Our First Reviews Of The Viper ACR Are In!

[Rapidrezults]

Just happened to be checking the news feed and found these. For all you clamoring to see the first words written about this beast....here you go:


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/first-drive-2016-dodge-viper-acr-is-a-645-horsepower-monster

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-review


Updated:

New reviews as mentioned in the thread compiled here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1507_2016_dodge_viper_acr_first_drive_review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/features/a26113/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/07/review-2016-viper-acr/

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1507-2016-dodge-viper-acr-review/

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-what-is-it-124330658112.html

http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/dodge/acr/first-drive

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/117500-viper-acr-thats-steal/

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-if-it-was-snake-it-wouldve-bit-ya

http://jalopnik.com/2016-dodge-viper-acr-the-unscripted-racer-review-1719237409

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57rTTpoYY4A

[ViperSmith]

Seemingly positive


Viper is Detroit’s supercar and entirely American in character. It’s loud, imposing, and makes no apologies, but in ACR spec, it’s going to make its owners the superheroes of their local track days. With boundless acceleration, abundant grip, and authentic race car looks and performance, this is the kind of car that will impress the heck out of any enthusiast.

[Rapidrezults]

Tires are bespoke, ACR-only, ultra sticky, near slicks from Kumho, and they hang onto asphalt like plaid on a hipster. Their innate mechanical traction is one thing, but when speed is combined with aerodynamic downforce, this Viper grips unlike any road car I’ve ever driven – tuned Porsche 911 GT2 RSs and GT3 RSs included.

We're definitely going in the right direction! Woooooooo!

[ViperDC]

Bad. Ass.

[Rapidrezults]

From Car and Driver:


Going fast requires a few things of the driver: The car wants to be pointed straight when you’re hard on the brakes or the tail will wag, the shifter still needs to be strong armed into gear, and making meaningful downforce requires big speed.

Looks like the tail wag is still there. Hmmm...

[ViperDC]

Need lap times. Cant wait to see what it runs

[SRT BILL]

Any idea why the stock looking front X brace, I thought the carbon fiber one was the hot set up. I also liked the red with the black, awesome car!!

[FLATOUT]

Any idea why the stock looking front X brace, I thought the carbon fiber one was the hot set up. I also liked the red with the black, awesome car!!

Agree I'm surprised to see that their unless it's a stiffness issue.

[swexlin]

While they are all generally positive, the same old same old ("not an easy car to drive") type of still filters in here and there.

[FLATOUT]

While they are all generally positive, the same old same old ("not an easy car to drive") type of still filters in here and there.

With the tail still wagging under breaking and the damper technology they're using I would expect those types of responses from journalists to continue .

[viper04]

Interesting read! wondering why the stock X brace was used in the photo?

[Snakebit10]

This tired old rehashed drivel made me not even want to read the article:

"The Dodge Viper is not a comfortable car. Livable, yes. The interior is covered in fine materials. But you still climb over a hot door sill to enter the tiny cabin. And the frequency range of the engine's noises seem specifically designed to cause headaches."

Why start off an article about a streetlegal race car like this??? I don't think I have ever seen this kind of deliberate attacks on Porsches similar offerings. I am positive the ACR will destroy its class competition yet they will continue to harp on subjective things to diminish it.

I was, however, surprised that it weighs 3400 lbs according to Autoblog. I was expecting it to be nearer the SRT's weight. Can't wait to see this thing in all black with the blood red drivers stripe....Just love that rear diffuser. The rear 3/4 view is just incredible.

[swexlin]

This tired old rehashed drivel made me not even want to read the article:

"The Dodge Viper is not a comfortable car. Livable, yes. The interior is covered in fine materials. But you still climb over a hot door sill to enter the tiny cabin. And the frequency range of the engine's noises seem specifically designed to cause headaches."

Why start off an article about a streetlegal race car like this??? I don't think I have ever seen this kind of deliberate attacks on Porsches similar offerings. I am positive the ACR will destroy its class competition yet they will continue to harp on subjective things to diminish it.

I was, however, surprised that it weighs 3400 lbs according to Autoblog. I was expecting it to be nearer the SRT's weight. Can't wait to see this thing in all black with the blood red drivers stripe....Just love that rear diffuser. The rear 3/4 view is just incredible.

This is what I was alluding to in my previous post. Some journalists don't like the Viper, period, no matter how good.

[SlateEd]

While they are all generally positive, the same old same old ("not an easy car to drive") type of still filters in here and there.

That's true... not necessarily good for sales, but bad-ass for overall perception...

from autoblog: "On track, the ACR is amazing. You could drive it on the street, but that would be a waste of both your time, and the Viper's."

[ViperSmith]

Any idea why the stock looking front X brace, I thought the carbon fiber one was the hot set up. I also liked the red with the black, awesome car!!

To shave $3000 off the price tag.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1507-2016-dodge-viper-acr-review/

"Yet it was a balls-out ride with one of the development engineers, Chris Winkler, a former racer with thousands of laps in Vipers, that showed us just how fast this car is. I’ve raced in the now-defunct Viper Challenge series, and driven plenty of the old ACRs – they ceased production in 2010 – but my cut-parry-thrust ride with Winkler was the fastest I have ever been around a racetrack in a street-legal production car. He says this car is at least five seconds faster on the track than the last ACR. I think his estimate is conservative."

[swexlin]

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1507-2016-dodge-viper-acr-review/

"Yet it was a balls-out ride with one of the development engineers, Chris Winkler, a former racer with thousands of laps in Vipers, that showed us just how fast this car is. I’ve raced in the now-defunct Viper Challenge series, and driven plenty of the old ACRs – they ceased production in 2010 – but my cut-parry-thrust ride with Winkler was the fastest I have ever been around a racetrack in a street-legal production car. He says this car is at least five seconds faster on the track than the last ACR. I think his estimate is conservative."

Now THAT was a good review. He gets it, and is basically stating that this is one of the top performance cars in the world, at any price, even he if didn't use those exact words.

[v10enomous]

This tired old rehashed drivel made me not even want to read the article:

"The Dodge Viper is not a comfortable car. Livable, yes. The interior is covered in fine materials. But you still climb over a hot door sill to enter the tiny cabin. And the frequency range of the engine's noises seem specifically designed to cause headaches."



Who would have seen this coming:) They just pull up their previous Viper review files and cut and paste this stuff :smilielol:

[Rapidrezults]

Now THAT was a good review. He gets it, and is basically stating that this is one of the top performance cars in the world, at any price, even he if didn't use those exact words.

Yup. This is the best review of the bunch. Hopefully more to come like this.

[v10enomous]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

He had me at "This thing is Ridiculous" It was a good kind of Ridiculous...

[Coloviper]

Waiting on performance times and who was driving. If a relatively novice turns great times, that says a lot for the car as well as awesome times for pro drivers.

Also waiting for the Future Jalopnik article review where they state, " how the Viper is just not as good as the Future whatever Vette on the track, complain about blah, blah, blah and finish up that the test car did not have as strong CCB brakes which if it did, would have lessened their impact into the tire wall off the track."

[ACRucrazy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

[Whitey]

Great video! Finally!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

[Bruce H.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

Excellent review!

[ViperPete]

Great reviews so far!

[SSGNRDZ_28]

http://jalopnik.com/heres-18-seconds-of-the-dodge-viper-acr-going-extremely-1718447199


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fruRPg-m0oU

[V1P3R]

Holy crap! That was awesome!

[SilveRT8]

Note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an ACR, my neighbors dont want me to have an ACR, my doctor dont want me to have an ACR, my insurance agent dont want me to have an ACR, the local cop dont want me to have an ACR, my Track buddies dont want me to have an ACR ......

[ViperDC]

From Car and Driver:



Looks like the tail wag is still there. Hmmm...

How the hell did C&D only manage a 249.9 out of a TA at VIR when Chevy has ran a 241.3 with the Z07 package Z06 there?

[mjorgensen]

Note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an ACR, my neighbors dont want me to have an ACR, my doctor dont want me to have an ACR, my insurance agent dont want me to have an ACR, the local cop dont want me to have an ACR, my Track buddies dont want me to have an ACR ......

Sounds like a song I know lol.

[XSnake]

How the hell did C&D only manage a 249.9 out of a TA at VIR when Chevy has ran a 241.3 with the Z07 package Z06 there?

Driver

[Rapidrezults]

note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an acr, my neighbors dont want me to have an acr, my doctor dont want me to have an acr, my insurance agent dont want me to have an acr, the local cop dont want me to have an acr, my track buddies dont want me to have an acr ......

lol!

[v10enomous]

Note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an ACR, my neighbors dont want me to have an ACR, my doctor dont want me to have an ACR, my insurance agent dont want me to have an ACR, the local cop dont want me to have an ACR, my Track buddies dont want me to have an ACR ......


Sounds like a song I know lol.

"How am I Supposed to Live Without you" :)

[MalingatorGTS]

I think most of the reviews are exactly what you'd expect. Most love parts of the car, but will always find some reason to complain about, something "Viper" which makes it what it is. If it had flappy paddles to shift, they would bitch that the car got rid of a real stick. If it had more carpet, they would say, why does it have carpet in a race car? Take it for what it's worth. If the car had a prancing horse on it, most would love the "throwback" feel of a real six speed, the insane Italian design of the cf aero package, etc, etc...

Just be proud that an American mainstream car company has made a REAL limited production car which will out perform MOST cars 3x the cost! They should be waiving the flag and pounding their chest of look what America can produce, although we know that's not the popular media line nowadays...

[SSGNRDZ_28]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/features/a26113/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

[ViperDC]

Driver

8.6 seconds? Who was driving the TA...my mom? Lol

[duffman04]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/features/a26113/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

Great review!

[ViperDC]

Just be proud that an American mainstream car company has made a REAL limited production car which will out perform MOST cars 3x the cost! They should be waiving the flag and pounding their chest of look what America can produce, although we know that's not the popular media line nowadays...

Definitely. And I think out performing "most" cars is selling this car short. I think it'll blow the doors of anything but the LaFerrari, P1 and 918 and definitely give them a hard time. For +/- $130k? That's awesome

[ViperTony]

"At VIR, the big speed is demanded of you in the most pucker-intensive corners of the track. "

I agree with this statement. I had to "Un-Quench" my seat a few times on that track. LOL. ;)

[ViperDC]

I liked this part of the Automobile review:

"You might think that performance-enhancing weight savings – some lightweight carpet; a “minimal three-speaker audio system,” Dodge says; thin, manually-adjustable seats – mean the interior is a penalty box. Not so. Alcantara is everywhere, including on the steering wheel; the “minimal” stereo still sings decent sound and provides Sirius radio, navigation and Bluetooth; there’s air conditioning and power windows. What else do you need?"

At least they're not weenies.

[swexlin]

Road and Track seems to "get it" as well!.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Lots of very positive reviews so far.... I'm really impressed by the ability to tune aero balance with the vents in the front and rear wing, that's real race car stuff.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/07/review-2016-viper-acr/

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-what-is-it-124330658112.html

[XSTAR]

Awesome stuff....that Comp Blue ACR is stunnging. They all are actually!

Love that flyby in the Jalopnik Vid...

[VENOM V]

Road and Track seems to "get it" as well!.

Amen. You can tell the difference between a true car guy and racer like Road and Track's author Vs. Car and Driver's. Passion and an understanding of the significance of the ACR's true race car capability is only recognized by the former. The Car and Driver guy probably has no idea what it's like to experience nirvana on the track. It's just a job, he would rather rave about the Prius's extended battery range!

[XSnake]

ACR is running 1:56.7 at VIR currently. Unsure if it's extreme car or not. I would guess it is

[ViperPete]

It's just a job, he would rather rave about the Prius's extended battery range!

Oh God... that's sickening isn't it? "puke"

[mjorgensen]

ACR is running 1:56.7 at VIR currently. Unsure if it's extreme car or not. I would guess it is

56 or 46???

[XSnake]

8.6 seconds? Who was driving the TA...my mom? Lol

Easily

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56 or 46???
The ViperExchange GT3-R is running 1:46's. SRT threw a new ACR into the mix, it's running 56's currently.

[Snakebit10]

ACR is running 1:56.7 at VIR currently. Unsure if it's extreme car or not. I would guess it is

Sounds like its on a different track config than what C&D runs at their Lightning Lap test if its doing a 1:56. If it was the LL config the times would be in the 2:4xx range if memory serves.

[VENOM V]

Lots of very positive reviews so far.... I'm really impressed by the ability to tune aero balance with the vents in the front and rear wing, that's real race car stuff.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/07/review-2016-viper-acr/

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-what-is-it-124330658112.html

Yes! Two more solid reviews by those who get it.

[XSnake]

Sounds like its on a different track config than what C&D runs at their Lightning Lap test if its doing a 1:56. If it was the LL config the times would be in the 2:4xx range if memory serves.
The GRM UTCC is run on the normal course configuration that most are races held in. C&D are the only ones that use the Grand Course that i've seen.

[BlknBlu]

That was my thought too, so is a 1:56 good, need something to compare it too.

Bruce

[FrgMstr]

With the tail still wagging under breaking and the damper technology they're using I would expect those types of responses from journalists to continue .

Proper response, "Don't be a pussy. Tail wag is just the Viper's way of waving bye bye to the cars it just passed on the straight."

[ViperSmith]

Automotive journalism:

Article on C7Z "car is awesome so fast perfect" last line "oh yeah it blew an engine"

Viper: "so uncivilized it just can't be driven except for tracks." Intro then "fast as shit and holy crap awesome"

Such bias

[XSnake]

That was my thought too, so is a 1:56 good, need something to compare it too.

Bruce

That probably a record for a production car. Anything under 2 min there is fast, even in a race car. Bens fastest lap in his X is 1:56.6 but, that was before the repave and the widening.

[Doug Nash]

Holy cow - that back stretch blow by was awesome!

[Snakebit10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

WOW. Car looks astounding slithering on track. Veni Vidi Vici

[Doug Nash]

The top cars (Lussier, Hartley) were running 1:53's at the NARRA Grand Prix last month in the Comp Coupes so this is fast. The other thing is fast and VERY BRAVE to be getting that out of the car with no cage, seat, harness and just a seat belt.
Big cahones.

[FrgMstr]

Just read though all the posted reviews and I have to say that I have never seen as much Viper enthusiasm from the journo's than I have today. You know Dodge is doing something right when the Viper sees that level of support from reviewers. KUDOS Dodge!

[donk_316]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

How tall is this driver? 5'5"-5'8"? Or is the ACR interior that much more roomy?

[Bill Pemberton]

Did not see an answer , but the Carbon Fiber x brace is not the standard brace , the metal one is. You can order the Carbon one, but one has to figure with the 2000 lbs of downforce and lateral gs , there is a reason they chose the metal one for standard equipment.

More is coming as mentioned and nice to see journalists back drooling on the Viper !!

[Darius]

Now I think I want the GTS-R blue with white stripes. Starting to like the dual stripes over the ACR stripes.

[VENOM V]

Now I think I want the GTS-R blue with white stripes. Starting to like the dual stripes over the ACR stripes.

I hear you, that's a bad ass combo. I have never been so conflicted on a color, so many great combos. I tend to lean towards GTS stripes but both styles are wicked

[ViperSmith]

http://i.imgur.com/LZdATAE.jpg

[ViperDC]

Amen. You can tell the difference between a true car guy and racer like Road and Track's author Vs. Car and Driver's. Passion and an understanding of the significance of the ACR's true race car capability is only recognized by the former. The Car and Driver guy probably has no idea what it's like to experience nirvana on the track. It's just a job, he would rather rave about the Prius's extended battery range!

Agreed

[Bruce H.]

A member here logged a 1:57.xx in his '09 ACR on that "Full Course" that they're posting times for. He then ran it in his TA, and although he didn't get a clear lap, logging showed he was running parts of the track faster in the TA. The 2 plus minute times are for the Grand Course as previously mentioned, which adds an infield section of track in the middle of the back straight.

[ViperTony]

A member here logged a 1:57.xx in his '09 ACR on that "Full Course" that they're posting times for. He then ran it in his TA, and although he didn't get a clear lap, logging showed he was running parts of the track faster in the TA. The 2 plus minute times are for the Grand Course as previously mentioned, which adds an infield section of track in the middle of the back straight.

At ViperDays last month we ran the "Full Course" (http://virnow.com/track/configurations/) which was 3.27 miles with 18 turns, no infield. This is what the TT group and races were running that weekend as well and that must be the course Ben has the GT3R 1:46 time. That's really damn impressive for this configuration. If this ACR is near that time or the TA for that is under 2 minutes on this course configuration then WOW.

[Bill Pemberton]

Date on the form says today -- wonder what Chris Winkler is running , just says Viper and nothing more?

[TooBlue]

Date on the form says today -- wonder what Chris Winkler is running , just says Viper and nothing more?

Did you see the sponsor? Isn't that the new ACR?

[XSnake]

Date on the form says today -- wonder what Chris Winkler is running , just says Viper and nothing more?
New ACR (post #45)

[TrackAire]

From our friend Randy P at Motor Trend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1507_2016_dodge_viper_acr_first_drive_review/

I'm pretty sure Dodge has asked that no times be published, but I could be wrong.

Overall, pretty awesome responses!!

[TooBlue]

New ACR

Great minds think alike...:)

[BlknBlu]

absolutely incredible. I get goosebumps reading the articles.

Bruce

[XSnake]

There's a TA also running 2 min flat

[ViperPete]

Wow....

That Motor Trend review sings high praises!

Hell yeah SRT/Dodge!

[Rapidrezults]

I think I died and woke up in Viper heaven this morning. This is pure bliss! Finally the Viper is getting the respect it has long deserved. I so wish I could be at VIR today spectating. Levitas there with his TPC Tractive Porsche, Keating in the GT3R and SRT with the new ACR turning insane times. Does it get much better?

[ViperPete]

I think I died and woke up in Viper heaven this morning. This is pure bliss! Finally the Viper is getting the respect it has long deserved. I so wish I could be at VIR today spectating. Levitas there with his TPC Tractive Porsche, Keating in the GT3R and SRT with the new ACR turning insane times. Does it get much better?

I agree. Total overload! And it feels good!

[Nine Ball]

Here are the SCCA class records for that VIR 3.2 layout. Keep in mind that this list is all modified cars. It has already beaten the T1 record, which is very impressive.

http://www.ncrscca.com/ncrscca/sites/default/files/results/club/track_records/NCR%20RECORDS_0.pdf

Also, back when the Gen 4 ACR broke the record, it was a 2:00.6 lap. Here is the video of that. Puts things into perspective, 4 seconds is a LOT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ipcFBwvYxg

Tony

[ViperSmith]

Wow, Randy's comments are all fantastic

[ACR Steve]

that's only times from session 1 - cant wait to see how they improve during the day

[FLATOUT]

Damn these cars are flying! Happy to see Ben running so well with the ViperExchange car as well. Man that's flying.

[Nine Ball]

Car #34 Brad Wood - that car is a TA2.0

Found the registration sheet on facebook. No ACR at the time.

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11403312_10153514659128140_8908146871564449336_n.p ng?oh=453e5805abb8882e56cf2dc284cb382d&oe=56555AB0

Here is the facebook page for the event. Maybe they will post results later?

https://www.facebook.com/events/661942097251568/

[Bill Pemberton]

Time shows Chris Winkler though, and he is one of the two well know Test Driver/Engineers for the Viper. He set the 1:33 time for the ACR at Laguna Seca.

[ViperSmith]

Is the "SRT" listed actually the ACR on that sheet?

[Bill Pemberton]

Too Blue -- figured my light sarcasm would bleed through, ha.

[VENOM V]

I just read Randy's Motor Trend review. Spot on. Whatever preconceptions the media had about the Viper is getting shattered by guys that know that is one of the last pure street legal track cars. The C7 Z06 is now aimed towards the non track rat, which is a shame. Love theViper

[Shooter]

Time shows Chris Winkler though, and he is one of the two well know Test Driver/Engineers for the Viper. He set the 1:33 time for the ACR at Laguna Seca.

It's funny how people always think it needs to be "Randy P" for the fast lap times, when actually Chris's Gen 4 ACR time was quicker then any of Randy's attempts in the Gen 4 ACR.

[Darius]

I just found out that if you get the dual white stripes they paint the wing body color which is really a bummer. I can't see why they would ever paint over all that carbon. I'm trying to figure out how to get the gts-r blue and white stripe with a exposed carbon wing.

[Nine Ball]

I just found out that if you get the dual white stripes they paint the wing body color which is really a bummer. I can't see why they would ever paint over all that carbon. I'm trying to figure out how to get the gts-r blue and white stripe with a exposed carbon wing.

It is probably just as simple as telling them to do it that way. Order from the right dealer, they will make it happen.

[darbgnik]

"I felt a little sorry for SRT as that new ‘Vette is a monster. Well I’ve just stepped from the latest counterattack of this rival Detroit gang: the 2016 Dodge Viper ACR, and I’m not mincing words, friends. This car will send the Z07 back to the garage for upgrades. SRT has come back with guns blazing."
"Stir in the asking price of $122,490 (including $2,495 for destination and a $2,100 gas guzzler tax), and this street-legal track killer is an absolute grand slam. For the highways of this great country, that wing is outrageous. The splitter is nuts. Vipers have always been outrageous, and now the ACR version measures up to the hype and beyond. The beast has got a leash, and with no loss of ferocity."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/dodge/viper/#ixzz3gBUB3f6X

Randy Pobst seems to like the ACR

[TrackratViper]

I like it too. I want one NOW.

[Zybane]

All those ACR paint jobs look incredible. I think the classic red/black is my favorite though.

[I Bin Therbefor]

With the tail still wagging under breaking and the damper technology they're using I would expect those types of responses from journalists to continue .

You sure it isn't Sam copying from Pete? There's an awful lot of that which goes on. Remember, we're talking about writers that are rewarded on controversy.

[Canadian venom]

Note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an ACR, my neighbors dont want me to have an ACR, my doctor dont want me to have an ACR, my insurance agent dont want me to have an ACR, the local cop dont want me to have an ACR, my Track buddies dont want me to have an ACR ......

But I want you to have an ACR, you want to have an ACR :icon_devil:

[Darius]

It is probably just as simple as telling them to do it that way. Order from the right dealer, they will make it happen.

That's who I've been talking to, he said it takes a act of god to get them to change anything. Hopefully I can talk to someone at prefix who will do it for me. If not I guess I'll live with it.

[kdaviper]

ACR is running 1:56.7 at VIR currently. Unsure if it's extreme car or not. I would guess it is

I believe that was a journalist's time, under SRT's instructions of leaving some on the table.

[XSnake]

I believe that was a journalist's time, under SRT's instructions of leaving some on the table.

That was Chris Winklers time, he's not a journalist. He's an SRT engineer

[allans]

Note to myself : My wife dont want me to have an ACR, my neighbors dont want me to have an ACR, my doctor dont want me to have an ACR, my insurance agent dont want me to have an ACR, the local cop dont want me to have an ACR, my Track buddies dont want me to have an ACR ......

So when does your car arrive ? Best, Allan

[allans]

Easily

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The ViperExchange GT3-R is running 1:46's. SRT threw a new ACR into the mix, it's running 56's currently.

I believe a 56 is right on the track record ( In this configuration ) for a production car and I think that was an 800HP GTR driven by a very experienced VCA Driver.( We'll have to verify) Best, Allan

[XSnake]

I believe a 56 is right on the track record ( In this configuration ) for a production car and I think that was an 800HP GTR driven by a very experienced VCA Driver.( We'll have to verify) Best, Allan

When did Nissan make an 800hp GTR?

[v10enomous]

I just found out that if you get the dual white stripes they paint the wing body color which is really a bummer. I can't see why they would ever paint over all that carbon. I'm trying to figure out how to get the gts-r blue and white stripe with a exposed carbon wing.


That's who I've been talking to, he said it takes a act of god to get them to change anything. Hopefully I can talk to someone at prefix who will do it for me. If not I guess I'll live with it.


I guess you'll just have to tough it out:)

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/njvipermail/acrback_zpskkgzg9tv.jpg

[VENOM V]

I guess you'll just have to tough it out:)

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/njvipermail/acrback_zpskkgzg9tv.jpg

I dig the stripes over the wing but it would be cool if they left the rest of the carbon exposed

[01sapphirebob]

I guess you'll just have to tough it out:)

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/njvipermail/acrback_zpskkgzg9tv.jpg

Drool...
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t558/weilandfrk/homer-simpson-drooling%20a_zpsfyuujc4j.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/weilandfrk/media/homer-simpson-drooling%20a_zpsfyuujc4j.jpg.html)

[Rapidrezults]

It makes no sense that they can paint the red drivers stripe through the carbon fiber wing but can't paint a few stripes through it? I'm sure you can make it happen.

[09 ACR]

As Bruce has stated I have run VIR a lot in my 09 ACR my best lap was a 1:57 on R6's. Work has got in the way from get to VIR this summer. I have been there twice with the TA car i was running 1:58's lap after lap. I am sure I can run 1:57s these are recorded with AiM solo DL. running 1:56.7 with the new ACR to me seems a little off. I would have wanted to see 1:55's.

[Schen]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure there are other cars on track during the Ultimate Track Car Challenge. There was last year.

--RS

[VENOM V]

Drool...
http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t558/weilandfrk/homer-simpson-drooling%20a_zpsfyuujc4j.jpg (http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/weilandfrk/media/homer-simpson-drooling%20a_zpsfyuujc4j.jpg.html)

Haha, agreed. You cannot go wrong with that combo

[Simms]

Fantastic reviews.

All the color combos look great to me! I'd have a hard time deciding if I was in the position to get one.

[KB Viper]

hot dam i want one of these. i use my gen 5 as a DD now, could i pull off a ACR DD????

[VENOM V]

hot dam i want one of these. i use my gen 5 as a DD now, could i pull off a ACR DD????

As much as I love the ACR, not sure if I'd do a DD with its stiff suspension. Your snake is perfect for that now. You could add TA 2.0 aero to your existing machine. If you want to track it often, then the ACR nails it.

[Whitey]

Then of course, there is the ViperExchange Gen V Active Suspension Package!

Go for it KB. What about a GTC?

An Extreme on the street would be great "marketing" for the track and potentially more overall orders.



As much as I love the ACR, not sure if I'd do a DD with its stiff suspension. Your snake is perfect for that now. You could add TA 2.0 aero to your existing machine. If you want to track it often, then the ACR nails it.

[XSnake]

As Bruce has stated I have run VIR a lot in my 09 ACR my best lap was a 1:57 on R6's. Work has got in the way from get to VIR this summer. I have been there twice with the TA car i was running 1:58's lap after lap. I am sure I can run 1:57s these are recorded with AiM solo DL. running 1:56.7 with the new ACR to me seems a little off. I would have wanted to see 1:55's.

What are your other mods besides Hoosiers?

[09 ACR]

Brake pads Carbotech I have PFC now they seem to be the same as the carbotechs

[brianmakse]

I guess you'll just have to tough it out:)

http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/njvipermail/acrback_zpskkgzg9tv.jpg

Nice photo. Oh, wait. That's a screen grab of my video!

[brianmakse]

Just happened to be checking the news feed and found these. For all you clamoring to see the first words written about this beast....here you go:

http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/first-drive-2016-dodge-viper-acr-is-a-645-horsepower-monster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

Thanks for reading and watching our work, all. We hustled to get our video done, particularly for you blokes, the Viper faithful.

If you have any specific questions, let me know.

[VENOM V]

Thanks for reading and watching our work, all. We hustled to get our video done, particularly for you blokes, the Viper faithful.

If you have any specific questions, let me know.

Brian, great read and very entertaining! Do you find the ACR's stiffer suspension make the car any more difficult to drive near the limit than the TA? I feel very comfortable with my GTS at the limit, very predictable on corner entry and stable on exit. If the ass end steps out, I don't have near the drama that I do in my stiffly sprung Mustang race car.

And just for fun, based on seeing these beasts in person, do you have a favorite color scheme?

UPDATE: Finally got on wifi so I could see your vid. My question is answered, sounds like it's very well balanced at the limit, cannot wait to wring it out on the great tracks of NorCal. Brian, your passion comes through in this vid. It's great to have a true car guy and track rat among the automotive journalist community. Keep up the great work!

[Darius]

Thanks for reading and watching our work, all. We hustled to get our video done, particularly for you blokes, the Viper faithful.

If you have any specific questions, let me know.

Can you please stop making these videos they are costing me a lot of money!! jk I watched your TA video 100 times, then I bought one. Now I'm looking forward to getting a ACR and that gts-r blue has caught my eye. Is that the one you thought looked the best out of the ones at the test day?

[Rapidrezults]

Thanks for reading and watching our work, all. We hustled to get our video done, particularly for you blokes, the Viper faithful.

If you have any specific questions, let me know.


Brian,

Thank you for the hustle to be one of the first to get the reviews up. I must say I slept like a baby on Thursday night after reading your review. It's not everyday us Viper faithful put deposits down on 140k+ cars without reading a single real world review, and now I think we can all rejoice in relief. LOL

As always, I love your reviews and your refreshing take on the Viper. I think the suspension dynamics and predictability have been well answered for me, however, the one question I have is on the new braking system. I understand they are vastly improved over the 4 piston iron setups in terms of bite, but how did you find the modulation on turn in? Did it have more of an on/off feel or did it have a level of linearity that you found pleasing? There has been so much internet banter about the performance of CCBs for a dedicated track car application it would be nice to get your take.

And last but not least, when are you going to put your deposit down on your very own ACR? :drive:

[ddominator1]

Love it!! Wing somehow just looks too outrageous to me. Ill,stick w my 2.0 aero.

[Rapidrezults]

Love it!! Wing somehow just looks too outrageous to me. Ill,stick w my 2.0 aero.

Go big or go home!!! J/K. I'm in the same boat but I'm learning to love it the more I see it.

[Eachey51]

Go big or go home!!! J/K. I'm in the same boat but I'm learning to love it the more I see it.

I thought the same the first few pictures i saw, but i think in person it will be wicked!

[100]

Just happened to be checking the news feed and found these. For all you clamoring to see the first words written about this beast....here you go:


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/17/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

http://www.autofocus.ca/news-events/features/first-drive-2016-dodge-viper-acr-is-a-645-horsepower-monster

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-review

Updated:

New ones as mentioned in the thread compiled here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1507_2016_dodge_viper_acr_first_drive_review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DqGmjqTp0

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/features/a26113/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/07/review-2016-viper-acr/

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1507-2016-dodge-viper-acr-review/

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-what-is-it-124330658112.html

http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/dodge/acr/first-drive

Thanks for putting it together Rapid.11907

[lochnessmonster]

Is there a doctor in the house? Because my jaw hit the floor when I read Randy's review! I am sooooooo loving this. Way to go SRT. Finally some positive reviews. That car is simply awesome.

[ACRucrazy]

Some more videos:

Music with some pics I haven't seen before. Some of them were interesting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF1_urwFshE

12 mins of lapping at VIR, may want to fast forward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmQ2-Wh5O4

Another VIR view


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLd1AqnS5w4

[Viktimize]

Someone on instagram mentioned a 1:42 lap time. I asked for clarification or where they might have read that, but no response. Anyone else hear anything? That sounds too good to be true.

[XSnake]

Someone on instagram mentioned a 1:42 lap time. I asked for clarification or where they might have read that, but no response. Anyone else hear anything? That sounds too good to be true.

lol, 1:42 would be faster than the GT3-R.

[allans]

When did Nissan make an 800hp GTR?

Obviously not stock. Also full track set up.

[brianmakse]

Brian, great read and very entertaining! Do you find the ACR's stiffer suspension make the car any more difficult to drive near the limit than the TA? I feel very comfortable with my GTS at the limit, very predictable on corner entry and stable on exit. If the ass end steps out, I don't have near the drama that I do in my stiffly sprung Mustang race car.

And just for fun, based on seeing these beasts in person, do you have a favorite color scheme?

UPDATE: Finally got on wifi so I could see your vid. My question is answered, sounds like it's very well balanced at the limit, cannot wait to wring it out on the great tracks of NorCal. Brian, your passion comes through in this vid. It's great to have a true car guy and track rat among the automotive journalist community. Keep up the great work!

Thank you!

Glad you got to see the vid. The ACR has epic aero grip, and even the mechanical grip is amazing, but the real trick to all of it is the dampers, IMO. The chassis still has great feedback, so it's relatively easy to stay on top of the ACR. For anyone with a touch of experience, it's easy to drive. And it's a blast. I'm still dreaming about that car and I'm ridiculously fortunate to have the opportunity to drive it like that. The Viper guys make my job way too easy and way too much fun.

There is so much aero grip that I wasn't able to play with the limits above maybe 80 mph. Between shooting and getting back up to speed at VIR, there just wasn't enough time for me to explore high speed limits. Work first, play second, I guess. The ACR just sticks at high speed. The aero is mega.

For colour, I'd go 1 of 1 on that - and I'm keeping that colour combo to myself! I did like our blue/white car we used for the static shots.

You're gonna love it!

[brianmakse]

Can you please stop making these videos they are costing me a lot of money!! jk I watched your TA video 100 times, then I bought one. Now I'm looking forward to getting a ACR and that gts-r blue has caught my eye. Is that the one you thought looked the best out of the ones at the test day?

Ha ha! I won't quit! It's my job!

Yes, I really did like that blue, looks stunning and totally appropriate, though I could be persuaded with red. Still, I'd do a 1 of 1 colour combination, exterior only.

[brianmakse]

Brian,

Thank you for the hustle to be one of the first to get the reviews up. I must say I slept like a baby on Thursday night after reading your review. It's not everyday us Viper faithful put deposits down on 140k+ cars without reading a single real world review, and now I think we can all rejoice in relief. LOL

As always, I love your reviews and your refreshing take on the Viper. I think the suspension dynamics and predictability have been well answered for me, however, the one question I have is on the new braking system. I understand they are vastly improved over the 4 piston iron setups in terms of bite, but how did you find the modulation on turn in? Did it have more of an on/off feel or did it have a level of linearity that you found pleasing? There has been so much internet banter about the performance of CCBs for a dedicated track car application it would be nice to get your take.

And last but not least, when are you going to put your deposit down on your very own ACR? :drive:

Thank you! And Nick and I appreciate it. We hustled to get the review and video done as quickly as humanly possible.

Great question. First, as a racing driver, it seems that I'm naturally hypersensitive when it comes to braking. Second, I'm a trail braker by nature, particularly when it comes to road cars. Since these ACRs were set up for a bunch of ham fisted journalists to chug around VIR, trail braking was the name of the game. You can set yours up a bit more aggressively, but power, feel, and modulation are at a different level with these carbon ceramics. Epic, epic braking power, as well. It blew me away. I thought I was mega deep into the pedal - negative Gs threw me into the seat belt - but still didn't even get into the ABS. Wicked stuff.

To me, it seemed perfectly natural to bleed off brake pressure after turn in. No surprises anywhere on the circuit. Feel was great and there's more than enough precision in the pedal feel. I drove all four cars they had available and every pedal felt identical, which was excellent IMO.

Hope that makes sense.

[darbgnik]

Thank you! And Nick and I appreciate it. We hustled to get the review and video done as quickly as humanly possible.

Great question. First, as a racing driver, it seems that I'm naturally hypersensitive when it comes to braking. Second, I'm a trail braker by nature, particularly when it comes to road cars. Since these ACRs were set up for a bunch of ham fisted journalists to chug around VIR, trail braking was the name of the game. You can set yours up a bit more aggressively, but power, feel, and modulation are at a different level with these carbon ceramics. Epic, epic braking power, as well. It blew me away. I thought I was mega deep into the pedal - negative Gs threw me into the seat belt - but still didn't even get into the ABS. Wicked stuff.

To me, it seemed perfectly natural to bleed off brake pressure after turn in. No surprises anywhere on the circuit. Feel was great and there's more than enough precision in the pedal feel. I drove all four cars they had available and every pedal felt identical, which was excellent IMO.

Hope that makes sense.

Great review of the carbon brakes of the ACR, not every cars' carbon brakes have the feel and modulation, to match the fade resistance. Happy to see Dodge's late entry into the carbon brakes game was worth the wait.

[ViperSmith]

Brian, did you get any ither impressions from Randy beyond what he wrote?

Enjoyed your video and writeup. You do a fantastic job.

[brianmakse]

Great review of the carbon brakes of the ACR, not every cars' carbon brakes have the feel and modulation, to match the fade resistance. Happy to see Dodge's late entry into the carbon brakes game was worth the wait.

You're absolutely right there. I whinge about bad carbon ceramics frequently and finally got to an understanding after speaking to Aston Martin's engineers. I asked why their's were so good compared to other mfrs and it turns out that have a small team that's entirely concerned with brake performance from the human standpoint.

SRT is the same kind of operation. A small bunch of engineers who actually get it, so I'm not surprised that the CCBs are awesome in the ACR.

[brianmakse]

Brian, did you get any ither impressions from Randy beyond what he wrote?

Enjoyed your video and writeup. You do a fantastic job.

Thanks! I appreciate it and I'm always trying to improve my game. I'm not a naturally talented writer, so it takes a bit of work for me. One day I'll be able to crank out prose like the pros. Credit for the video all goes to my partner in the series, Nick Busato. He's a wicked talented motorsports photographer (look him up!) who has somehow decided he can tolerate working with me to make pretty car videos.

I was on a different wave than Randy and only saw him across the room at dinner one night. I drove the first day, Randy the second. Don't forget that Andy Lally was there for Jalopnik. I'm interested in what Andy has to say.

[Rapidrezults]

Yet another glowing review. This one from wired.com of all places. Some quotes:


"The stiff-armed truculence commonly associated with Vipers has been replaced by fingertip precision. Grinning behind my mirrored visor, I open the throttle the rest of the way as we head up the hill, entering the final right-hand curve with enough drift angle to make a Hollywood stunt director nod in appreciation. It’s just so right. It’s what I thought race cars would be like before I drove them and learned they are lashed-up nightmares with sharp edges all over the interior. The ACR does whatever I want it to do, period, point-blank."


"Through the sharp-cornered inner loop, the Viper changes direction with the ease of the best small two-seaters. Just stomp the brake and turn; if you’ve pushed too far the back end is trivially easy to catch. The intimidation that was part and parcel of the old-school Viper experience is gone, replaced with what feels like the ability to violate the laws of physics with the same ease that the V-10 violates the laws of traffic."

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/117500-viper-acr-thats-steal/

[I Bin Therbefor]

The articles are the result of the radical difference between providing well prepared cars and turning the motoring press loose on cars that haven't completed development and whose chassis isn't even properly aligned?

[Viktimize]

lol, 1:42 would be faster than the GT3-R.

Yes that is exactly what I said on Instagram when asking about it to the guy that posted it. Still no reply. But what I was wondering is if it was supposed to be a 1:52? That is a believable but also good time.



Obviously not stock. Also full track set up.

Which means it isn't a production car like mentioned. That's why MTGTS was asking.

[Russ Oasis]

Guys,
For clarification, on Hoosier slicks (not as sticky at Pirelli or Michelin slicks) a properly set up comp coupe (World Challenge spec) turns a 1:55 or so on the full course. A well prepared and modified comp coupe with 800 hp, traction control and a sequential, can make it through in about 1:52 (again on Hoosiers). That should give you an idea of what it would mean if a stock ACR could ever turn a 1:56 or under on the full course. You'd be into the professionally set up Viper Comp Coupe arena, right off the showroom floor. I've driven VIR extensively. The best I've squeezed out on Pirellis in my comp coupe is a 1:54.1

[Bruce H.]

Hi Brian,

It was a pleasure meeting you today at Mosport with our club and discussing your testing of the ACR. I was both surprised and pleased that when asked what you liked the most about the ACR you said the suspension first, and CCB's were second I believe. I asked if you thought the dampers and springs would be compliant enough for limited street use, and many here will be delighted to hear that you think it would be, but you warned of the limited ground clearance. I was hoping for my own needs that the removable splitter and diffuser might somehow fit into the trunk to allow driving the car to the track and back, but you said they wouldn't fit. That's helpful information for those on the fence between a TA and an ACR, and we all very much appreciated your insight and honestly.

A high performance car that is as capable as the Viper can not be properly tested and reviewed by many of the automotive journalists who will try, and we're fortunate to have someone with your Viper and racing background present a qualified review. Thanks again.

Bruce

[allans]

Yes that is exactly what I said on Instagram when asking about it to the guy that posted it. Still no reply. But what I was wondering is if it was supposed to be a 1:52? That is a believable but also good time.




Which means it isn't a production car like mentioned. That's why MTGTS was asking.

Thank you for your insight. Best, Allan

[TrackAire]

Guys,
For clarification, on Hoosier slicks (not as sticky at Pirelli or Michelin slicks) a properly set up comp coupe (World Challenge spec) turns a 1:55 or so on the full course. A well prepared and modified comp coupe with 800 hp, traction control and a sequential, can make it through in about 1:52 (again on Hoosiers). That should give you an idea of what it would mean if a stock ACR could ever turn a 1:56 or less on the full course. You'd be into the professionally set up Viper Comp Coupe arena, right off the showroom floor. I've driven VIR extensively. The best I've squeezed out on Pirellis in my comp coupe is a 1:54.1


Russ,

I've not driven VIR yet (on the bucket list), so I've got a couple of questions you might be able to answer. I guess there are a couple of different configurations, is that correct?...also, IIRC VIR was repaved making the track faster since the repave. If this is true, we almost need two sets of time, before and after the repave so we can really compare car vs car.

The times you quoted, were they before or after the repave? I'm trying to get a handle on what would be a relevant time after the repave. I'm starting to get the gut feeling that the new ACR Extreme Aero may be the fastest production car out there ever, even faster than the Porsche 918 and Mac P1 if it ever tries for a time.

Thanks in advance,
George

[Viktimize]

Even if these cars like P1 and Laferrari can run comparable times for one lap. How do those cars stack up on multiple laps? Do these half battery powered cars tend to slow down over multiple lap hard use?

[Eachey51]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-if-it-was-snake-it-wouldve-bit-ya
This one just out!

[Crotalidae]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-if-it-was-snake-it-wouldve-bit-ya
This one just out!

Nice read...

[VENOM V]

Even if these cars like P1 and Laferrari can run comparable times for one lap. How do those cars stack up on multiple laps? Do these half battery powered cars tend to slow down over multiple lap hard use?

Yes, the Porsche 918 lost it's juice on lap 3 at Laguna Seca. The hybrids are good for maybe 3 laps, as is the C7 Z06. I think the popular track cars of this era will be the Viper, the Mustang GT-350, Porsche GT3, and the Camaro Z/28 (both current gen upcoming next gen). I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that look to be truly track capable and relatively reliable, don't overheat, blow up or run out of juice within a handful of laps. Sad that the C7 Vette didn't make the cut, but maybe they'll improve it's track worthiness.

[99RT10]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2016-dodge-viper-acr-first-drive-if-it-was-snake-it-wouldve-bit-ya


:drive:

[brianmakse]

Hi Brian,

It was a pleasure meeting you today at Mosport with our club and discussing your testing of the ACR. I was both surprised and pleased that when asked what you liked the most about the ACR you said the suspension first, and CCB's were second I believe. I asked if you thought the dampers and springs would be compliant enough for limited street use, and many here will be delighted to hear that you think it would be, but you warned of the limited ground clearance. I was hoping for my own needs that the removable splitter and diffuser might somehow fit into the trunk to allow driving the car to the track and back, but you said they wouldn't fit. That's helpful information for those on the fence between a TA and an ACR, and we all very much appreciated your insight and honestly.

A high performance car that is as capable as the Viper can not be properly tested and reviewed by many of the automotive journalists who will try, and we're fortunate to have someone with your Viper and racing background present a qualified review. Thanks again.

Bruce

Hi Bruce,

The pleasure was mine! I guess you could always get a roof rack...it's not like that hasn't been done before. Next time you'll have to take me for a lap or two!

Brian

[Bill Pemberton]

Brian ,

Really enjoyed the Video, like so many others and having tracked these machines since 1999, it was a pleasure to get quick feedback from someone who not only gets it , but realizes what a surprising car the new ACR is --- right out of the box. Those that spend time on the track , also realize, that given a year or so of guys fine tuning the Extreme , the times will come down even farther. I have to admit , letting loose a bunch of journalists at VIR showed a lot of confidence from Dodge and they are to be commended. Fun track, but as you observed , not always one that is forgiving and fantastic to see and hear your laps. Keep it up and don't stop posting!

[Russ Oasis]

Russ,

I've not driven VIR yet (on the bucket list), so I've got a couple of questions you might be able to answer. I guess there are a couple of different configurations, is that correct?...also, IIRC VIR was repaved making the track faster since the repave. If this is true, we almost need two sets of time, before and after the repave so we can really compare car vs car.

The times you quoted, were they before or after the repave? I'm trying to get a handle on what would be a relevant time after the repave. I'm starting to get the gut feeling that the new ACR Extreme Aero may be the fastest production car out there ever, even faster than the Porsche 918 and Mac P1 if it ever tries for a time.

Thanks in advance,
George

George,
Yes, they repaved VIR and yes, it did make a bit of a difference, however, tires make more of a difference than the re-pave. The 1:54.1 I did was on Pirelli tires and the OLD pavement. The 1:56 was on Hoosiers on the new pavement. The heat of the day as well as humidity and how recently it had rained, can all make a difference in the grip. If a new ACR, right off the showroom floor, can match a well set up Comp Coupe, I would say that's quite an accomplishment. It would be awesome.

[Rapidrezults]

The much anticipated Jalopnik / Andy Lally review is in.

If this video doesn't make you want to book your next track day, I don't know what will!

Awesome Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAHMcRLBGo


Published Review:

http://jalopnik.com/2016-dodge-viper-acr-the-unscripted-racer-review-1719237409

[Rapidrezults]

Guys, I am almost certain there is an ACR-X in development. I have seen numerous, and I mean numerous references to it and I think this quote just seals the deal.


"Maybe a good evolution to the rumored ACR-X that may or may not already be testing? Did I type that out loud?"

[Bruce H.]

The much anticipated Jalopnik / Andy Lally review is in.

If this video doesn't make you want to book your next track day, I don't know what will!

Awesome Video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAHMcRLBGo


Published Review:

http://jalopnik.com/2016-dodge-viper-acr-the-unscripted-racer-review-1719237409

You were right!

[Darius]

That was a great review!

[XSnake]

Guys, I am almost certain there is an ACR-X in development. I have seen numerous, and I mean numerous references to it and I think this quote just seals the deal.

There is which means I'll finally want a Gen 5. FML, I better start saving my pennies.

[TrackAire]

That was a great video and review.

Can somebody answer this?,.... when removing the fender vents over the front tires less lift, you actually remove the "finned" cover entirely exposing the top of the tire? I couldn't figure out what I was looking at in Andy's video at first. Now that is extreme.

[Bill Pemberton]

I am completely cracking up as Andy Lally has listed on this video , World's Fastest Vegan Driver. Randy Pobst is also a vegan, so pretty funny they seem to be smack talking each other a bit in this area. Great reviews from both, which is cool , since Lally is a GM contract driver and Randy has not always been a fan of the Snake. Of course Randy could just come back and give Andy is due, and say, " Sure he is a fast Vegan driver, but I am the fastest Vegetarian ,ha,ha!"

[Rapidrezults]

That was a great video and review.

Can somebody answer this?,.... when removing the fender vents over the front tires less lift, you actually remove the "finned" cover entirely exposing the top of the tire? I couldn't figure out what I was looking at in Andy's video at first. Now that is extreme.

Yup, you remove it entirely.

I found this picture last night, with the sun creeping through the hole in the fender...this is one of my favorite pics! Can you say BADASS?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm163/rapidrezults/ACR-GTSRBlue_zpslgcdg4me.jpg

[ACRucrazy]

That video was great! He belongs on Top Gear or something.. Andy cracked me up.

[kdaviper]

Dodge should have a press shootout. each magazine brings its own driver, the fastest lap wins!

[repiV]

Dodge should have a press shootout. each magazine brings its own driver, the fastest lap wins!

Yea....having the slowest lap win would just be silly!! :-) Sorry....couldn't resist...

That video was awesome!! I need to quit reading the Gen5 forum!

[brianmakse]

Brian ,

Really enjoyed the Video, like so many others and having tracked these machines since 1999, it was a pleasure to get quick feedback from someone who not only gets it , but realizes what a surprising car the new ACR is --- right out of the box. Those that spend time on the track , also realize, that given a year or so of guys fine tuning the Extreme , the times will come down even farther. I have to admit , letting loose a bunch of journalists at VIR showed a lot of confidence from Dodge and they are to be commended. Fun track, but as you observed , not always one that is forgiving and fantastic to see and hear your laps. Keep it up and don't stop posting!

Thanks, Bill!

[brianmakse]

Dodge should have a press shootout. each magazine brings its own driver, the fastest lap wins!

I won the last race the auto media "industry" organized back in 2009. These days staff writers are too scared to sign a release accepting responsibility for crash damage.

[1ststrike]

I want one. Now what color?

[allans]

Andy/Randy - Both great Georgia Boys. Of course they're BOTH fast. Been instructed by them both too. Best, Allan Allan

[Rapidrezults]

I want one. Now what color?

Any color you want! #Merica

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm163/rapidrezults/dodge-viper-1-of-1-01-1_zpsswqaobqk.jpg

[donk_316]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.

[commandomatt]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.

Why ?

Because it has huge aero (that can partially be removed for street use) ? Because it doesn't have a big stereo or sound proofing ?

This ACR is a modified Gen V but certainly not to a point where it cant be used outside the track. If you wanted to you could build it as a 1 of 1 and throw anything on it to make it as friendly as you need it. It's just a matter of options

I'm in line and my car will be used on the street 100%

Don't care what you think....I just want to own the baddest street legal car available on the market !

[v10enomous]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.

Who told that to you ?

[Voice of Reason]

I've heard that it's going to be a particularly unforgiving ride on the street as well. Take a look at the pics of the suspension. I don't see the rubber bushings that all other models have. That's going to ride rough and noisy. For track guys it won't matter. But if Joe Schmoe decides to buy this car because he read it's the most bad ass race car he can afford he's going to hate how that translates on the street. Me personally I love it and hope some day to add a gently used one to my garage next to my TA.

[donk_316]

Too low. The splitters will drag. Also was mentioned that the exhaust could drag. The suspension isn't daily driver. No one said shit about stereos or the wing.

I'm off the ACR train and going TA. But honestly good luck to all who street drive their ACR. I mean that. Not being a douche.

[darbgnik]

She's got a height adjustable suspension, could always crank that bitch up like pre-runner! lol

In all honesty, it looks like all the cars are set up pretty slammed, but then again, some guys on here do that to their street cars, could always just raise the ride height up the standard Viper height, remove the splitter extension, should maneuver over speed bumps like a TA then..... well a TA with a cement trucks suspension.

I don't think the TA splitters would make it into my driveway either.

[VENOM V]

Yup, you remove it entirely.

I found this picture last night, with the sun creeping through the hole in the fender...this is one of my favorite pics! Can you say BADASS?

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm163/rapidrezults/ACR-GTSRBlue_zpslgcdg4me.jpg

GTS-R Blue with white GTS stripes is working its magic on me. Must resist changing color schemes again, Paul would not be pleased LOL

[Darius]

GTS-R Blue with white GTS stripes is working its magic on me. Must resist changing color schemes again, Paul would not be pleased LOL

I'm convinced Paul is gonna hate me by the time my car comes. I had the Silver black and red as my original order and changed it to the gts-r blue. I'm not sure the change has gone into affect yet but I have a von and vin # already.

[VENOM V]

Just saw Lally's vid. Nailed it. That's the kind of raw honesty and no holds barred reporting that automotive journalism is sorely missing. No political correctness. No BS. Just straight up track rat talk.

Jalopnik, hire this dude for all your track-worthy car reviews!

[Rapidrezults]

This car looks good in so many damn colors it will drive you nuts! It's a sickness...now I can understand why some of the board members own multiple Gen V's. I am having dreams of owning multiple ACRs in different color schemes. Not good!

[VENOM V]

We are all sick! Haha

[BRACR]

VENOM V.......red w/stripes to orange to blue w/stripes are an interesting set of color moves.......I would have the same problem. Do a 1 of 1 car in Styrker Red.....you know what that's like. Unfortunately, I think that would be a 165,000 dollar car.:smileys-car-driving

[VENOM V]

VENOM V.......red w/stripes to orange to blue w/stripes are an interesting set of color moves.......I would have the same problem. Do a 1 of 1 car in Styrker Red.....you know what that's like. Unfortunately, I think that would be a 165,000 dollar car.:smileys-car-driving

Yes my split personality is showing, haha. I priced the 1 of 1 option and it adds a fair amount to the price. I'm gonna stick with the standard colors, not sure how Stryker Orange made the cut

[Snakebit10]

Haha love that Andy Lally video. He was having so much fun he ran out of gas. That speaks volumes as well as his commentary. Love the positive reviews so far. Im sure once its tested against the Z06, GT3 etc the Negative Nancy's will start to rear their collective ugly heads bring things down a bit as usual.

[XSnake]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.

lol, I've taken my X out on the street. It all depends on your level of craziness. You just have to understand what it is your driving and not expect to float down the highway.

[v10enomous]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.


Let me guess... Corvette forum ?

[Nine Ball]

Was told that the new ACR isn't really like the old one where you could drive it on the street without issue. This new ACR is a bonafide track machine. Not recommended for street driving at all.

You been hanging out with a bunch of pansy liberals? :)

I guarantee my 1970 Chevelle is more archaic and unsafe for daily driving. It won't kill someone to go to cars and coffee in an ACR.

[Trainerdave]

That place is filled with a bunch of Pansy's who are already saying stuff, like the wing looks cheap, etc..., this viper is just a tuner car etc, which is funny, the Z06 is much more a tuner car, with the lt4 basically being an lt1 with forged internals, so they could slap on a cheap blower, and all those tacky plastic tacked on parts, cheap spats so Gm could keep the same front that the base model uses due to the bigger tires, those people are a joke.
I've had vettes, always liked them, but the C7 is just slapped together cheap cooperate garbage, and the owners have now made me not like the car, when my TA gets here, my mission is to hunt the C7, destroy them, humiliate them, that is if I can get those old fart waxers to go at it, which I doubt.

[donk_316]

You guys are way out in left field here... Just saying what was said to me after the ACR test drives.

The old ACR (and yes ACR-X) are a slight upgrade over stock Viper.

The New ACR is a serious track rat. It's not built for the street. It's just not. I know I will most likely track my car maybe 1-2 a year? Maybe... So I'm thinking that the TA might be better for me.

Really appreciate the personal attacks though.

PS. Vettes are for old bald men who insist on wearing a baseball cap in a convertible / targa car.

[IndyRon]

You guys are way out in left field here... Just saying what was said to me after the ACR test drives.

The old ACR (and yes ACR-X) are a slight upgrade over stock Viper.

The New ACR is a serious track rat. It's not built for the street. It's just not. I know I will most likely track my car maybe 1-2 a year? Maybe... So I'm thinking that the TA might be better for me.

Really appreciate the personal attacks though.

PS. Vettes are for old bald men who insist on wearing a baseball cap in a convertible / targa car.

The ACR upgrades on the Gen 4 and 5 are basically the same recipe. The main difference is the Gen 5 gets brakes a well. Both focus on suspension, tires, front/rear downforce. Not sure how the Gen 4 is a slight upgrade but the Gen 5 is a what, major redesign of the car? Both are/will be streetable and driven to Cars and Coffee...I would bet that the Gen 5 ACR will be more streetable and livable than my Gen 4 ACR.

The testers (for the most part) are pansies and used to driving range rovers, Jaguars, and other overweight, heavily insulated sports sedans and coupes and have a very skewed reference frame. You have to understand the Viper owner frame of reference...many more drivers here...even if some of us like our cars to look shiny when going fast on and off track.

You also mentioned the exhaust dragging? The entire exhaust runs inside the frame of the car. I'm not sure how that is even possible?!?
:t89039:

[Bill Pemberton]

Donk,

Appreciate you are an enthusiast , but please think about your comments and realize that the car would not even pass US Vehicle Standards if what you purport is true. No offense, but it must meet all the same regs as other cars and not sure where your information came from, but from some of the Dodge Engineers we know the car is every bit as streetable as Vipers from the past. Chatting with one individual (engineer) he mentioned the new ACR rides as well as the past Gen IV ACR. Keep in mind the infinite adjustment of the shocks , they can be dialed down a bunch and the front splitter will likely not come installed , just like on the past model. Height adjustment is something mentioned one can do with the new Snake, but it will not come lowered for optimal track

[ACR Steve]

Darius- you have a vin# on your extreme?

[ViperDC]

GTS-R Blue with white GTS stripes is working its magic on me. Must resist changing color schemes again, Paul would not be pleased LOL

Stryker Orange > GTS-R blue

[Nine Ball]

The testers (for the most part) are pansies and used to driving range rovers, Jaguars, and other overweight, heavily insulated sports sedans and coupes and have a very skewed reference frame. You have to understand the Viper owner frame of reference...many more drivers here...even if some of us like our cars to look shiny when going fast on and off track.

It would be great if all magazine journalists had to list their current personal cars, as part of their article signature. It would possibly show bias, or manliness, or pansy-ness. Then we'd be better at determining if their opinions are worthwhile.

:)

[Simms]

Hell, if I had a new ACR I'd drive it to a black tie event. But I'm not exactly normal.

[steve911]

You know what? I would do the very same thing. Kinda like bringing in a trophy wife, only this one has wheels.


Hell, if I had a new ACR I'd drive it to a black tie event. But I'm not exactly normal.

[ACRucrazy]

I have driven 10,000 + Miles in my hardcore ACR. Including 2k miles round trip to Detroit for the homecoming, 550 miles to Nebraska for Viper Rendezvous, 200 miles around the track all weekend and 550 miles back home again.

If there was a new Gen V ACR in my garage I would do the same.

[steve911]

Guys, I am almost certain there is an ACR-X in development. I have seen numerous, and I mean numerous references to it and I think this quote just seals the deal.

While I might agree that something a step or higher may be in existance, I would seriously doubt anything would be built for sale after the failed ACR-X program in the past. Chrysler couldnt sell the cars that got built and having a very small spec racing series didnt create much attention either....

[Heysie]

I need to quit reading the Gen5 forum!

:iamwithstupid:
Back to the Gen III/IV forum….

[Bruce H.]

But I'm not exactly normal.

Not sure any of us are!

[Darius]

Darius- you have a vin# on your extreme?

Yes I do. Pm sent

[LeakyGasket]

PS. Vettes are for old bald men who insist on wearing a baseball cap in a convertible / targa car.

You're dead wrong here -- I'm not bald yet.

[BRACR]

That it is streetable is important for me.......I have 46,XXX miles on my 2008 ACR. Plan on doing the same to this Generation.

[VENOM V]

That it is streetable is important for me.......I have 46,XXX miles on my 2008 ACR. Plan on doing the same to this Generation.

Guys, it's as simple as this: Remove the splitter and rear diffuser, and it is as streetable as the earlier gen ACRs.

I know I will be driving this sexy beast on the street on special occasions :t1509:

[ACRucrazy]

Guys, it's as simple as this: Remove the splitter and rear diffuser, and it is streetable as the earlier gen ACRs.

I know I will be driving this sexy beast on the street on special occasions :t1509:

Gen IV ACR
-Big wing, front splitter, removable track extension, bigger sway bars, coilovers, 2 piece rotors, light wheels and street legal race tires, 1 pair of front dive planes. 0-7 speaker basic audio system with optional archaic navigation system, no steering wheel controls of any kind, no cruise control or traction control etc.

Gen V ACR
-Big wing, front splitter, removable track extension, bigger sway bars, coilovers, 2 piece rotors (standard on 1 of 1 package with optional carbon), light wheels and street legal race tires, 2 pair of dive planes, removable rear diffusers, 3-18 speaker audio system, radio controls on the steering wheel, uconnect, bluetooth, 8.4" touch screen navigation, satellite radio, usb ports, cruise control, traction control, auto dimming mirror etc.

I would say a Gen V ACR is more streetable than any Gen 1,2 or 3 Viper LOL. Dare I say any of the 30,000 Vipers made before 2013?

[ViperSmith]

Throw in the VE or MSC suspension changes and I don't see why it wouldn't be livable.

The "ACR" out of the box without sound deadening may not be the most livable, but a GT with the ACR package will be dope.

[99RT10]

I would say a Gen V ACR is more streetable than any Gen 1,2 or 3 Viper LOL. Dare I say any of the 30,000 Vipers made before 2013?

Agreed, and doesn't the 2016 have multiple adjustable shocks from inside the cockpit? Whereas the Gen 4 has to be re-adjusted manually. That would say to me that the 2016 is more steetable than earlier versions.

[darbgnik]

You guys are way out in left field here... Just saying what was said to me after the ACR test drives.

The old ACR (and yes ACR-X) are a slight upgrade over stock Viper.

The New ACR is a serious track rat. It's not built for the street. It's just not. I know I will most likely track my car maybe 1-2 a year? Maybe... So I'm thinking that the TA might be better for me.

Really appreciate the personal attacks though.

PS. Vettes are for old bald men who insist on wearing a baseball cap in a convertible / targa car.

I agree that a TA would probably be better for most people..... especially for only one or two track days a year.

I'm also willing to bet that the new ACR will be very similar in character to the last gen. Noisy, and harsh riding, just like a normal Viper, just more so, lol. The last Gen Viper came with the splitter in the hatch too, that's the only way it could technically be sold as street legal, although most guys, my friends included, installed it right away and left it on.

I'm only guessing here, same as most, that the car will come with a higher ride height than it was presented to the journalists on a racetrack, with the suspension set up for some kind of compliance. In this configuration, I think the car will be more of a test of your tolerance, than the cars street ability. I'm sure it will drive anywhere a normal Viper will, just being stiffer and noisier while doing it.

But then again, it's only my opinion, which is different than most. I think my SRT rides great, and transmits minimal road noise and harshness, even on Alberta's frost heaved highways. But then again I also rock a 70 Charger and a Hummer H1. The Charger has the suspension of a 40 year old truck, and the Hummer with it's 2 and a 1/4 ton suspension rides like a cement mixer on its best day, and I drive that bitch 3000 miles round trip to Moab every September......

Also, for just one or two track days a year, you could also just grab a brand new SRT like I did. I have no trouble showing everyone in my advanced group the tail lights with it............. save for 2 guys, one is a Gen 4 ACR with a pro driver, and another is a race prepped C6 Z06 with a very established driver as well. Could I be faster in a TA? Sure, but my lowly base model gives all the Porches , Ferraris, et al, fits as it is.

[v10enomous]

Sure, but my lowly base model gives all the Porches , Ferraris, et al, fits as it is.


not lowly... quicker and faster in a straight line:)

[Murpowa]

There is which means I'll finally want a Gen 5. FML, I better start saving my pennies.


Guys, I am almost certain there is an ACR-X in development. I have seen numerous, and I mean numerous references to it and I think this quote just seals the deal.

Mother of Dodge. It's hard to imagine how much more radical an X could be over the ACR Extreme

[ACRucrazy]

In watching this video with him going from a standing start in the pits, commentating and carrying a passenger you have to wonder what his lap time was.. Looking at the green guardrail 2:50 or give or take seems like a fair guess no?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAHMcRLBGo

[VENOM V]

In watching this video with him going from a standing start in the pits, commentating and carrying a passenger you have to wonder what his lap time was.. Looking at the green guardrail 2:50 or give or take seems like a fair guess no?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHAHMcRLBGo

That was likely a parade lap. Chris Winkler ran a 1:56.7 in the Ultimate Track Car Challenge, and I have heard rumors that they've gone even faster than that.

[ACRucrazy]

That was not a parade lap by any means. LOL. Just watch it.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia_international_raceway.html



The Tale of the Tape
We've run Lightning Lap eight times now and have 161 lap times from 160 cars (the 2009 Nissan GT-R ran on two different sets of tires) in our database, including 36 that broke the three-minute barrier. You can see them all in the table below, which can be sorted by time, vehicle, and Lightning Lap class. Click the Time, Car, and Class headers to sort by each parameter.


RANK TIME CAR CLASS ISSUE DATE
1 2:43.1 PORSCHE 918 SPYDER LL5 10/14
2 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
3 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
4 2:49.4 NISSAN GT-R NISMO LL4 10/14
5 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
6 2:49.9 FERRARI 458 ITALIA LL4 2/13
7 2:49.9 SRT VIPER TA LL4 10/14
8 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12
9 2:50.8 FERRARI F12BERLINETTA LL5 10/14
10 2:50.9 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z/28 LL3 10/14
11 2:51.2 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 10/14
12 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10
13 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
14 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
15 2:53.2 NISSAN GT-R LL3 2/12
16 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
17 2:53.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE STINGRAY LL2 10/14
18 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
19 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
20 2:55.1 LEXUS LFA LL5 2/13

This is the Grand Course East.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Virginia_International_Raceway_-_Grand_East_Course.svg/800px-Virginia_International_Raceway_-_Grand_East_Course.svg.png


http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2014-complete-ll-times-2006-to-2014-feature


Lap times (130)

Pos Make / Model Time Speed (km/h) Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by
1. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 2:45.63 147 '08 647 / 1530 Jim Mero
2. Mosler MT900S 2:45.90 147 '11 558 / 1174 Car and Driver
3. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 2:48.60 144 '08 608 / 1536 Car and Driver
4. Mosler MT900S Photon 2:49.80 143 '12 558 / 1135 Car and Driver
5. Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.90 143 '09 570 / 1485 Car and Driver
6. Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 2:51.80 142 '10 570 / 1430 Car and Driver
7. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 2:51.80 142 '14 461 / 1577
8. KTM X-Bow 2:52.30 141 '08 241 / 871 Car and Driver
9. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:52.38 141 '12 588 / 1838 Aaron Link
10. Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 140 '11 530 / 1736
11. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 2:53.50 140 '11 512 / 1394 Car and Driver
12. Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 2:53.90 140 '09 670 / 1664 Mark Gillies
13. Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2:54.60 139 '07 510 / 1402 Car and Driver
14. Lexus LFA 2:55.10 139 '10 560 / 1609 Car and Driver
15. Nissan GT-R 2:55.60 139 '08 480 / 1740 Car and Driver
16. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2:55.90 138 '10 450 / 1400 Car and Driver
17. Dodge Viper SRT-10 2:57.40 137 '08 612 / 1567 Car and Driver
18. Porsche 911 Turbo S 2:57.50 137 '10 530 / 1585 Car and Driver
19. Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 2:57.50 137 '12 588 / 1838 Car and Driver
20. Ariel Atom 3 2:57.60 137 '08 300 / 456 Mark Gillies

Grand Course West

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Virginia_International_Raceway_-_Grand_West_Course.svg/800px-Virginia_International_Raceway_-_Grand_West_Course.svg.png


If the new ACR is as good as they saying it is, Grand Course record may fall??? :D

[ViperDC]

I would say a Gen V ACR is more streetable than any Gen 1,2 or 3 Viper LOL. Dare I say any of the 30,000 Vipers made before 2013?

I agree with this. Anyone who says the gen V ACR isn't streetable should drive a gen 1 lol

[Bruce H.]

I agree that a TA would probably be better for most people..... especially for only one or two track days a year.

It'll be quite the risk to drive an ACR with Extreme aero installed to and from the track according to Brian Makse, so unfortunately it won't be an option for some track rats :(

[VENOM V]

That was not a parade lap by any means. LOL. Just watch it.
This is the Grand Course.

If the new ACR is as good as they saying it is, Grand Course record may fall??? :D

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't realize they ran a different course for this test.

[ACRucrazy]

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't realize they ran a different course for this test.

Yea I have no experience with VIR but noticed different times being mentioned in different articles over the years and realized they would have to be for the different courses.

[XSnake]

Most track rats have trailers as they are running slicks anyways.

[Rapidrezults]

That was likely a parade lap. Chris Winkler ran a 1:56.7 in the Ultimate Track Car Challenge, and I have heard rumors that they've gone even faster than that.

I think it was definitely a good lap put down by Andy. He even mentions it in the video at the end saying "that's a good lap at VIR and a whole lot of fun"...he was driving the piss out of that thing. I think it's hard to tell in video sometimes but if you watch his hands, he's pushing pretty hard.

[kdaviper]

Most track rats have trailers as they are running slicks anyways.

zip tie them to the spoiler:{)

[Rapidrezults]

I found this a few nights ago and found it interesting. I'm not that familiar with VIR so I can't comment to the validity of what he is saying. This was published before Andy posted his full lap video.


"I’ll Show You What Nobody Else Will About The Viper ACR"
Posted on July 18, 2015 by Jack Baruth

http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3183

[Rapidrezults]

In watching this video with him going from a standing start in the pits, commentating and carrying a passenger you have to wonder what his lap time was.. Looking at the green guardrail 2:50 or give or take seems like a fair guess no?

Jack Baruth seems to disagree. This is his observation of the lap time put down by Andy. I'm not sure if I agree with it though.


By Jack Baruth

Just watched the video. It’s fascinating, but you’ll notice three things:

0. They chose to do it from the end of pit lane instead of from the roll, to prevent making it possible to take a laptime.
1. They cut the video off at least three seconds off before Andy crosses the finish line…
2. and they edit it to skip a few hundred feet, moving the car from BEFORE the paddock garages at the 3:00 mark to 200 feet AFTER the paddock garages at the 3:01 mark. Basically the video “disappears” seven seconds from the lap.

So Andy basically ran a 3:06 from a dig which makes me feel not entirely bad about my laps.

[TheStig]

This new ACR is everything I was hoping for and I can't wait to see the laptimes it puts down!! I think my favorite review so far was the one on wired.com!! Must read!

[ACRucrazy]

Some good catches by Jack. I recall something about 20 people they had out not allowed to post track times and to stay off the curbs. I'd have to think Andy Lally would put down a better time to Jack since he's making comparisons. But really don't care too much, Andy's video was fn hilarious to watch.

I posted Jacks video a few pages back and it looked like the same car as Andy, however I had no idea who was posting the vids on YouTube and what they were for. I did time the lap out to about 3 mins based on the line at the end of the pits.

[Snakebit10]

Was that 1:56 time run while he was also entertaining a passenger, making commentary etc? If so I would think he could go faster in the car by himself and no distractions right? I wouldn't be surprised to hear it ultimately can run a faster than 1:56 time.

[XSnake]

Was that 1:56 time run while he was also entertaining a passenger, making commentary etc? If so I would think he could go faster in the car by himself and no distractions right? I wouldn't be surprised to hear it ultimately can run a faster than 1:56 time.

No, this was run in the UTCC on Friday morning. Not during the press day

[fuggles]

As Bruce has stated I have run VIR a lot in my 09 ACR my best lap was a 1:57 on R6's. Work has got in the way from get to VIR this summer. I have been there twice with the TA car i was running 1:58's lap after lap. I am sure I can run 1:57s these are recorded with AiM solo DL. running 1:56.7 with the new ACR to me seems a little off. I would have wanted to see 1:55's.

Are you running the 09 ACR with the stock diff?

[ACRucrazy]

Jack Baruth seems to disagree. This is his observation of the lap time put down by Andy. I'm not sure if I agree with it though.

Wonder if there is more to this Jack calling out Andy?


http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/videos/a26155/heres-the-new-viper-acr-on-the-limit/


While our Jack Baruth was at VIR driving the car, our friends (and my former employer) Jalopnik sent pro-racer Andy Lally to give them a full review of the ACR on the limit. And while Baruth drove it at the limit for us, Lally's run was on camera.

Here's his fast lap. He was totally on it.

[Rapidrezults]

Wonder if there is more to this Jack calling out Andy?

Most definitely something weird going on here.

[Rapidrezults]

and another video review...this one by KBB. Nice views of the competition blue version.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57rTTpoYY4A

[ACRucrazy]

Driving the Viper ACR on the crowded public roads makes you look and feel like a complete idiot

He belongs in a Porsche apparently.

[Voice of Reason]

He belongs in a Porsche apparently.

I may get flamed but I see his point. The giant aero bits are too much for regular street driving for me. I drive my TA a lot (5,100 miles total or about 1,000 miles a month during driving season in IL) and I wouldn't want the rear wing of the ACR or TA 2.0 for that matter. On the track is a different story but street/track combo duty I consider my TA perfect.

[Rapidrezults]

I may get flamed but I see his point. The giant aero bits are too much for regular street driving for me. I drive my TA a lot (5,100 miles total or about 1,000 miles a month during driving season in IL) and I wouldn't want the rear wing of the ACR or TA 2.0 for that matter. On the track is a different story but street/track combo duty I consider my TA perfect.

I agree, the TA is perfect for street/track duty. I was never a fan of wings, and the more I look at them the more they grow on me. I will be one of the clowns occasionally driving my extreme on the street. I can't wait to see the reactions from people. I'm sure a few snide remarks will make their way to my ear at a stop light. Hahah.... I've already registered the custom plate "DWN FRCE" to have some fun with it.

[ViperSmith]

I may get flamed but I see his point. The giant aero bits are too much for regular street driving for me. I drive my TA a lot (5,100 miles total or about 1,000 miles a month during driving season in IL) and I wouldn't want the rear wing of the ACR or TA 2.0 for that matter. On the track is a different story but street/track combo duty I consider my TA perfect.
I agree, but people act like Porsche doesn't offer its own flavor of insane aero that does nothing for the car other than look preposterous.

People act like this functional aero on the ACR is "out there" in terms of styling but in reality isn't bad across the automotive landscape.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

I don't see how having an ACR on the street is any more ridiculous than any hummer, lifted truck, hellcat, any other sports car, etc... any car that isn't practical or a "driving appliance" for that matter.

[ACRucrazy]

I don't see how having an ACR on the street is any more ridiculous than any hummer, lifted truck, hellcat, any other sports car, etc... any car that isn't practical or a "driving appliance" for that matter.

ding ding ding.

[BlknBlu]

I would need too many drugs to have a Viper as a daily driver, but love taking them out on nice days and to cruises. Wings and all

Bruce

[Darius]

I don't see how having an ACR on the street is any more ridiculous than any hummer, lifted truck, hellcat, any other sports car, etc... any car that isn't practical or a "driving appliance" for that matter.

I don't think it's the car that makes this guy look like a idiot.
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[darbgnik]

I don't see how having an ACR on the street is any more ridiculous than any hummer, lifted truck, hellcat, any other sports car, etc... any car that isn't practical or a "driving appliance" for that matter.

Agreed, I have an H1, and I love it to death, and take it to Moab every year to use it as it was intended. But that doesn't stop me from driving that old hay wagon around town! At least in the ACR, you wont clog up the on ramps.

[allans]

I agree, the TA is perfect for street/track duty. I was never a fan of wings, and the more I look at them the more they grow on me. I will be one of the clowns occasionally driving my extreme on the street. I can't wait to see the reactions from people. I'm sure a few snide remarks will make their way to my ear at a stop light. Hahah.... I've already registered the custom plate "DWN FRCE" to have some fun with it.

Drop the"W" and ad an "O" "DN FORCE"

[Rapidrezults]

Drop the"W" and ad an "O" "DN FORCE"

Good idea. I tried a million combos and most of them were taken.

[Viktimize]

Good idea. I tried a million combos and most of them were taken.

I would stick with what you had. The lack of vowels makes it perfectly clear what it is supposed to say. Randomness of having a few vowels or consonants missing and some not just makes it confusing to most people.

[JackBaruth]

Hey guys,

Just stepping in for a moment --- I saw some inbound links to my site from this forum. The photo of the blue car with the vents out is mine --- it's meant to show the three different aero packages (TA, TA 2.0, and ACR) together, if you look you can see all three spoilers.

I wrote the R&T, TTAC, and Wired reviews of the ACR; I've also written about various other Vipers from about the year 2010 forward.

Re: videos and times. R&T used Andy's video and not mine because my videos (the grey door video and red overhead video linked earlier in the thread) are a single GoPro without any commentary, external microphones. I use those videos when I'm writing the reviews to remind me of how the car behaved in certain turns. They're not really consumer-friendly videos. Very few people have the patience nowadays to watch a single-perspective lap of a track, and most of those people have SCCA memberships, y'know?

I took five three-lap sessions in the cars, only the middle of each lap permitted to be at pace, with an instruction not to smack curbs or raise any dust. Andy had the luxury of a full camera crew and an exclusive session after the regular lapping was done. Brian Makse, my friend and fellow NASA racer, also took a video session for his outstanding video. Basically the way it worked was that if you had a camera crew with you, they let you have extra time because they understand how video-focused people are now.

All laps were on VIR Grand. We were not permitted to run through the cutout and set a VIR Full laptime.

I'm not happy with my laptime (best I could manage was a 2:56) and after watching Andy's video I don't think he was any faster. It's worth noting that I caught other journalists almost every time I was out on track, and I didn't see anybody else turning anything faster. I think the reasons can be summed up as:

* curb restriction
* instructors in the car
* very conservative aero and damper setup
* maybe 30 heat cycles for each set of tires being used --- they were being used dozens of times in a row for different drivers
* the knowledge that if you raised dust you'd probably be sat down for the rest of the day

If anybody has any questions about the cars, the event, or the way the vehicles behaved, feel free to ask in this thread.

And just as a matter of personal opinion: the only reason I'm not already in the order books is because I'm poor enough to have to choose between racing a Neon ACR on a regular basis and *owning* a Viper ACR :) If something happened to curtail my racing, like another injury, I'd probably choose a Viper ACR 1-of-1 without too much hesitation.

[ACR Steve]

Very nice Jack :)

[sammyv]

Thanks for the post Jack!

[Rapidrezults]

Jack,

Thanks for posting clarification. I really, really liked your Wired review! Your picture of the GTS-R blue was IMO one of the best pics out!

[zoomzoom22]

Guys,
For clarification, on Hoosier slicks (not as sticky at Pirelli or Michelin slicks) a properly set up comp coupe (World Challenge spec) turns a 1:55 or so on the full course. A well prepared and modified comp coupe with 800 hp, traction control and a sequential, can make it through in about 1:52 (again on Hoosiers). That should give you an idea of what it would mean if a stock ACR could ever turn a 1:56 or under on the full course. You'd be into the professionally set up Viper Comp Coupe arena, right off the showroom floor. I've driven VIR extensively. The best I've squeezed out on Pirellis in my comp coupe is a 1:54.1

Curious weather when you ran 154.1 in the comp coupe?
We ran 154 flats in our ACRX at VIR on BFG DOT's which had to be 1-1.5 secs slower than slicks. This was in late April at VIR last year. This year 155's, was hotter for sure.

Dying to see what a new ACR does so I can decide whether to get one.

[LABrit]

Any more vids? Can't find many that aren't from the press days!