Black Viper TA build

[GTSilver]

A brief background before going into the details of this thread. I recently joined this forum after the news came out about the new gen v viper acr. After reading all the info i could gather and spoke to both Bill from Woodhouse and Bernie from Viperexchange about the viper acr a couple of months back. Both gave me great feedback and answered all of my questions and inquiries and imho these kind of people and dealerships are an asset for the viper community.

However, after acknowledging the fact that for any new purchase the car should stay for a period between 6-9 state side before exporting it, and I'm not lucky to have a knowledgable dealer here to order the car as most if not all cars in our part of the world is through importing from the states. Thus will incur more cost due to taxes and storage etc. Not to mention that i already have another track car and not even considering selling at all so the idea of an acr or another track car is out of the question. As i don't think its worth it to buy an acr and not track it.

After taking the acr out of the equation i still had the need to get a viper as i still miss my old gen 3 viper which unfortunately was totalled due to street racing and reckless driving from my side which i didn't enjoy for long. This was about 8 years ago which by then i became more into road racing and a better driver. So I thought I should get a gen v and enjoy it and maybe the occasional track day (3-4 days a year). I decided to look for a viper ta as i think dodge nailed it to be a little more track oriented than both the gts and srt and still could be enjoyed on the streets.

After a couple of weeks looking a found the right viper ta in black the same colour as my previous gen 3. Everything is sorted just waiting for the paperwork to be received back to the dealer and for Reliable carriers to pick up the car.

Couple of pictures of the car.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/Viper%204_zps2beoocnu.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/Viper%204_zps2beoocnu.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/Viper%202_zpsokrkzbyt.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/Viper%202_zpsokrkzbyt.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/Viper%203_zpsk7x8zbw5.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/Viper%203_zpsk7x8zbw5.jpg.html)

Now to the build.

Reliable carriers will ship the car from the dealership to Andrew Wheeler at viper exchange for Arrow stage 2 H/C package in the next couple of weeks. At first i was just considering a headers and exhaust with arrow pcm and ship it back to home. But after reading all the info provided and the people involved in this kit and also the many emails and calls to Andy i decided to go ahead with it. My reasons behind my decision was that this kit has extensive testing on the mule car (more than 10,000 miles) and both the 2 cars that had the kit ran without any issues. Yes it may be a little overpriced but the r/d in this kit and the dedication for this kit is beyond any vendor would do. The way i see it is that its like if it is a factory offering.

On my old gen 3 viper i had belanger headers and exhaust and really loved it and was planning to get the same for my ta but this was back in 2006 i guess, so i searched what new offerings there are in the viper world. I came across Bad Boyz Garage, Toddy Gomez. His involvement in the acr-x headers and a 5-into-1 headers was just astonishing. A good friend of mine that used to live in California with a gen 4 coupe ssg with black stripes gave me great feedback about his garage and Toddy personally and that he took care of his car and had his mods done at his garage. When i searched the forums i didn't see much info but came across a thread in the gen3/4 for a blue/black acr with BBG Shorty headers and his feedback about them was great and also numerous calls and emails with Toddy got me convinced to go ahead with BBG Shorty headers. Me and Toddy both decided to get the headers coated at JET HOT as it helps with the heat and also the temperatures here are ridiculous ( today was 51 Celsius). A Corsa exhaust will compliment the headers. After the headers get coated they will get shipped with the exhaust directly to Andy so he can fit them with the H/C package.

Pictures of my BBG Shorty headers.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%206_zpsvdqndmwb.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%206_zpsvdqndmwb.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%203_zpsgjfhwa1k.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%203_zpsgjfhwa1k.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%202_zps2eoey1nv.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%202_zps2eoey1nv.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%205_zpssomg6oeq.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%205_zpssomg6oeq.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%208_zpssw7atcer.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%208_zpssw7atcer.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%207_zpsltpnmfvh.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%207_zpsltpnmfvh.jpg.html)


I think they look like a piece of art and i just want to put them in my living room !!

While reading and searching in the forums i have noticed that IAT makes a huge difference on the viper and living in a hot country this is something vital. I came across Doug Shelby heat shield and with his findings and from everyone on the forum noticing the difference its a no brainer. I wanted to order a kit but states that they will ship out 10 of August. However i came across a thread for a new heat shield for sale with other parts that i'm looking for, Ipsco pulley and belt and also SS brake lines. It was a quick simple transaction with forum member Victxv10 and got them shipped to Andy so he can install them whenever the car and other parts get to him.

This is so far what I've got with for now, although i would love to find a catch can kit for the car and also a couple of accessories and most probably new tires which I think I'll get them from JonB.

I'll update this thread as time passes and how things move along and also with any new additions to what have stated above. I'm hoping that both Andy and Toddy as well will do the same also in pictures etc. Expecting the car to be done hopefully by the second week of August if things go to plan. I'll ask if Andy can get me a before and after dyno as well both for me and also for you guys that may be on the fence of the kit.

At the end I would like to thank both Andy from Viperexchange and Toddy from Bad Boyz Garage for all of their support and helping me out with my build. As I'm about halfway around the world. I won't be able to give any driving impression until i get the car which will it'll take 2-3 months to get the car here after its done. Which is perfect as it'll be track season here that time of year with cool weather.

Thanks and sorry for the long post,
Yousif

Update: Car has been shipped on the 24th of July heading to Viper Exchange, video below. It should arrive in the next couple of hours. Hopefully Andy or the crew of Viper exchange could snap some pictures of the car.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PVs2GNTsp0

Update:

Just got these pictures of my headers at Jet Hot from Toddy.

Before getting coated

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20Uncoated_zpsbgswdapl.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20Uncoated_zpsbgswdapl.jpg.html)

During the coating

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20coated%201_zpstsi3jyzk.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20coated%201_zpstsi3jyzk.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20coated%202_zpsrgi0xqs9.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20coated%202_zpsrgi0xqs9.jpg.html)

And the final results

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20Final%20Coating_zpsj0ugwjew.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20Final%20Coating_zpsj0ugwjew.jpg.ht ml)

Its a shame that these beautiful headers won't be shown as much under the hood of our cars !!

They will be shipped in the next couple of days to Andy at Viper Exchange with the Corsa exhaust to add them with the H/C package, heat shield and Ipsco pulley. Hopefully when Andy gets back from his Viper drive in Colorado and closer to the release of the H/C I'll ask him for a before and after dyno pulls.

Thanks
Yousif

Update: Dyno video at page 3
Update: Installation pics at page 3

[ViperSmith]

awesome stuff congrats!

[1ststrike]

I agree it totally looks like a piece of art work! Congrats and good luck when race season starts

[GTSilver]

awesome stuff congrats!

Thanks


I agree it totally looks like a piece of art work! Congrats and good luck when race season starts

Thanks ,too bad they don't show that much under the hood.
Driving it on the track would be different as it'll be the first time in a viper

[genVer]

Thanks for the detailed post; it was some good reading. I look forward to your impressions once you have an opportunity to track it. :thumbsup:

[ViperPete]

Those headers are gorgeous!

Ive never seen fasteners for headers like that before.

[XSTAR]

Very nice!!!

[Rapidrezults]

Nice way to build a TA. Congrats!

[98intrigue]

Sounds like a quality build. You're off to a great start!

[GTSilver]

Thanks for the detailed post; it was some good reading. I look forward to your impressions once you have an opportunity to track it. :thumbsup:

Yes sure i can't wait to track it and compare to my other car, imo a sports car should be driven on a race track where it really shines.


Those headers are gorgeous!

Ive never seen fasteners for headers like that before.

The pictures from that blue/black acr got me convinced with the JET HOT coating.


Very nice!!!

Thanks


Nice way to build a TA. Congrats!

Thank you, i cant wait to get it here.


Sounds like a quality build. You're off to a great start!

Thank you and congrats on your purchase as well. Your drive back will be with you for a long time, i wish i could do the same.

[vegasgtr]

bad ass! car will be a beast.

[USCDOC]

Wow! Congrats! I hope you love it. Can't wait to hear your impression of the build after you drive it

[FLATOUT]

Yousif,

Thank you again for choosing ViperExchange to transform your TA into something truly special. I'm really looking forward to getting the car and getting to work. You have been a pleasure to work with. I'll keep you updated as the build progresses!

Andy

[swexlin]

Damn, that's a hot car. And you know Andy and his team will do it right!

[Gonabite]

Awesome. I can't wait to see if there is a difference in power with these headers over the ARH. Hopefully you will post your dyno graphs so we can compare your before and after numbers. Good luck and enjoy.

[Trainerdave]

What dealer did you pick that up from? Because I just bought black TA #5 from Normandin in San Jose, and am waiting for them to pick up my 99 ACR, so they can send me the TA, Not being able to drive my ACR is driving me nuts and I hate getting rid of such an awesome car, but I love the new tech on the gen V although IMO the Gen 2 will always look the best.
I talked to the owner yesterday and he told me he was getting shipping ready and would call me back, I believe he mentioned the same shipper.

[lmcgrew79]

Is it just hard to see or is there no orange stitching in this one?

[Murpowa]

Car will be a beast! Please keep us updated

[mblgjr]

Would LOVE to see how the BBG headers stack against the ARH units finally....

[ViperGeorge]

Given the heat where you live, I would also install the Doug Shelby Engineering air box heat shield. Maybe put an additional layer of insulation on the shield too.

[98intrigue]

Thank you and congrats on your purchase as well. Your drive back will be with you for a long time, i wish i could do the same.
Thanks, Yousif. It was an unforgettable experience. I plan on making a thread sometime this week to tell my story. I'm looking forward to your build results.


What dealer did you pick that up from? Because I just bought black TA #5 from Normandin in San Jose, and am waiting for them to pick up my 99 ACR, so they can send me the TA, I paid them on the 10th, Got pre approved for a small loan 2 weeks ago, not being able to drive my ACR is driving me nuts and I hate getting rid of such an awesome car.
I talked to the owner yesterday and he told me he was getting shipping ready and would call me back, I believe he mentioned the same shipper.
Congrats on your purchase as well. I was also in contact with them, but wasn't motivated enough to pull the trigger on another black Viper.

[viper_eddie]

You are going to have one badass car once this is all done. Congratulations! And damn I can't imagine 51 Celsius, holy shit!!!

[GTSilver]

bad ass! car will be a beast.

Thanks


Wow! Congrats! I hope you love it. Can't wait to hear your impression of the build after you drive it

Thank you i can't wait to drive it, it'll be the longest 4 months ever

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Yousif,

Thank you again for choosing ViperExchange to transform your TA into something truly special. I'm really looking forward to getting the car and getting to work. You have been a pleasure to work with. I'll keep you updated as the build progresses!

Andy

I really appreciate it Andy, thanks.
Yousif

[GTSilver]

Damn, that's a hot car. And you know Andy and his team will do it right!


Thanks yeah i'm excited about the car and build. For sure Andy and the guys at viper exchange will perform a great job

[GTSilver]

Given the heat where you live, I would also install the Doug Shelby Engineering air box heat shield. Maybe put an additional layer of insulation on the shield too.


I already got it from forum member Victxv10, and yes an additional layer of insulation will help. I'm also thinking of wrapping the corsa exhaust with DEI to keep the heat levels down.

[Crash]

How do the BBG headers compare in price to ARH headers?

[ViperPete]

Got any more pics of those headers?

[ACRucrazy]

How do the BBG headers compare in price to ARH headers?
About 2X the price last I checked

[mblgjr]

Toddy aided in designing the ACR-X/ARH header design from what I understand.

That said, the BBG shorties offer a superior joint as the collector tubes interlock within the flange from some other pics I've seen.

Yes, they're easily 2x the money. Will they make 2x the power? Doubt it. I honestly think you'd need some more compression and another 500-1000RPM on the redline to see the BBG's start making more power up high.

And of course all the Arrow PCM work has been with the ARH headers, a lot to be said for that. I just want to see IF the BBG shorties offer any power superiority to the ARH units. Cost be damned, I just want to see a set dyno'd on a Gen5, LOL.

Sorry to OP for thread derailment. No doubt you have a great build lined up and we're all looking forward to the results. Hope you enjoy the car in the end!

[FLATOUT]

Well it's coming here to VIper Exchange and I am doing a stage 2 build on the car so I am sure the customer will want before and after numbers.

I'll leave it up to him but I am looking forward to seeing these as well.

Andy


Toddy aided in designing the ACR-X/ARH header design from what I understand.

That said, the BBG shorties offer a superior joint as the collector tubes interlock within the flange from some other pics I've seen.

Yes, they're easily 2x the money. Will they make 2x the power? Doubt it. I honestly think you'd need some more compression and another 500-1000RPM on the redline to see the BBG's start making more power up high.

And of course all the Arrow PCM work has been with the ARH headers, a lot to be said for that. I just want to see IF the BBG shorties offer any power superiority to the ARH units. Cost be damned, I just want to see a set dyno'd on a Gen5, LOL.

Sorry to OP for thread derailment. No doubt you have a great build lined up and we're all looking forward to the results. Hope you enjoy the car in the end!

[mblgjr]

Can't beat that!

[GTSilver]

How do the BBG headers compare in price to ARH headers?

They are a bit more expensive. Give Toddy a call he'll go through the details of his headers and also price.

[GTSilver]

Got any more pics of those headers?


No these are only the photos i've got, maybe Toddy can post up some pictures and also you can search for BBG Shorty headers in the Gen 3/4 there is a thread for a blue/black act that has these headers and lots of pictures. i'll look it up and post here.

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About 2X the price last I checked


Not true

[GTSilver]

Toddy aided in designing the ACR-X/ARH header design from what I understand.

That said, the BBG shorties offer a superior joint as the collector tubes interlock within the flange from some other pics I've seen.

Yes, they're easily 2x the money. Will they make 2x the power? Doubt it. I honestly think you'd need some more compression and another 500-1000RPM on the redline to see the BBG's start making more power up high.

And of course all the Arrow PCM work has been with the ARH headers, a lot to be said for that. I just want to see IF the BBG shorties offer any power superiority to the ARH units. Cost be damned, I just want to see a set dyno'd on a Gen5, LOL.

Sorry to OP for thread derailment. No doubt you have a great build lined up and we're all looking forward to the results. Hope you enjoy the car in the end!

These are the same points besides how they look got me to go with BBG headers, plus as stated i'll go with the ViperExchange/Arrow heads and cam package and this might work better with BBG headers. I may be mistaken, but in the end people here on the forum could see the differences and may help with their decisions. Last thing, thank you but it'll be a while until i get the car here.

[GTSilver]

Well it's coming here to VIper Exchange and I am doing a stage 2 build on the car so I am sure the customer will want before and after numbers.

I'll leave it up to him but I am looking forward to seeing these as well.

Andy


Yes for sure before and after numbers and also publish them here in the forums at the end of the day we are small crowd (compared to other car marques) and if there is any way to help other forum members with their decision or a vendor that could support his products than I am more than open to share that info.

[GTSilver]

Got any more pics of those headers?


Here are the threads in the gen 3/4 viper, these headers are Jet Hot coated. Which will be the same as mine after they are done from coating, the pics i have attached earlier in the thread aren't coated yet.

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/3047-BBG-Header-Teaser-Install-and-writeup-to-follow?highlight=headers

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/3291-BBG-Header-Install?highlight=headers

[GTSilver]

Update

The car just got picked up by Reliable Carriers and is on route to Andy at Viper Exchange, hopefully it'll arrive next Tuesday.
I'll wait for DSE catch can bracket to be available for sale so i can add it to the other parts being installed. Don't know actually if I should go with 1 or 2 catch cans, what would you guys recommend ?

Thanks
Yousif

[GTSilver]

Below is video of the car before getting loaded into the trailer heading to Viper Exchange 2 days ago. The car should arrive at Viper exchange in the next couple of hours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PVs2GNTsp0

[Zybane]

When you take delivery could you shine a bright light on the paint? Seriously curious if there is swirl marks and fine scratches.

[GTSilver]

When you take delivery could you shine a bright light on the paint? Seriously curious if there is swirl marks and fine scratches.

I wont be getting the car any time soon waiting for the H/C package and also shipping it here which will take a 45-60 days. I assume that there will be swirl marks as I purchased the car used. Maybe Andy got give more info regarding the swirls and also pictures of the car as it was delivered yesterday to Viper Exchange.

Thanks
Yousif

[FLATOUT]

When you take delivery could you shine a bright light on the paint? Seriously curious if there is swirl marks and fine scratches.

My black TA was swirled and scratched a bunch straight from the factory. It's a black car not much you can do about it. Yousif we got the car yesterday. I'm leaving early this morning for the Colorado bucketlist event. We will get started on it when the heads and cam packages arrive.

Andy

[ddominator1]

Ok. What do I have to do to get these headers. I'm all,the way in Florida. :(

[GTSilver]

Ok. What do I have to do to get these headers. I'm all,the way in Florida. :(

I'm half way across the world and got them so i dont think it would be an issue you being in Florida. Give Toddy at BBG a call 916-505-9026 or email him (info @ badboyzzgarage . com)

[ddominator1]

Perfect man thanks. Would i,need any other mods other than slapping these things on? Do u know if warrante would be affected ?

Best
I'm half way across the world and got them so i dont think it would be an issue you being in Florida. Give Toddy at BBG a call 916-505-9026 or email him (info @ badboyzzgarage . com)

[GTSilver]

Perfect man thanks. Would i,need any other mods other than slapping these things on? Do u know if warrante would be affected ?

Best

I think warranty goes away with any sort of modifications done to the car so yes. If your going with headers you can go with a catback if you don't want your stock exhaust and want a louder setup. Also I think you should consider a PCM, to my knowledge its either Arrow PCM or HPTuners right now.

Yousif

[bluesrt]

When you take delivery could you shine a bright light on the paint? Seriously curious if there is swirl marks and fine scratches.

I put expel clear bra on 100% of my car, it now looks like a million dollars/no swirls/no scratches/ever again,self healing clear bra

[USCDOC]

I put expel clear bra on 100% of my car, it now looks like a million dollars/no swirls/no scratches/ever again,self healing clear bra

If you don't mind me asking, what was the cost of the Xpel?

[GTSilver]

Just got these pictures of my headers at Jet Hot from Toddy.

Before getting coated

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20Uncoated_zpsbgswdapl.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20Uncoated_zpsbgswdapl.jpg.html)

During the coating

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20coated%201_zpstsi3jyzk.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20coated%201_zpstsi3jyzk.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20coated%202_zpsrgi0xqs9.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20coated%202_zpsrgi0xqs9.jpg.html)

And the final results

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20Final%20Coating_zpsj0ugwjew.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20Final%20Coating_zpsj0ugwjew.jpg.ht ml)

Its a shame that these beautiful headers won't be shown as much under the hood of our cars !!

They will be shipped in the next couple of days to Andy at Viper Exchange with the Corsa exhaust to add them with the H/C package, heat shield and Ipsco pulley. Hopefully when Andy gets back from his Viper drive in Colorado and closer to the release of the H/C I'll ask him for a before and after dyno pulls.

Thanks
Yousif

[ddominator1]

Are u going w cat back or just putting headers on w stock exhaust ? Arrow pcm? Apologize if missed setup. Would these headers work well w stock exhaust / bolt right in and what would expected dyno increase look like. ?
I think warranty goes away with any sort of modifications done to the car so yes. If your going with headers you can go with a catback if you don't want your stock exhaust and want a louder setup. Also I think you should consider a PCM, to my knowledge its either Arrow PCM or HPTuners right now.

Yousif

[GTSilver]

Are u going w cat back or just putting headers on w stock exhaust ? Arrow pcm? Apologize if missed setup. Would these headers work well w stock exhaust / bolt right in and what would expected dyno increase look like. ?

I'm going with a Corsa exhaust with the headers, also doing Viper Exchange H/C package with Arrow PCM. I think you can have these headers w stock exhaust, double check with Toddy at BBG. Cant comment on expected dyno increase as I'm not only doing the headers, but from what I have researched pretty much all headers offered give about the same power figures with slight differences.

Yousif

[GTSilver]

Update: Talked to Andy this past week and informed me that the packages will be ready soon and has asked me to ship over the headers and exhaust from Toddy @ BBG over to him (it was done for a while now but kept at Toddy's so I don't cramp VE with all of the stuff that i had shipped over to them, harness, tires, ipsco tow hook etc, thanks Jon B). Toddy has assembled the headers to know where each part goes and makes it easier for the guys at VE when they assemble them, and they'll get shipped on Monday.

I just acknowledged that I started this thread about a month and a half ago when i had already purchased the car, headers and exhaust. If I had already shipped the car it would've been here already and enjoying driving it. However with all the r&d, testing, Andy's review and videos of his car with the heads and cam I know it'll be worth the wait. Below are a couple of pics of the headers assembled and after Jet Hot coating before getting installed in the car which hopefully won't be long now.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20final%201_zpsosu2yswr.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20final%201_zpsosu2yswr.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20final%202_zpsddxsuqzt.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20final%202_zpsddxsuqzt.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/BBG%20Headers%20final%203_zpstzhlseof.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/BBG%20Headers%20final%203_zpstzhlseof.jpg.html)


Whenever VE and Andy are ready to start on my car a before and after dyno will be done and posted here in this thread and also the build process.

Thanks
Yousif

[GTSilver]

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/th_IMG_4733-1_zpsjnfwx53o.mp4 (http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/IMG_4733-1_zpsjnfwx53o.mp4)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo_zpsryekqide.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo_zpsryekqide.jpg.html)

[G37Sam]

Awww snap it is happening!!

[GTSilver]

Although it has been a while since i updated this thread but now things are all getting aligned. With the other cars before me are getting done at VE Andy will start working on my car next week. I had asked Andy for a before and after dyno with 4 runs to have an average and Andy as always was more than helpful working with me and had the car dyno last week.

To be honest the numbers are a bit disappointing (can be seen in the end of the video and as soon as i get the dyno sheets i'll post them up) however the weather wasn't that helpful when it was done and the car was parked for months without being driven. Hopefully after everything gets installed it'll show good numbers and also when i get the car i'll drive for a couple hundred miles and re-dyno.

Again thanks for all forum viper vendors for providing great products for the gen v platform and also VE and Andy which was more than helpful and this build couldn't be done with the support.

Thanks
Yousif

[GTSilver]

https://youtu.be/lZ8kr-hfTOI

[GTSilver]

Awww snap it is happening!!

Yeah cant wait to get it done and ship it back here although i might ship it to dubai before shipping it back home for a week or two.

[7TH_SIGN]

Man I love the black TA. Congrats on the build thus far.

[G37Sam]

Yeah cant wait to get it done and ship it back here although i might ship it to dubai before shipping it back home for a week or two.

I like the sound of that!

[GTSilver]

Man I love the black TA. Congrats on the build thus far.

Thanks


I like the sound of that!

I'll let you know if I do, as I would love to try it out at dubai autodrome.

[Snakebit10]

Congrats and great build. I'm surprised you didn't go for the VE suspension package while you are at it. It seems the ticket for street and track. Flatout just posted in another thread that a TA 1.0 like yours with their active suspension actually beat Ralph in his ACR extreme by 1 sec on a minimal to no down force track. Not to spend your money for you but just sayin since you originally wanted an ACR :D

[GTSilver]

Congrats and great build. I'm surprised you didn't go for the VE suspension package while you are at it. It seems the ticket for street and track. Flatout just posted in another thread that a TA 1.0 like yours with their active suspension actually beat Ralph in his ACR extreme by 1 sec on a minimal to no down force track. Not to spend your money for you but just sayin since you originally wanted an ACR :D

I was thinking about them and also the VE BBK but to i'd love to track it first and get an idea then decide on which to focus on first. Yes the VE suspension seems superior with the technology and being changed depending on variables but i'm also interested in Ohlins suspension kit as i have tracked a couple of cars with KW, JRZ, Ohlins, Motons and nothing comes close to Ohlins in terms of reliability, service and performance. All i know of is that Toddy at BBG made an Ohlins kit for the viper but i didn't want to ask him about them now so i don't pull the trigger sooner than planned and i'm leaning to go with the BBK first then decide about suspension either VE suspension, Ohlins or any new market offering.

I've seen Andy's post on instagram yesterday and will read the other thread and although Randy Pobst was driving the TA and Ralph in the ACR isn't any less of a driver either so that shows how good the suspension is working with both cars running the same tires.

[FLATOUT]

Your car should be on the lift tomorrow!

As for the suspension I'll put an active setup against any static shock no matter how good it is any time anywhere. Ben feels that strongly about it and so do I. It's the real deal, and you don't lose your electronic dual mode system.


I was thinking about them and also the VE BBK but to i'd love to track it first and get an idea then decide on which to focus on first. Yes the VE suspension seems superior with the technology and being changed depending on variables but i'm also interested in Ohlins suspension kit as i have tracked a couple of cars with KW, JRZ, Ohlins, Motons and nothing comes close to Ohlins in terms of reliability, service and performance. All i know of is that Toddy at BBG made an Ohlins kit for the viper but i didn't want to ask him about them now so i don't pull the trigger sooner than planned and i'm leaning to go with the BBK first then decide about suspension either VE suspension, Ohlins or any new market offering.

I've seen Andy's post on instagram yesterday and will read the other thread and although Randy Pobst was driving the TA and Ralph in the ACR isn't any less of a driver either so that shows how good the suspension is working with both cars running the same tires.

[Space Truckin]

The headers are a work of ART :dropdev:

[GTSilver]

Your car should be on the lift tomorrow!

As for the suspension I'll put an active setup against any static shock no matter how good it is any time anywhere. Ben feels that strongly about it and so do I. It's the real deal, and you don't lose your electronic dual mode system.

Great !!

I believe you and the results speak for themselves but i still want to try the car out on track and get the BBK first then consider suspension later.

Thanks Andy for all the support to make this build go through.
Yousif

- - - Updated - - -


The headers are a work of ART :dropdev:

They are but its unfortunate that they'll be hidden and not shown much under the hood of the car.

[GTSilver]

Andy just emailed me the below pictures of my car during the process of installing the heads and cam package.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-2_zpsaa7ywcsz.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-2_zpsaa7ywcsz.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-1_zpsnhd9517z.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-1_zpsnhd9517z.jpg.html)

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-3_zpszcu58rfd.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-3_zpszcu58rfd.jpg.html)

[FLATOUT]

Just sent you a few more pics from today. Motor out and all of the new goodies on the car. Should have everything back in tomorrow.

Andy

[GTSilver]

Motor is out

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-2%201_zpsumwkhcey.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-2%201_zpsumwkhcey.jpg.html)


http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-1%201_zpsvb2bnzeo.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-1%201_zpsvb2bnzeo.jpg.html)


New heads being installed

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo%202_zpsotag74sj.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo%202_zpsotag74sj.jpg.html)


http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-1%202_zpstjdgaq9f.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-1%202_zpstjdgaq9f.jpg.html)

[GTSilver]

Just sent you a few more pics from today. Motor out and all of the new goodies on the car. Should have everything back in tomorrow.

Andy

Thats great, I appreciate it Andy. Cant wait for the after dyno results and idle video.

Thanks
Yousif

[GTSilver]

Here is the dyno sheet for the base line run. I had asked for 4 runs but the first run which got 520rwhp wasn't correct so it was taken off.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/Viper_TA_zpsqox1gjos.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/Viper_TA_zpsqox1gjos.jpg.html)

Motor and headers and exhaust are installed hopefully Andy will start it up shortly.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-2_zpszdcpdj8a.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-2_zpszdcpdj8a.jpg.html)

Only pic i've got of the exhaust.

[mblgjr]

515/477 baseline being totally stock ?

Just checking.

Looking forward to the afters. I think youre one of the first to have any published numbers using the BBG shorty headers.

[GTSilver]

515/477 baseline being totally stock ?

Just checking.

Looking forward to the afters. I think youre one of the first to have any published numbers using the BBG shorty headers.

Yes, relatively a low number compared to other gen v.
Theres another gen iv with BBG shorty headers that had posted his numbers but you might be right as i haven't seen any for a gen v numbers posted, but numbers/gains should be similar between both gens.

[FLATOUT]

515/477 baseline being totally stock ?

Just checking.

Looking forward to the afters. I think youre one of the first to have any published numbers using the BBG shorty headers.

I think the after numbers should be quite good :) Just waiting on the ECU to get back from Arrow which should hopefully arrive today.

[mblgjr]

Dont get hung up on the digits. Just a reference point.

[TrackAire]

Very exciting times for the Gen 5 owners.

The true horsepower number will be trap speeds when these guys start playing on the quarter mile.

[SADVIPER]

Looks nice Yousif all the best!
Will see you at BIC soon hopefully :)

[GTSilver]

Looks nice Yousif all the best!
Will see you at BIC soon hopefully :)

Thanks and i'll be there in November but in my other car.

[ACR]

Awesome stuff Yousif
Enjoy in good health
-Tarek

[GTSilver]

Awesome stuff Yousif
Enjoy in good health
-Tarek

Thanks Tarek

[GTSilver]

Motor is back in waiting for the Arrow pcm to fire it up !!

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-7_zpsrzq68fcy.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-7_zpsrzq68fcy.jpg.html)


Picture of the awesome BBG shorty headers

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-8_zpsk3ktc2ac.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-8_zpsk3ktc2ac.jpg.html)


Driver harness installed in TA orange.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-10_zpsrctiqglg.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-10_zpsrctiqglg.jpg.html)

Door sills in carbon and viper is orange

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/photo-9_zpsbxdsoyfb.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/photo-9_zpsbxdsoyfb.jpg.html)

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Looks really good! Love the contrasting seat belts and sill logos.

[VIPER LP]

Looks amazing congrats again 👍😎

[KB Viper]

looks good, i can't wait to hear it fired up.

[GTSilver]

Looks really good! Love the contrasting seat belts and sill logos.

Thanks and yes they turned out great.

Doug, which setup would you recommend for track use in terms of catch so I can place an order with the group buy ?

Thanks again
Yousif

[GTSilver]

Looks amazing congrats again ����

Thanks and congrats on the ACR !!


looks good, i can't wait to hear it fired up.

Thanks, hopefully Andy will get the pcm next week to fire it up.

[FLATOUT]

Thanks and congrats on the ACR !!



Thanks, hopefully Andy will get the pcm next week to fire it up.

Yep as soon as it comes in we'll fire it up and get it over to the dyno.

Andy

[G37Sam]

Coming along beautifully!

[cashcorn]

Why the wait on the pcm, is it not included with the package?

[GTSilver]

Why the wait on the pcm, is it not included with the package?

It is, but it has to be sent to Arrow and back.

[SSGNRDZ_28]

Thanks and yes they turned out great.

Doug, which setup would you recommend for track use in terms of catch so I can place an order with the group buy ?

Thanks again
Yousif

I'd take care of both sides unless I missed the update to 2016 spec valve cover. From there it's a choice of vented or sealed and if you choose vented now there's an option for a single can or one on each side... Lots of options. A prototype dual input vented setup might be on the way down there as early as next week, not sure when your car leaves. Like I said the installation is easy so just pick what you feel is best for you.

[FLATOUT]

Why the wait on the pcm, is it not included with the package?

We overnight them back to Arrow and they are overnighted back with the Stage 2 calibration that ViperExchange developed with Dick W. In this case it was overnighted there then sent ground back hence the extra day or two.

[GTSilver]

Car is running !!

Just got an email from Andy that the car is running and everything is fine just buttoning up everything and a few more heat cycles and double check everything. I'll post up an idle video in a couple of hours and hopefully video and dyno results.

Yousif

[Space Truckin]

Car is running !!

Just got an email from Andy that the car is running and everything is fine just buttoning up everything and a few more heat cycles and double check everything. I'll post up an idle video in a couple of hours and hopefully video and dyno results.

Yousif

The cars sound sooo sick with the H/C package, you must be on pins and needles waiting for it to get to you. Congrats :drive:

[FLATOUT]

Car sounds really, really good! I will get a video before the end of the day.

Andy

[GTSilver]

Here is the idle video Andy just emailed me. Car sounds amazing !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfTcgAAqDZM

[mblgjr]

After numbers!

[GTSilver]

After numbers!

Hopefully soon in the next couple of days.

[Crotalidae]

Sounds great!!!

[G37Sam]

Mashallah Yousif!!! Sounds monstrous! I must hear it if she comes to Dubai.

How on earth do you sleep at night with all this anticipation? :)

[Snakebit10]

I can just imagine your anticipation. I can't wait for the numbers and your write up on how she feels. 700hp + NA for a track car is just monstrous.

[GTSilver]

Sounds great!!!

Thanks


Mashallah Yousif!!! Sounds monstrous! I must hear it if she comes to Dubai.

How on earth do you sleep at night with all this anticipation? :)

Yes sure definatly i'll let you know if she comes to dubai. The anticipation is killing me but thankfully my other car is keeping me busy with track days.



I can just imagine your anticipation. I can't wait for the numbers and your write up on how she feels. 700hp + NA for a track car is just monstrous.

Yes i really cant wait to drive it on track and compare it with the other cars i've driven on track

[98intrigue]

Ahhh...sounds similar to my previous cars with H/C. There are very few things in life that beat the sound!

[FLATOUT]

Ahhh...sounds similar to my previous cars with H/C. There are very few things in life that beat the sound!

Hope I get to build you another one :)

[ACR]

Sounds beast! Mashallah [Congrats]! Man you'll have to make your way up to Boise and we can do a scenic drive in the mountains with my 16 ACR!

[GTSilver]

Sounds beast! Mashallah [Congrats]! Man you'll have to make your way up to Boise and we can do a scenic drive in the mountains with my 16 ACR!

Thanks. I wish that i can drive it in the states but i'm halfway across the world and the option to fly in and drive it isn't available due to work etc. Congrats on your ACR again and maybe when either the sledgehammer comes out or if I decided to upgrade to the ACR I might drive it in the states before shipping it back home.

Yousif

[ACR]

Thanks. I wish that i can drive it in the states but i'm halfway across the world and the option to fly in and drive it isn't available due to work etc. Congrats on your ACR again and maybe when either the sledgehammer comes out or if I decided to upgrade to the ACR I might drive it in the states before shipping it back home.

Yousif

Thanks! Let me know if you get an ACR or upgrade to a Sledge and are stateside!

[GTSilver]

Andy just took my car to the dyno to see the results after the heads and cam package. Again as mentioned earlier my car had a low base line number and the weather wasn't that helpful.

Below is the highest number achieved for both the base line and after the kit.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/Yousif%20Before%20and%20After_zpsasgqnjbb.jpg (http://s483.photobucket.com/user/Yousif997/media/Yousif%20Before%20and%20After_zpsasgqnjbb.jpg.html )

I'm very very happy with the results and astonished with the area under the curve.

As a recall I have purchased my car around June/July and have been waiting since then. I could have shipped the car back with an Arrow stage 1 and could have been driving it for more than a month. But i didn't and waited all that period until the package was available for sale as i've seen from different threads the efforts and testing from the Arrow mule to the VE test cars. Andy has been more than helpful and great throughout the whole period and went the extra mile. This build again wouldn't have been done without his help and his 24/7 support and availability. Thanks again Andy big time !!

Thanks Toddy for making me a great set of BBG shorty headers cant wait to hear it in person.
Thanks JonB for helping me out with all the parts i needed for my viper.

I'm really excited and cant wait to get it back home and take it to the track !!

[GTSilver]

Here is a video of the dyno pulls.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/th_IMG_4960_zpsoyn9wkol.mp4 (http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Yousif997/IMG_4960_zpsoyn9wkol.mp4)

https://youtu.be/HqPDeVI4uwk

[FLATOUT]

Man what a fun project. I love doing these installs! As I told you via email I think the car still has a few more in it as well. I have put maybe a total of 15 miles on the build even though it's gone through a few heat cycles. Temps in the dyno shop today were cooler but the IAT's were still in a range where it was pulling some timing. I think it has 660 SAE in it with all the timing in and a few more miles on the car.

Andy

[GTSilver]

Just got the call from the shipping company that the car has arrived here in Kuwait and ready to be cleared !!
Will update the thread with a couple of pics.

Yousif

[G37Sam]

I thought you were shipping to Dubai!!

[SolidViper]

Congrats on the arrival and have fun , am in the spot you were in waiting on my car :)

[GTSilver]

I thought you were shipping to Dubai!!

I'm but i have to get the registration done first etc and after that i'll ship it.

[GTSilver]

Congrats on the arrival and have fun , am in the spot you were in waiting on my car :)

Thanks appreciate it and regarding the waiting period yes is long but you have another gen v and also it'll defiantly be worth the wait when you get your ACR here.

[GTSilver]

It's been a month since the car arrived back here and i cant stop driving the car !! I'm really impressed with the gen v compared to my old gen 3 and everything is waaay better. With the addition of the heads and cam its even more. Although i still haven't had the chance to really get on it as i'm still getting used to the car and also i'd rather not on the streets.

I'll be visiting Bahrain international circuit in the next couple of days to have a go at it in a safe environment and also see its potential on track compared to the other cars i've tracked. The car already has new pzero corsa and ss brake lines and castrol srf brake fluid, oem pads and i changed to acr alignment. Based on what others have reported i'll be starting 27-28 psi cold and aiming for 31-32 hot pressures. I'll have some track footage and report back after track.

Thanks
Yousif

[TwinVipers]

That's great! Enjoy your car and be safe!

[Arizona Vipers]

I'll be visiting Bahrain international circuit in the next couple of days to have a go at it in a safe environment and also see its potential on track compared to the other cars i've tracked. The car already has new pzero corsa and ss brake lines and castrol srf brake fluid, oem pads and i changed to acr alignment.

Thanks
Yousif

How did you like the car on the track with the ACR alignment?

[GTSilver]

How did you like the car on the track with the ACR alignment?

It was my first time on track in the viper but throughout the day confidence build up and i was pushing it mid day. The car was neutral with some slight understeer in a couple of corners. After that track day i had changed my alignment a little bit more aggressive than ACR and it was better on track.

Here is a review of my first track day in the viper :

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/12736-Took-my-TA-to-the-track