ago lol
Yeah great way to pay back what you took!!

Tell Blacksnake99 Jackie-poo to put his money where his mouth is and buy this car:smilielol:

[XSnake]

TooBlue, it seems you have a bone to pick with RSI. I am not here to get in the middle of that and am by no means trying to change your's or anyone else's opinion on RSI as a company. I would however appreciate it if you would take it up with them or with a thread that is asking about them as a company. This thread is asking about my particular car in question. I honestly don't know anything about RSI's history as I have had no previous experience with them, but I do know my car and I do know its a top notch car. I will say that Will at RSI reached out to me when he found out that I purchased the car and told me if I had any questions or concerns, that he would be happy to help me in any way that he could. I have not had any other tuners of cars we have acquired throughout the years, do that, so that was nice, but that is about the extent of interaction I have had with them.

P.S. I just noticed your most recent reply TOOBLUE. Thank you. We have nothing to hide and our doors are open to anyone interested in the car and we also welcome any inspections.

Bottom line is you guys should have done some research before investing that much in a car. If you would have done ANY research you would have seen the many issues with the shop that built the car and probably would have passed on the car altogether. You would have seen how many engine they were going through and how many customer cars they couldn't finish cause they just kept fucking everything up. You would have found www.rsifraud.com and the many nightmare threads on other forums started by customers. Now you are stuck with the car having to defend it and the shop that built it. You are in a no win situation because you are now stuck with a car you overvalued that nobody actually wants. This is going to be an expensive lesson for you guys.

[Will at RSI]

Yes he does. There's nobody better IMO. This is the first I have heard that John Reed tuned the car. That means that the car is using a Motec ECU, correct?

JR being involved speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned. I would think the car is legit knowing he tuned it. He does not and will not mess with half ass'd builds.

JR did not do the actual tuning as we have a great tuner in house, but co-developed the fully integrated standalone system with him. The cars run Motec M1 in a full standalone with the factory ECU in the car. The dash functions work flawlessly like you would expect with Motec products. The cruise control works and the launch control buttons and ESC buttons on the steering wheel control the Motec Launch and traction control. They are even integrated to utilize the OEM Display info to tell you what is going on. The check engine light doesn't come on because the other 14 modules in the car outside of the ECU are happy thinking the Motec is the factory PCM.

JR has been a part of our development of the Gen 5 platform since day 1. We also know more about forced induction on the Gen 4/5 engine platform and capabilities of this engine that any other shop. It's easy to see when our cars like this TA are making over 1000RWHP on 9.5 PSI. Some of the other running cars out in the market from other shops are running 13+ to make the same numbers. The red Gen 5 that makes 1300+RWHP at 15 PSI and both cars are running Precision 67s.

[shelbyelite]

Bottom line is you guys should have done some research before investing that much in a car. If you would have done ANY research you would have seen the many issues with the shop that built the car and probably would have passed on the car altogether. You would have seen how many engine they were going through and how many customer cars they couldn't finish cause they just kept fucking everything up. You would have found www.rsifraud.com and the many nightmare threads on other forums started by customers. Now you are stuck with the car having to defend it and the shop that built it. You are in a no win situation because you are now stuck with a car you overvalued that nobody actually wants. This is going to be an expensive lesson for you guys.

We will have no issues selling the car. Its only been advertised less than a week and we have had multiple interested parties. As for researching the tuner, I can come up with plenty of negatives and unhappy people with just about every tuner out there today. Obviously some are worse than others...., However, I am more interested in the car at hand than the tuner that built it's past negative experiences on other cars. I am by no means defending RSI, but I am defending my car and what it is. Like I said, there are better places to have a grudge fest against RSI then on a thread asking "WHOS CAR THIS WAS". No where on the OP post did they ask about a background history about RSI which this has obviously turned into here.

Also, this "rsifraud.com" website you referred me to does not exist. I tried to pull it up. No such website....

[XSnake]

Also, this "rsifraud.com" website you referred me to does not exist. I tried to pull it up. No such website....

Interesting, it was working 5 min ago.

http://rsifraud.com/

[Darth Menace]

I am always amazed at some of the comments that are made by people online. This car that is for sale is a solid car that runs well, and puts down over 1000RWHP on E85. The owner that built it decided to go bigger and rather than upgrade this one, wanted to order a 1 of 1 car. My understanding is that the car has been with a "Friend" of Elite's for a few months and now the car is for sale at a great price.

As for the comments about our reputation, and what people read online about RSI. We haven't tried to hide that we had problems with our company and have had been going through a very public turn around. I constantly see negative comments about RSI from people that don't know anything about our company and have never had any sort of personal experience with us. The actual clients that do business with us are labelled as Nutswingers and attacked, or if someone posts a positive comment or review many times those comments are deleted. We have been made out to be the "Bad Guys" when we really were just the guys dealing with some issues. We have never run from a problem or tried to hide, we have always tried to find the amicable resolutions to take care of all the issues and only bring a fight to a problem when the fight is first brought to us. We had a significant back log that has been mostly cleared and over the past year have been on track with timeframes and builds. The quality of our finished work has always been of the highest caliber and it wasn't until recently that anyone even attempted to attack us on this. Many of these supposed quality issues are coming out of shops or friends of shops that are trying to get into the Viper market. Even with all the reputation BS that everyone wants to talk, we finish more Vipers a month than some of these shops have ever touched.

We finished the first Gen 5 turbo car in summer of 2013. Had a built engine car completed for SEMA 2013 and that car has been the highest HP Gen 5 on the road since then. It made 1100RWHP in 2013 and was converted to an Air to Water system earlier this year and retuned to 1300RWHP. It raced the Silver State Classic Challenge completing the 90 mile run within 1mph of its target speed and also winning the Mile event there.

The bottom line is that we have been on a solid path to turning everything around for the past year. It will still take time to clean up issues, but we will clean up every issue that we have caused. As for the new projects, we have been completing them on time and as expected with most turbo builds taking between 4-6 weeks. We won't be able to keep people from talking negatively about our company because we honestly created a big mess. We only ask that we are judged by how we have dealt and are dealing with those problems.

Please don't go sounding self-righteous and do no wrong. If you have nothing to hide, why didn't you speak up on your Facebook page when I replied to your orange TT video? I posted the video of the customer taking his car away from you in shambles....instead all you do is block me. If there is nothing to hide then surely you could reply with a logical explanation without this BS you spout. I am hoping that people see your reviews, and don't give you a cent. It is called Viper owners looking out for each other.

[Darth Menace]

Interesting, it was working 5 min ago.

http://rsifraud.com/

Works for me. I guess we are just pretending the issues and now website don't exist.

[ViperTony]

At first, this thread made me....

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But now after reading 2 pages of skid marks I feel....

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[plumcrazy]

guys please keep this civil or we have to close it. just sayin before it goes wonky

[Viper Girl]

yeah, guys its probably a bad time to make Plum work... its his Friday...


http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/12/07/72/2653830/6/920x920.jpg

[ironpeddler]

lucky plum :)

[AZTVR]

Works for me. I guess we are just pretending the issues and now website don't exist.

I think you are being a typical forum poster, now. Not the pleasant kind. As I posted, this is a respected dealer, on the same order as Woodhouse or Tomball. If he couldn't call up the site, that is a COMPUTER or Smartphone problem or a mistake. Don't assume a good guy is "pretending".

[shelbyelite]

Interesting, it was working 5 min ago.

http://rsifraud.com/


The site does work now, but it honestly didn't earlier. I tried it several times.

And guys, I have no desire to get into a debate about RSI. Simply stating our car runs perfectly and is a very impressive build.

[Will at RSI]

Please don't go sounding self-righteous and do no wrong. If you have nothing to hide, why didn't you speak up on your Facebook page when I replied to your orange TT video? I posted the video of the customer taking his car away from you in shambles....instead all you do is block me. If there is nothing to hide then surely you could reply with a logical explanation without this BS you spout. I am hoping that people see your reviews, and don't give you a cent. It is called Viper owners looking out for each other.

Since you don't feel that you deserve to be ignored, I will respond to this one post by you. I'm not pretending to be self-righteous. I have on many occasions and on many forums readily admitted that we made some mistakes and were dealing with some issues. I even did so in the post that you quoted. Since you do not and have never had any actual involvement in any of our business transactions and over the past couple of years have made it clear that you simply want to ridicule and gossip, I have made a choice to ignore the comments that you have and continue to make. Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked. I don't have anything to hide, but I also don't owe you an explanation for anything. If a client of ours makes a choice to post something negative in regard to a transaction with us, that is their decision. If we choose to respond, then we will. If we don't address the issue, it could be that we simply don't want to do so, or it could be that we intend to take some form of legal action, or for a million other reasons that don't involve you.

You can believe what you want to believe, it is of zero significance to me. We have been fixing the problems that we created and have done everything that we could each day to make it right with every client involved. I don't jump online telling everyone each time we complete one of these projects, because the only opinion I really care about is the client that we work for.

[commandomatt]

The site does work now, but it honestly didn't earlier. I tried it several times.

And guys, I have no desire to get into a debate about RSI. Simply stating our car runs perfectly and is a very impressive build.

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?

[slovenom]

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?
Good point :)
Dealer dude hope you sell the car quick and make a sweet profit. You sound legit!!

[slovenom]

Please don't go sounding self-righteous and do no wrong. I posted the video of the customer taking his car away from you in SHAMBLES ... It is called Viper owners looking out for each other.I'm sure the owner of said car will speak out eventually! !

[Darth Menace]

Since you don't feel that you deserve to be ignored, I will respond to this one post by you. I'm not pretending to be self-righteous. I have on many occasions and on many forums readily admitted that we made some mistakes and were dealing with some issues. I even did so in the post that you quoted. Since you do not and have never had any actual involvement in any of our business transactions and over the past couple of years have made it clear that you simply want to ridicule and gossip, I have made a choice to ignore the comments that you have and continue to make. Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked. I don't have anything to hide, but I also don't owe you an explanation for anything. If a client of ours makes a choice to post something negative in regard to a transaction with us, that is their decision. If we choose to respond, then we will. If we don't address the issue, it could be that we simply don't want to do so, or it could be that we intend to take some form of legal action, or for a million other reasons that don't involve you.

You can believe what you want to believe, it is of zero significance to me. We have been fixing the problems that we created and have done everything that we could each day to make it right with every client involved. I don't jump online telling everyone each time we complete one of these projects, because the only opinion I really care about is the client that we work for.


Long winded way of saying and answering nothing. Typical reply....did your lawyer write this for you?

How do you care about the clients (and possible future clients on here), if you can't answer questions about your past and how you have treated those "clients" you oh so care about?

[Darth Menace]

Your choice to make posts on our Facebook page had nothing to do with the content that was published and everything to do with your intent to disparage us since our successful project was getting more attention that you liked.



Okay, so if I go on your Facebook group again, and post that same video in a brand new discussion concerning the video of you leaving the owner's car in shambles...I take it you will reply. Considering it will be it's own topic and not threatening your Gen2 TT video.

PS-that video had 2 replies when I posted the other video. That is far from your successful project getting more attention then I liked.

[shelbyelite]

Shelby,

If someone was to purchase this Viper from you and would end up having issues with it (TT related), is that something that you would then stand behind or would you forward them to RSI that built the TT ?

We do guarantee the cars we sell. Any vehicles, even modified, are guaranteed to be in perfect, trouble free working order upon delivery to the new owner. On heavily modified cars, we typically offer a 30 day warranty on the modified aspects of the car. Because we are not the builders / tuners of vipers, we do not currently offer a warranty longer than 30 days unless their is a warranty offered from the builder. 9.9 out of 10 modified cars, sold by any dealer, are typically sold "as-is" as I am sure you are aware. Are you interested, or simply trying to find a reason to place me in the same light as you are RSI? If one of your forum members on here, whom ownes an RSI modified viper, was trying to sell their car, would you give them the same hard time you are giving me? Somehow I think not...

Not looking to butt heads with any member on here. I respect forum members looking out for their fellow man. I just don't think your beef with RSI should be directed at me or my car unless you or someone else has some first hand knowledge of any issues with my car, which there are none.

[Darth Menace]

We do guarantee the cars we sell. Any vehicles, even modified, are guaranteed to be in perfect, trouble free working order upon delivery to the new owner. On heavily modified cars, we typically offer a 30 day warranty on the modified aspects of the car. Because we are not the builders / tuners of vipers, we do not currently offer a warranty longer than 30 days unless their is a warranty offered from the builder. 9.9 out of 10 modified cars, sold by any dealer, are typically sold "as-is" as I am sure you are aware. Are you interested, or simply trying to find a reason to place me in the same light as you are RSI? If one of your forum members on here, whom ownes an RSI modified viper, was trying to sell their car, would you give them the same hard time you are giving me? Somehow I think not...

Not looking to butt heads with any member on here. I respect forum members looking out for their fellow man. I just don't think your beef with RSI should be directed at me or my car unless you or someone else has some first hand knowledge of any issues with my car, which there are none.

You seem like a good guy, and I don't think anybody here is trying to cast you in the same light as RSI. I don't think he would be asking the same question to a fellow member if he were selling his RSI car, mainly because an individual does not typically warranty their cars, but many car dealerships do. Of course everyone will/should be cautious when looking at an RSI car, and I don't think anyone is making any jabs at you.

[AZTVR]

I don't think anyone is making any jabs at you.

Bullshit. Both you and slow venom have made jabs. Have you not read what you guys typed here?

[Darth Menace]

Bullshit. Both you and slow venom have made jabs. Have you not read what you guys typed here?

This was in response to Shelbyelite's comment. I haven't made any jabs at him at all. Now RSI, he doesn't need anyone's help to get jabs at him. There is a difference between the two you know.

Good try though

[Darius]

I bet the car runs great, and could be flawless. I believe the major concern would be if something does go wrong with it the new owner might have to deal with RSI. That has proven to be less than satisfactory.

[Rizzo]

Hey guys. As much as I wouldnt go near this car I can tell you that I have NEVER heard anything but amazing things about Shelby Elite. He is as highly regarded in the F GT world as they come. I have even had personal conversations with him about a GT that I was going to buy up here and sell to him. It could not have been easier to do the deal had it transpired and he is simply a straight shooter. If he says the car is running good its running good. Unfortunately just like anything with Hennessy on it I wouldnt purchase an RSI car personally until a bunch of happy owners started chiming in and telling us how great their cars are running and how great their service is. If RSI is pumping out so many cars where are all the owners? Younwould think a few of them at least would be on here praising their cars? Just my 2 cents.

[Aspirations57]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it:( Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

[shelbyelite]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it:( Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

Wow, what a wonderful attitude to have, especially towards someone you know nothing about.

[TooBlue]

Lets hope some poor slob doesnt just come by and buy this nightmare,lol....Lets all feel sorry for the poor dealer,NOT, couldnt wish it on a better group of rip-off artists in general(used car dealers)..Karma at its best...I would like to see it rot on their lot but you know some idiot with more money than brains will buy it:( Bet they paid no more than 90K for it,lol

Guys, in my opinion we shouldn't be directing our negative opinion of RSI on to Shelby and Elite motors.
Take a look at Elite's website. http://eliteautosllc.com/ You don't build a building and shop like he has with unhappy customers. He has a very impressive inventory too. His eBay auction rating is 100% satisfied out of almost 500 transactions. Like Shelby said in an earlier post, he doesn't know anything about RSI's past.

He is selling a beautiful looking car that makes 1000 rwhp and runs good now and that's all he knows.
Only people like us that know RSI's history know that the good running condition of the car now could change later... Maybe not. Time will tell.

Are there any satisfied customers of RSI out there that could give any positive comments regarding RSI and any recent builds/cars? This might help give this Gen 5 TT some credibility and help Shelby sell what "appears" to be a nice car.

[ViperSmith]

There is no reason to slander Elite.

[Coloviper]

Well this is going nowhere. I think the answer to the thread question was answered so no point in keeping it open. Just stones thrown now.

I have had zero dealings with either RSI or Elite, but I have been burnt by used car dealers and by Tuners so my personal opinions with a new/used Tuner car ithese days are jaded.

People who do these mega builds have a lot of money and common sense to the layman does not compute. Anyone that puts $200k into upgrades on top of a $100k car to then drive it 200 miles and lose 50% its value of money invested is a special kind of person.

Will is correct, you can not comment on the myriad of circumstances with some of these situations and clients so not fair to get drug into a he said, she said, Paul pulled Sally's pigtails in the school yard gossip. Having said that, there is too much smoke to know there is definitely fire to these issues. It is simple, these are issues between RSI and their clients, that is their issue so internet cowboys need not apply. Having said that, Will has admitted to past mistakes but not sure how sincere which is what most are playing on here. It is hard as most have never run a business before and there is a lot more to these things. Some clients are completely unreasonable.

If anyone does not do their homework with a tuner, then they have more money than brains. It takes time to earn trust and a few posts in a forum do not cover it. Time will tell. It is up to Will and RSI to live it everyday. We will see! I am not interested in these tuner cars from non factory affiliated shops but that is me.

On to Elite, I have looked at buying a car from them but never reached out to them to do so. Shelby seems like an honest person by the sincerity of the outreach and response but I can only base that on the forum here. In the end, the car is what it is and I am sure looks great. Life is buyer beware. I don't think any used car dealer or tuner really knows their cars as only the original owner of a factory car knows what they truly have. Everything else beyond that is just an opinion. Hey, I hear thethe car to the best of their ability explanation and it makes sense why they have it but a rationale person would say why sell so soon after all this money invest, must be something wrong. Despite anything Shelby says, most out there do not understand how a previous owner can do that but those original owners are not layman people thinking like a layman. The argument and discussion is pointless. I think it is a little off for a dealer to be so so adamant that they know their car so well not being the original owner of the car and then saying well it has a 30 day warranty but be thankful as used is an as-is world which we all know about. I would have just said they did their due diligence on the car, run it hard and it appears to be the real deal with no issues. Being so strong that car is so perfect for a used car just seems strange. It might be a great car and have no issues but nobody really knows a used car to the degree expressed.

In the end, take it for what it is all worth:

Will needs to earn it over time as welcome has been revoked
Shelby should focus on the other offers as it is hostile territory here and buyer is not here
New buyer is buyer beware
Internet Cowboys need to get on their horse and ride elsewhere.

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

[Boba Fett]

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

Really? This is my thread and I'd like it to stay open. You said your piece and if you want nothing more to do with it, simply don't click.

[ironpeddler]

How much whp does it make on its 93 tune??

[HANKFAN]

I purchased my Viper from Shelby at Elite Auto sight unseen. The car arrived exactly in the condition Shelby had told me it was in. Shelby is a stand up guy and in all honesty I would be interested in this TT car myself if any other builder had built it. I just can't overlook all the customers that have posted the negative experiences they have had over the last few years with RSI. That many complaints isn't just an accident. However, I would not hesitate buying another car from Elite Auto.

[Malu59RT]

Guys, in my opinion we shouldn't be directing our negative opinion of RSI on to Shelby and Elite motors.
Take a look at Elite's website. http://eliteautosllc.com/ You don't build a building and shop like he has with unhappy customers. He has a very impressive inventory too. His eBay auction rating is 100% satisfied out of almost 500 transactions. Like Shelby said in an earlier post, he doesn't know anything about RSI's past.

He is selling a beautiful looking car that makes 1000 rwhp and runs good now and that's all he knows.
Only people like us that know RSI's history know that the good running condition of the car now could change later... Maybe not. Time will tell.

Are there any satisfied customers of RSI out there that could give any positive comments regarding RSI and any recent builds/cars? This might help give this Gen 5 TT some credibility and help Shelby sell what "appears" to be a nice car.

This blog was created by what I assume was at least their 3rd Gen V TT build. So is it safe to assume the first red car and the SEMA car also had these issues?

http://genvttbuildbyrsi.blogspot.com/

[dethred]

As a new owner, I have done my homework, and RSI seems to be about as shady as Hennessey. Name me one customer of a well-respected and trusted tuner that can post a detailed blog like the one above? No one goes out of their way to slander a tuner and provide this much evidence, there's just no motive and it's too thorough. An informed individual has no rational reason for thinking RSI is a legitimate business.

Will, whatever your defense is, it just takes one look at the viper that was picked up from your shop in pieces. One look at that, and no one will send you a car they purchased for $100k+. This is simply because at no point in time should a car be kept in that condition, whether it's a installing a bolt on or a complete rebuild.

As for the dealer, they'll assume the risk if there are any issues. Who knows, this might be one of a few builds actually completed and done properly by a shop that has a horrible reputation. Would I trust it?

Hell.
No.

[Viper Girl]

Hope thread gets closed as what is the point at this point?

Closing threads isn't something we normally do here, if the OP requests it, we have closed threads in the past. In this case the OP wants the thread to stay open.


I'd like to remind everyone to stay civil, and play by the general forum rules. Posting here for those new posters who haven't seen the forum rules.
Thanks



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[Sybil TF]

People who do these mega builds have a lot of money and common sense to the layman does not compute. Anyone that puts $200k into upgrades on top of a $100k car to then drive it 200 miles and lose 50% its value of money invested is a special kind of person.

Wait. You telling us it costs $200K to do some mods and twin turbo a Gen 5?

[TheAnonymousOne]

My guess is some of these owners get the hell scared out of them after they actually drive a 1000+rwhp car.

This ^


But yeah I would not risk sending my car to RSI.

[plumcrazy]

if the thread doesnt end up a bash RSI thread, its staying up. please keep it civil. points have been made with RSI opinions and RSI has posted in defense. leave it at that please

[KB Viper]

We do guarantee the cars we sell. Any vehicles, even modified, are guaranteed to be in perfect, trouble free working order upon delivery to the new owner. On heavily modified cars, we typically offer a 30 day warranty on the modified aspects of the car. Because we are not the builders / tuners of vipers, we do not currently offer a warranty longer than 30 days unless their is a warranty offered from the builder. 9.9 out of 10 modified cars, sold by any dealer, are typically sold "as-is" as I am sure you are aware. Are you interested, or simply trying to find a reason to place me in the same light as you are RSI? If one of your forum members on here, whom ownes an RSI modified viper, was trying to sell their car, would you give them the same hard time you are giving me? Somehow I think not...

Not looking to butt heads with any member on here. I respect forum members looking out for their fellow man. I just don't think your beef with RSI should be directed at me or my car unless you or someone else has some first hand knowledge of any issues with my car, which there are none.

Hi Shelby,

would you be willing to drive the car in town to get it to normal operating temp to see what the motor and oil temps are? I'm interested to see if the front mounted intercooler restricts airflow to the radiator and oil cooler. are you willing to take some idle and flyby videos so we can see and here it in action?

thanks,
Kris

[serpent]

I'm just iffy on why the hood isn't lining up correctly.
Loved the vid, but skeptical

[Coloviper]

Really? This is my thread and I'd like it to stay open. You said your piece and if you want nothing more to do with it, simply don't click.

You are right, it is your thread. Keep it open. I was just commenting as to the point? As far as Sybil and the $200k comment, I don't know what these cost but remember numbers like this from Hennessey for Venom 1000, just saying these individuals with lots of money pay a lot for the cars when a normal person would buy a totally different car.

Jeez some of you just want to complain about everything. You would win the $110M lotto and just complain about the taxes all day long. OP is right, I will move on from this thread. Flame away, bash away or wherever it goes.

[Darius]

Looks like the RSI receipt for all the work say's $56,000. Between the car and kit you're looking at 170K + or - 5k. That's a huge loss for 700 miles.

[ironpeddler]

So who is going to buy this?? I was interested but the more time goes by the less interested I seem to be.

[Boba Fett]

Wow, what a wonderful attitude to have, especially towards someone you know nothing about.

Really?? You should talk. I just (and I mean JUST) called your dealership in regards to a car I am considering adding to my stable and what an attitude I got from the jerk on the phone which I think was you. Very unprofessional. Way to treat a potential customer.

[ViperSmith]

Boba did you sell yours already?

[Boba Fett]

I did not. Im not allowed to make a for sale thread for my 2014 orange TA because of my current status.

[Viper Girl]

I did not. Im not allowed to make a for sale thread for my 2014 orange TA because of my current status.
Boba, you are allowed to post a classified, just not a thread

[Boba Fett]

Boba, you are allowed to post a classified, just not a thread

OK thank you

[shelbyelite]

So please explain this conversation you had Boba???

[Boba Fett]

So please explain this conversation you had Boba???

Find it rather weird you'd want to openly, but.....I called in regards to a car you were selling which was advertised with aftermarket wheels. I asked if the original wheels were available with the car. The answer given-"we could get a set of those wheels". Asked a couple of more questions which were answered in a tone that simply made me feel like I was bothering this individual. Anyway, asked again about the wheels to be more specific-if the actual original wheels that came with the car were available, or if just some set of the manufacturers wheels would be made available with the purchase..guy gets attitude and states, "AGAIN".....I stopped him right there because I knew I wouldn't do business in such a manner.

No courtesy or friendliness detected in that discussion at all. Not somewhere I'll be buying my next $100K car from.

[shelbyelite]

I want to talk openly as I have nothing to hide!

It was me you talked to, and I didn't get an attitude with you at all. Either your mind was in the gutter, or you simply were not listening to my answers which I made very clear each time you asked (three times in a row to be exact). You asked how much I would sell the Nissan GT-R for. I politely asked you which wheels you wanted with it as it's advertised with two different wheel options. You said the aftermarkets. So I gave you a price. Then you asked about the factory wheels. I stated I had them, but they were not included along with the aftermarkets at the price I quoted you. You asked me again, if they were the factory wheels. I said yes, they were. Then again, you asked where I got the wheels and where the originals were. I answered the same question, for a third time in a row. Each time you asked, you were very condescending. I treat anyone that calls with respect, but talk down to me, and you will get the same in return. You had a very shrewd attitude from the first question. Would love to have had the conversation recorded so I could play it back for you. My sales mgr was standing right beside me in my office and heard the entire conversation. After you so rudely hung up the phone, he looked at me, shook his head and said "that was probably the rudest customer I have ever heard call in". I am sure you will try to paint a different picture, but I can assure you my Success in business is not the result of me being rude, for no reason, to people calling in on a vehicle I have for sale. Just like this thread is more or less you trying to stir the pot. As soon as someone mentioned taking it down or closing due to the rude comments within, you immediately made it clear you did not want "YOUR" thread closed. And, you ran straight to the forum after our phone conversation in which you claim I was the rude one. What exactly is your agenda???

[Boba Fett]

I want to talk openly as I have nothing to hide!

It was me you talked to, and I didn't get an attitude with you at all. Either your mind was in the gutter, or you simply were not listening to my answers which I made very clear each time you asked (three times in a row to be exact). You asked how much I would sell the Nissan GT-R for. I politely asked you which wheels you wanted with it as it's advertised with two different wheel options. You said the aftermarkets. So I gave you a price. Then you asked about the factory wheels. I stated I had them, but they were not included along with the aftermarkets at the price I quoted you. You asked me again, if they were the factory wheels. I said yes, they were. Then again, you asked where I got the wheels and where the originals were. I answered the same question, for a third time in a row. Each time you asked, you were very condescending. I treat anyone that calls with respect, but talk down to me, and you will get the same in return. You had a very shrewd attitude from the first question. Would love to have had the conversation recorded so I could play it back for you. My sales mgr was standing right beside me in my office and heard the entire conversation. After you so rudely hung up the phone, he looked at me, shook his head and said "that was probably the rudest customer I have ever heard call in". I am sure you will try to paint a different picture, but I can assure you my Success in business is not the result of me being rude, for no reason, to people calling in on a vehicle I have for sale. Just like this thread is more or less you trying to stir the pot. As soon as someone mentioned taking it down or closing due to the rude comments within, you immediately made it clear you did not want "YOUR" thread closed. And, you ran straight to the forum after our phone conversation in which you claim I was the rude one. What exactly is your agenda???

Asking me what my agenda is and stating that I was condescending is a very clever way of deflecting and simply lying about our discussion. Implying I have an agenda is comical as I don't know you or have any dealings with your dealership whatsoever. I requested this thread stay open because its MY thread and still was interested in reading what some members might have to say, nothing more. You really need to bring your arrogance to a halt in stating you know what my reasons are as you don't know me at all. Further I didn't "run" to the forum after our conversation as I was already sitting in front of the computer with this forum open.

I contacted you because I am interested in adding a GTR to my stable and no other reason. As simply and nicely as I can put it, I did not understand your answers in regards to the wheels. I was never rude to you or spoke down to you. I simply asked the same question more than once because you did not it make it clear as I stated in my first post about this. In any event, YOU were the one to speak in a belittling manner and seem to have gotten annoyed with me. Professionalism should have deterred you from getting irritated and talking to me in the disrespectful manner in which you did.

I am sure you run a successful business and have no idea how you treat your customers on scene but you are being totally dishonest here as I expected you would be. Despite of whatever lies you'd like to have the members of this forum believe about this conversation, you were anything but respectful and professional as you have proven here with your opening line about my mind being in the gutter, totally unwarranted.

[AZTVR]

Asking me what my agenda is and stating that I was condescending is a very clever way of deflecting and simply lying about out discussion. Implying I have an agenda is comical as I don't know you or have any dealings with your dealership whatsoever. I requested this thread stay open because its MY thread and still was interested in reading what some members might have to say, nothing more. You really need to bring your arrogance to a halt in stating you know what my reasons are as you don't know me at all. Further I didn't "run" to the forum after our conversation as I was already sitting in front of the computer with this forum open.

I contacted you because I am interested in adding a GTR to my stable and no other reason. As simply and nicely as I can put it, I did not understand your answers in regards to the wheels. I was never rude to you or spoke down to you. I simply asked the same question more than once because you did not it make it clear as I stated in my first post about this. In any event, YOU were the one to speak in a belittling manner and seem to have gotten annoyed with me. Professionalism should have deterred you from getting irritated and talking to me in the disrespectful manner in which you did.

I am sure you run a successful business and have no idea how you treat your customers on scene but you are being totally dishonest here as I expected you would be. Despite of whatever lies you'd like to have the members of this forum believe about this conversation, you were anything but respectful and professional as you have proven here with your opening line about my mind being in the gutter, totally unwarranted.



I read your post and, from your choice of words, and what I perceive to be your tone, I deduce that SE is probably telling the truth. Whether you and he like it or not, humans deduce many things from body language. When it is only voice interchange; then, inflection, tone, volume, and context, and word choice are used. When it is only words, the parameters are reduced. The more variables you remove from the equation the worse the deduction is.

Sounds to me that we have two guys that misread each other's conversation. Possibly both are telling the truth about what they "think" that the other meant by choice of words and inflection. Neither appears to really care at all what the other actually meant.

[Boba Fett]

I read your post and, from your choice of words, and what I perceive to be your tone, I deduce that SE is probably telling the truth. Whether you and he like it or not, humans deduce many things from body language. When it is only voice interchange; then, inflection, tone, volume, and context, and word choice are used. When it is only words, the parameters are reduced. The more variables you remove from the equation the worse the deduction is.

Sounds to me that we have two guys that misread each other's conversation. Possibly both are telling the truth about what they "think" that the other meant by choice of words and inflection. Neither appears to really care at all what the other actually meant.

I care about how I'm treated when I am a customer or a potential customer. I did care what SE was trying to say as I wanted answers and interested in buying a car, but stopped caring when in a loud irritated voice, he stated "AGAIN" and cut me off. At that point there was no need to care as I was completely discouraged from buying a car from him.

I do agree that he does not care at all what I meant. Professionalism should have encouraged him to IMHO.

[XSnake]

Is the twin turbo car sold yet?

[shelbyelite]

I am not gonna continue arguing with you. It's pointless. I never once said a rude word to you or spoke to you in any certain tone. When I am wrong I am happy to admit it. Have been wrong before, and will certainly be again, but in no way was I rude to you. Your forum posts and the way you continue to post about me and towards me speaks volumes. You immediately got an attitude on me and slammed the phone in my ear. I know exactly what I said. Never did I say the words you posted above. Not sure if you were thinking or focusing on something else but you clearly were not listening each time I answered your question. It's safe to say you are not buying our GTR. Case closed, but coming on here and immediately posting negative comments about me, then being surprised I asked you to explain on here, makes no sense. You clearly wanted your complaint public, so I felt you should explain yourself, public. And 99% of my business is from the Internet / phone calls, so why I would just decide to be rude to you, having absolutely no idea who you were when you called, makes no sense what so ever.

[jvm728]

Never have bought a car from elite, but would gladly do so. They have a great reputation for great vehicles.

I think RSI seems to be confronting issues head on and I would think they have the talents to build good vehicles, but poor communication, management, and customer service skills.

I'd probably buy the car after an extended test drive or weekend with it.

[jvm728]

Another rsi tt viper for sale:


http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271966883204&globalID=EBAY-US

[shelbyelite]

Thank you for the compliments everyone that said positive things about our business. We work very hard to have the positive and unmarked reputation we have and we have yet to have a single customer that purchased a vehicle from us that was unhappy with the vehicle or their deal with us. Our reputation is 1000000 X more important than any amount of money we make on a vehicle.

As for Boba, I will be the first to try to close this confrontation and call a truce and say you and I may have just misunderstood each other. Let's leave it at that. No point in continuing this disagreement. In the end, no one wins.

[Boba Fett]

I am not gonna continue arguing with you. It's pointless. I never once said a rude word to you or spoke to you in any certain tone. When I am wrong I am happy to admit it. Have been wrong before, and will certainly be again, but in no way was I rude to you. Your forum posts and the way you continue to post about me and towards me speaks volumes. You immediately got an attitude on me and slammed the phone in my ear. I know exactly what I said. Never did I say the words you posted above. Not sure if you were thinking or focusing on something else but you clearly were not listening each time I answered your question. It's safe to say you are not buying our GTR. Case closed, but coming on here and immediately posting negative comments about me, then being surprised I asked you to explain on here, makes no sense. You clearly wanted your complaint public, so I felt you should explain yourself, public. And 99% of my business is from the Internet / phone calls, so why I would just decide to be rude to you, having absolutely no idea who you were when you called, makes no sense what so ever.

I started this thread for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that was to find out the history of this car. Thread title "Who did this belong to" and a link (shown below)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Other-2dr-Cpe-/111729261272?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a03953ad8&item=111729261272

I had nothing to do with the direction the thread went in. There came a point when I looked at the rest of your line up and became interested in another 1 of your cars. That was my reason for calling....not to randomly "pick a fight" with someone as you have so many times implied. After my negative contact with you, yes, I posted about it. Posting about cars and car dealings on a car forum should not be a surprise to anyone.

You originally stated how many times you've answered my question and now state I immediately slammed the phone on you. You state that I was not listening, confused or that my mind was in the gutter. My mind was on buying a car, nothing else. Anyhow, my misunderstanding you, caused me to ask you the question more than once which lead to your frustration with me, then your rudeness. Then there came the point when you in a loud agitated voice you stated "again", when I stopped you and said, "wow, really, I'm sorry to have bothered you", and hung up the cell phone by pressing a button, no slamming.

[Boba Fett]

Thank you for the compliments everyone that said positive things about our business. We work very hard to have the positive and unmarked reputation we have and we have yet to have a single customer that purchased a vehicle from us that was unhappy with the vehicle or their deal with us. Our reputation is 1000000 X more important than any amount of money we make on a vehicle.

As for Boba, I will be the first to try to close this confrontation and call a truce and say you and I may have just misunderstood each other. Let's leave it at that. No point in continuing this disagreement. In the end, no one wins.

Fair enough. Mods please feel free to close thread.

[plumcrazy]

closed