TT GEN V with stock ecu - video

[hova00]

I ran across this video from HP Logic with a stock ECU E85 TT Gen V Viper and figured I would share it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7f2jTbZpvc

[pdv25]

That's Edwards car.

[Dman]

Running the dyno .... Like a boss.

[Crash]

So is this kit gonna be really expensive too?

[Dman]

Probably depends on what you compare it to, compared to a mustang or vette kit, or a Lamborghini or Ferarri kit.

[vegasgtr]

its 27k. I spoke to Edward.

[gpearl]

Gotta love that whistle.

[Motivated]

that is a wonderful noise

[slovenom]

I love it ...lol the dude running the dyno like a boss

[DZnutz]

Why is it that the fella behind the wheel looks like he's had a few run-ins with the law?

[EdwardETraylorIII]

What on earth are you talking about???????? The two people in the car have never had *ANY* issues with any sort of Law Enforcement. Let's quell the BS right now.


Why is it that the fella behind the wheel looks like he's had a few run-ins with the law?

[Dodge_Guy]

I'm not the "fella behind the wheel" in that video, but I have ridden in the car (I rode in the passenger seat while Ed drove to gas up the car - it runs on e85 by the way) and I can tell you first hand that the car not only runs flawlessly, but the power is absolutely unreal. I bought my 2014 Viper GTS brand new (and I've owned a Gen II and Gen IV prior to my Gen V car). This car is the real deal folks. I'm seriously contemplating purchasing a kit from him. (saving up the money now!). To say I was impressed would be an understatement! Ed is a stand up guy and when it comes to Vipers he really knows these cars.

[timberwolf]

11998
This look is so priceless!! The "I told you so mutha*&cka..". Cool confidence.

[KB Viper]

that's awesome. i'd love to hear more details.

[viper04]

11998
This look is so priceless!! The "I told you so mutha*&cka..". Cool confidence.

lol!

[pdv25]

Jack (the guy in the driver seat) Is a real cool guy. Known him for years, he would tune and help me with my GTR.

[hova00]

Jack should release some more videos of this car in action.

Hey Paul any chance you get a race between the two of you?

[lochnessmonster]

I love it ...lol the dude running the dyno like a boss


This^^^^

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Hova,

There are quite a few videos of it floating around. However if I post them I get moderated...

Hova,

I'm down to race Paul in two weeks once I finish breaking in the new clutch...

[pdv25]

I'll be ready Eddie lol.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy353/pdv1976/20150721_171346_zpsakanidbp.jpg

[vegasgtr]

I'll be ready Eddie lol.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy353/pdv1976/20150721_171346_zpsakanidbp.jpg

Oh snap.. Got my money on the spray..

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Paul,

I'll bet a cheeseburger dinner on it!! :)

[pdv25]

Paul,

I'll bet a cheeseburger dinner on it!! :)

Don't be turning up the boost now. ;)

[viper04]

Don't be turning up the boost now. ;)

Nice! anymore updates on the NOS install?

[pdv25]

Nice! anymore updates on the NOS install?

No, not yet. I just received it today, and just mocked it up too see if it would fit. I'll make a thread about it soon.

[Steve M]

This thread just got interesting!

[pdv25]

Jack should release some more videos of this car in action.

Hey Paul any chance you get a race between the two of you?

Missed this. Yea I'm sure Eddie and I will get a run in. Should be a closer race now. I would hope.

[Rapidrezults]

Subscribed!

[Whitey]

Paul, I'll cover your cheese burger dinner and a bottle of gas!

[pdv25]

Paul, I'll cover your cheese burger dinner and a bottle of gas!

LOL!!! Deal.. I'm still about 3 weeks out to get it all done.

[Junkie]

Nitrous TA's run hard…..from what I hear.

[pdv25]

Nitrous TA's run hard…..from what I hear.

You don't say, tell me more. lol... Want to say "thanks" to you and Tony for helping out! :dude3:

[outnumbered]

11998
This look is so priceless!! The "I told you so mutha*&cka..". Cool confidence.

Swag

[LmeaViper]

Lol, indeed that look is priceless.
Awesome power too.

[Viper Girl]

Wow this thread is the start of something incredible.
Cant wait to see these two cars run!

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Paul,

I'm ready for you (I think! LOL)!

Clutch is broken in and new tires go on the car today.

I was doing some final tweaking on the dyno last night (I was also trying a new/diff tire that couldn't hold the power-which I will fix today...) and kept violently spinning the tires on the dyno at 5K RPM at 12 PSI (just under 900 RW).... Definitely going to make over 1,000 RW at this boost level (12 PSI) when I can actually run her all the way out to 6500 RPM. The plan is to run boost by MPH up to 16 PSI in the next week or two.

http://i59.tinypic.com/317bm8z.jpg

[pdv25]

Paul,

I'm ready for you (I think! LOL)!

Clutch is broken in and new tires go on the car today.

I was doing some final tweaking on the dyno last night (I was also trying a new/diff tire that couldn't hold the power-which I will fix today...) and kept violently spinning the tires on the dyno at 5K RPM at 12 PSI (just under 900 RW).... Definitely going to make over 1,000 RW at this boost level (12 PSI) when I can actually run her all the way out to 6500 RPM. The plan is to run boost by MPH up to 16 PSI in the next week or two.

http://i59.tinypic.com/317bm8z.jpg

Sounds good bud! The guy installing the kit can't start until next week. I'm also waiting on wheels and tires. Once I get it all done I will let you know. If you keep your power around 900ish, it should be a good run. If you go 16psi over 1000whp there would be no point in racing lol.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Paul,

I'll keep her turned down as long as I can! Lemme know when you get your new shoes on, bud!!

[pdv25]

Paul,

I'll keep her turned down as long as I can! Lemme know when you get your new shoes on, bud!!

Will do! :drive::)

[Junkie]

900whp nitrous car has out ran 1000hp turbo cars.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Junkie, I've certainly heard that same conjecture... I guess I'm willing to find out if those TT cars truly made the advertised power. I seriously doubt it.

I've put Nitrous on a Gen V (300 shot) and it was absolutely not as fast as a Gen V on 12-13 PSI.

I understand you have one, too. I'd love to get a run in!

[donk_316]

Maybe bringing an E85 kit to market would be a good idea. Easy power there.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

donk,

Help me understand what ya mean?

E85 and Gas TT kits is what I do.

[viper04]

donk,

Help me understand what ya mean?

E85 and Gas TT kits is what I do.
Edward
Just wondering what is needed to run E85 on the Gen V. Thanks

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Viper04,

It's often debated, but I upgrade everything (except the hanger) in the fuel system. Pumps, lines, regulator and injectors.... Could you just dump E85 in, upgrade the injectors, tune for it and have it run like a scalded dog? Sure! But these engines are too expensive to build a half-assed solution to have E85 destroy it in a few months time.

[Malu59RT]

I missed this thread while out of town last week, so glad it got bumped!!

[rlhay2]

Could you share an image of IATs logged vs engine rpm during a dyno or street run?

[EdwardETraylorIII]

rlhay2,

IATs are, for the most part, irrelevant as this is an E85 build and we aren't maxing out the efficiency of these turbos... At 1,000-1,100 RWHP these turbos are well within their efficiency range and the E85 sucks the lion's share of the heat right out of the charge.

[KB Viper]

rlhay2,

IATs are, for the most part, irrelevant as this is an E85 build and we aren't maxing out the efficiency of these turbos... At 1,000-1,100 RWHP these turbos are well within their efficiency range and the E85 sucks the lion's share of the heat right out of the charge.

Ed--whats' the turn around time and cost to get a TT set up like yours? Could you do a flex fuel deal so it can be ran on E85 or pump with out having to re-flash?
Kris

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Kris,

It takes me 4 weeks start to finish to give you a turn-key TT Gen V.. Base kit starts @$27K and goes up slightly from there depending on options. Unfortunately switching from the pump gas to E85 tune takes about 2 minutes with with HP Tuners... No way around that.

[viper04]

Viper04,

It's often debated, but I upgrade everything (except the hanger) in the fuel system. Pumps, lines, regulator and injectors.... Could you just dump E85 in, upgrade the injectors, tune for it and have it run like a scalded dog? Sure! But these engines are too expensive to build a half-assed solution to have E85 destroy it in a few months time.

Edward
Thanks for the reply, I was more curious to see if it could be done with a tune/injectors and stock fuel system. Have you try it to see if there were any gains to be had or just a educated guess that it would run well. LOL! "scalded dog".

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Viper04,

I've done E85 conversions on countless large displacement (430+ CI) V8's that were 10.5:1 CR. I've also done an E85 conversion on one other Gen V (I put Nitrous on it also). You can expect a 20-25 RWHP gain from an E85 conversion on 500 CI NA motor... However, I just wouldn't go that route with only injectors and a tune. That OEM fuel system just won't last! Something will corrode, break off and stop up an injector thus causing a catastrophic engine failure. No bueno...

The cost of doing an entire fuel system is pretty hefty for only a 20(ish) rwhp gain. Couple it with a Nitrous install and it's a lot more palatable.

[rlhay2]

IATs are, for the most part, irrelevant as this is an E85 build and we aren't maxing out the efficiency of these turbos... and the E85 sucks the lion's share of the heat right out of the charge.

I've no experience with E85, hence why it would be nice to see the data.
Would it be possible to get EGT readings?

[Steve M]

The cost of doing an entire fuel system is pretty hefty for only a 20(ish) rwhp gain. Couple it with a Nitrous install and it's a lot more palatable.

Yep...the Teflon fuel lines alone are $$$, along with the fittings. I redid the entire fuel system on my old Camaro, and I had at least $1,000 in just lines and fittings.

[EdwardETraylorIII]

rlhay,

What exactly are you looking to glean? There is no way to give you comparable IAT data since E85 changes the dynamics of the entire process. Example: I could have 180 degree IATs and the car still won't be prone to detonation on E85. The atomization process of the E85 charge sucks a ton of heat out of the incoming air and fuel charge. (think: dip your finger in alcohol and blow on it. it cools off rapidly). Comparing IAT's of E85 vs. petrol based engines is like comparing apples to dinosaurs...

As far as EGT readings, I would think you'd be more interested in A:F readings? Those are in the *very* conservative 11.5:1 range on E85. EGTs on E85 are about 10% cooler (per AFR) than on standard petrol with 10-15% E content. I don't know anyone that still tunes based on EGT.

[rlhay2]

I just have no experience with E85. As such, some of these claims are just hard to process.
Was hoping to quantify just how much heat E85 quelled once injected into the cylinders.

[slovenom]

Edward where is your shop located at ?
Do you work on Gen2 vipers ?

[moe.basilo]

Paul,

I'm ready for you (I think! LOL)!

Clutch is broken in and new tires go on the car today.

I was doing some final tweaking on the dyno last night (I was also trying a new/diff tire that couldn't hold the power-which I will fix today...) and kept violently spinning the tires on the dyno at 5K RPM at 12 PSI (just under 900 RW).... Definitely going to make over 1,000 RW at this boost level (12 PSI) when I can actually run her all the way out to 6500 RPM. The plan is to run boost by MPH up to 16 PSI in the next week or two.

http://i59.tinypic.com/317bm8z.jpg

Ed i just want to thank you for sharing all this info with the viper community and i really appreciate what have you been done to the venom
hats off to you buddy and keep up the good work.

i just want to ask you because am going for a TT package soon what is the max and safe PSI you can go on pump gas? and what are the dyno numbers for that? am just curious to know
because where i live we do not have E85 fuel we just have 98 OCT is the highest and i can go with MS109 or C16 but my concern is on pump gas right now
and what if i want to switch maps from pump gas to C16 do it should be done by HP TUNER only or we can just can do it with a switch hit and thats it.

Thanks,
Moe

[moe.basilo]

I'll be ready Eddie lol.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy353/pdv1976/20150721_171346_zpsakanidbp.jpg

good luck on the build paul cant wait to see that beast out there on the street buddy its going to hurt alot of feelings haha :)
and a race between You and Ed is going to be interesting for the viper community, Ed is really doing a great job with the viper
he is the first one out here to tune a TT VIPER with HP TUNER and i believe he can raise the boost up till 18 PSI and i believe he can prove that too .. alot of people were doubting him at the beginning including myself till he proved it .. my hats off to him and much respect for his work .. we can save alot of $$$ now instead of going with a standalone ECU .. am going with a TT Package soon and am going to use HP TUNER instead of a standalone ECU .. thanks again for all the information guys i really appreciate it
looking forward to see your thread paul for the N0Z buddy :t1236:

[EdwardETraylorIII]

Ed i just want to thank you for sharing all this info with the viper community and i really appreciate what have you been done to the venom
hats off to you buddy and keep up the good work.

Thank you very much for the kind words! It has been a steep climb with little to no help but we refused to give up!


i just want to ask you because am going for a TT package soon what is the max and safe PSI you can go on pump gas? and what are the dyno numbers for that? am just curious to know
because where i live we do not have E85 fuel we just have 98 OCT is the highest and i can go with MS109 or C16 but my concern is on pump gas right now
and what if i want to switch maps from pump gas to C16 do it should be done by HP TUNER only or we can just can do it with a switch hit and thats it.

On a non-intercooled base kit on pump gas you can only run about 7-8 PSI (depends a lot on the weather). This will net you well over 700 RWHP. (on 98 octane fuel, you could make 50-75 more RWHP with a simple tune adjustment)
On a non-intercooled Stage I (upgraded fuel system and clutch) kit on E85 you can run 16 PSI. This will net you over 1,000 RWHP.

On an intercooled stage I I kit on pump gas you can make 10-11 PSI which is well over 820 RWHP. (add 4 PSI and 100 RWHP to this number on 98 octane)
On an intercooled stage II (further upgraded fuel system and slightly larger turbos) kit on E85 you can make 17-18 PSI which is *well* over 1,100 RWHP.

Beyond these options you get into head work, a cam shaft and engine builds and start talking about stupid power. Quite frankly, 1100 RWHP on the Gen V platform will net you 160+ MPH traps. Who needs more than that? :)

Switching Tunes is easy - but it does requires HPTuners (which you get with with the purchase of a kit). All the tunes are already built so all you have to do is click a file, then click "write to vehicle" and your pump gas/E85/Race gas tunes are interchangeable. It literally takes 2-3 minutes with your surface pro/laptop.

I don't disclose a lot of things publicly because I've literally spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars developing the various recipes that work so well on the Gen V platform. When you become a customer, you get all the info (turbocharger specifics, injector specifics, etc...) In fact, we sit down and build a very specific package to meet your needs.


Edward where is your shop located at ?
Do you work on Gen2 vipers ?

It's in Royal Palm Beach, FL

I haven't done any work on the Gen II platform. However, if it's currently Turbocharged and it needs any sort of work or tuning, we can handle it.

I have purposefully not mentioned my shop's name here because I want to honor this forums rules since I am not a sponsor. I'm very easy to reach directly if you wish to talk. I do not want to take advantage of the good folks that run this forum.

[moe.basilo]

Thank you very much for the kind words! It has been a steep climb with little to no help but we refused to give up!



On a non-intercooled base kit on pump gas you can only run about 7-8 PSI (depends a lot on the weather). This will net you well over 700 RWHP. (on 98 octane fuel, you could make 50-75 more RWHP with a simple tune adjustment)
On a non-intercooled Stage I (upgraded fuel system and clutch) kit on E85 you can run 16 PSI. This will net you over 1,000 RWHP.

On an intercooled stage I I kit on pump gas you can make 10-11 PSI which is well over 820 RWHP. (add 4 PSI and 100 RWHP to this number on 98 octane)
On an intercooled stage II (further upgraded fuel system and slightly larger turbos) kit on E85 you can make 17-18 PSI which is *well* over 1,100 RWHP.

Beyond these options you get into head work, a cam shaft and engine builds and start talking about stupid power. Quite frankly, 1100 RWHP on the Gen V platform will net you 160+ MPH traps. Who needs more than that? :)

Switching Tunes is easy - but it does requires HPTuners (which you get with with the purchase of a kit). All the tunes are already built so all you have to do is click a file, then click "write to vehicle" and your pump gas/E85/Race gas tunes are interchangeable. It literally takes 2-3 minutes with your surface pro/laptop.

I don't disclose a lot of things publicly because I've literally spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars developing the various recipes that work so well on the Gen V platform. When you become a customer, you get all the info (turbocharger specifics, injector specifics, etc...) In fact, we sit down and build a very specific package to meet your needs.



It's in Royal Palm Beach, FL

I haven't done any work on the Gen II platform. However, if it's currently Turbocharged and it needs any sort of work or tuning, we can handle it.

I have purposefully not mentioned my shop's name here because I want to honor this forums rules since I am not a sponsor. I'm very easy to reach directly if you wish to talk. I do not want to take advantage of the good folks that run this forum.

Thanks for the kind reply Ed I really appreciate it
Looking forward to see more of your work on the venom .. Excellent Job :drive:

[TooBlue]

Thank you very much for the kind words! It has been a steep climb with little to no help but we refused to give up!



On a non-intercooled base kit on pump gas you can only run about 7-8 PSI (depends a lot on the weather). This will net you well over 700 RWHP. (on 98 octane fuel, you could make 50-75 more RWHP with a simple tune adjustment)
On a non-intercooled Stage I (upgraded fuel system and clutch) kit on E85 you can run 16 PSI. This will net you over 1,000 RWHP.

On an intercooled stage I I kit on pump gas you can make 10-11 PSI which is well over 820 RWHP. (add 4 PSI and 100 RWHP to this number on 98 octane)
On an intercooled stage II (further upgraded fuel system and slightly larger turbos) kit on E85 you can make 17-18 PSI which is *well* over 1,100 RWHP.

Beyond these options you get into head work, a cam shaft and engine builds and start talking about stupid power. Quite frankly, 1100 RWHP on the Gen V platform will net you 160+ MPH traps. Who needs more than that? :)

Switching Tunes is easy - but it does requires HPTuners (which you get with with the purchase of a kit). All the tunes are already built so all you have to do is click a file, then click "write to vehicle" and your pump gas/E85/Race gas tunes are interchangeable. It literally takes 2-3 minutes with your surface pro/laptop.

I don't disclose a lot of things publicly because I've literally spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars developing the various recipes that work so well on the Gen V platform. When you become a customer, you get all the info (turbocharger specifics, injector specifics, etc...) In fact, we sit down and build a very specific package to meet your needs.



It's in Royal Palm Beach, FL

I haven't done any work on the Gen II platform. However, if it's currently Turbocharged and it needs any sort of work or tuning, we can handle it.

I have purposefully not mentioned my shop's name here because I want to honor this forums rules since I am not a sponsor. I'm very easy to reach directly if you wish to talk. I do not want to take advantage of the good folks that run this forum.

Edward, any reason you don't want to be a VOA sponsor? Seems like there are people interested in the work you are doing and therefore some additional customers. Congrats on successfully building some working Gen 5 TTs.

My TT runs on E98. Like you said, it is amazing the "cooling" effect of alcohol.

[Sneaky Pete]

Thank you very much for the kind words! It has been a steep climb with little to no help but we refused to give up!



On a non-intercooled base kit on pump gas you can only run about 7-8 PSI (depends a lot on the weather). This will net you well over 700 RWHP. (on 98 octane fuel, you could make 50-75 more RWHP with a simple tune adjustment)
On a non-intercooled Stage I (upgraded fuel system and clutch) kit on E85 you can run 16 PSI. This will net you over 1,000 RWHP.

On an intercooled stage I I kit on pump gas you can make 10-11 PSI which is well over 820 RWHP. (add 4 PSI and 100 RWHP to this number on 98 octane)
On an intercooled stage II (further upgraded fuel system and slightly larger turbos) kit on E85 you can make 17-18 PSI which is *well* over 1,100 RWHP.

Beyond these options you get into head work, a cam shaft and engine builds and start talking about stupid power. Quite frankly, 1100 RWHP on the Gen V platform will net you 160+ MPH traps. Who needs more than that? :)

Switching Tunes is easy - but it does requires HPTuners (which you get with with the purchase of a kit). All the tunes are already built so all you have to do is click a file, then click "write to vehicle" and your pump gas/E85/Race gas tunes are interchangeable. It literally takes 2-3 minutes with your surface pro/laptop.

I don't disclose a lot of things publicly because I've literally spent hundreds of thousands of Dollars developing the various recipes that work so well on the Gen V platform. When you become a customer, you get all the info (turbocharger specifics, injector specifics, etc...) In fact, we sit down and build a very specific package to meet your needs.



It's in Royal Palm Beach, FL

I haven't done any work on the Gen II platform. However, if it's currently Turbocharged and it needs any sort of work or tuning, we can handle it.

I have purposefully not mentioned my shop's name here because I want to honor this forums rules since I am not a sponsor. I'm very easy to reach directly if you wish to talk. I do not want to take advantage of the good folks that run this forum.

Nice work Ed. Any updates here?