Arrow Heads and cam thread for Woodhouse Motorsports

[mjorgensen]

Well I wanted to start a thread for our shop since after all the delays in the cam production we should be ramping up very soon I'm assured. This package has been very well received as others have proven and here at Woodhouse it is no different. We will be documenting the first one as soon as the cams are boxed up. Arrow only has 30 sets of big valve heads staged for the packages and we have ordered 6 to get us started (all 13/14 customers, new ACR cars also when they start arriving). Arrow has promised to keep the turn around fast for heads and the PCM calibrations because of the cars we have lined up, can't wait to get started and hope to have something to post very soon.

If you have any questions that come up please feel free to contact me anytime

You can also follow along with other projects that go through the shop on our FB page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division/167968157736

Thanks!

[NoMorZR1]

Excellent ! I'll be in touch to put my GTC on the list.

[TeamOrangeCrush]

Well I wanted to start a thread for our shop since after all the delays in the cam production we should be ramping up very soon I'm assured. This package has been very well received as others have proven and here at Woodhouse it is no different. We will be documenting the first one as soon as the cams are boxed up. Arrow only has 30 sets of big valve heads staged for the packages and we have ordered 6 to get us started (all 13/14 customers, new ACR cars also when they start arriving). Arrow has promised to keep the turn around fast for heads and the PCM calibrations because of the cars we have lined up, can't wait to get started and hope to have something to post very soon.


If you have any questions that come up please feel free to contact me anytime


You can also follow along with other projects that go through the shop on our FB page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division/167968157736

Thanks!

Mark,
How much for the package? Any core charges and how long till order shipped?
Does have to be done by a Dodge dealer?
Thanks!!!!
Jerry,

[mjorgensen]

Mark,
How much for the package? Any core charges and how long till order shipped?
Does have to be done by a Dodge dealer?
Thanks!!!!
Jerry,

Hi Jerry,

The parts for the package are $10,991, that price is set for all 3 dealers, if it is an over the counter sale there will be a $2000 core charge for the stock parts. Arrow has not given me an exact number for this on a already driven vehicle, but when we do new Vipers they get all the take off parts back. So if you buy the kit and keep all the stock parts there could be anywhere from $2K -$3k in core charges.

Timeline? Parts have been delayed many times because of the cam core supplier so I have stopped dumping gas on myself lol, I hope the kits are ready to ship soon, lots of cars and people in line and they have been for a long time now.

You can install the kit on your own or have your Tech do it, but there is no implied warranty on anything unless it is installed at 1 of the 3 Arrow authorized dealers like Woodhouse, then you will get a 12/12 warranty.

Thanks,

[Redx]

Mark, has arrow mentioned if they are going to release the gen iv package this year?

[mjorgensen]

Arrow has bought their own development car and are working on it, I do not get the impression it will be released before the end of this year.


Mark, has arrow mentioned if they are going to release the gen iv package this year?

[FrgMstr]

Arrow has bought their own development car and are working on it, I do not get the impression it will be released before the end of this year.

... :(

[Darius]

I hope they release the blower soon.

[Rapidrezults]

I hope they release the blower soon.

I wish I could justify having two ACRs...one with a blower and softer springs for the street..and one for the track. Damn, an ACR extreme with a blower would be the definition of a street terror.

[mjorgensen]

Update, according to Arrow the cam cores have not even been shipped from the supplier to the grinders (maybe by the end of the month...) so we are at least 3 weeks out still for the production cams. :-(

[johnkn]

What RWHP/TQ are you seeing on stock 2015's on your dyno and what are the projections with the heads/cam/PCM/header/exhaust? thanks

[mjorgensen]

What RWHP/TQ are you seeing on stock 2015's on your dyno and what are the projections with the heads/cam/PCM/header/exhaust? thanks

Hi John, the Mustang 2 roller dyno we use has put most of the 30+ baselines at 520-525rwhp on late 14' cars. In the early days of the GenV we were at around 500 because the tune was richening up so much over 4400 rpm, the new cars and the reflashed early cars are pretty consistent in the about 520 range though which seems low, but this dyno has always been a heartbreaker lol, but consistent before and after numbers over the 8 years we have been going there.

[johnkn]

Thank you, Based on those numbers any expectations on new heads/cam/PCM/headers/exhaust?

[mjorgensen]

Thank you, Based on those numbers any expectations on new heads/cam/PCM/headers/exhaust?

Well since the bolt on cars average 560 the H/C should be around 610-615 I hope, but will have to see.

[johnkn]

Thank you Sir...

[mjorgensen]

Heads and cam update, Arrow has and is installing the first production camshaft in their test engine to run on the dyno. If all goes well in the next day or two the cam grinders will be working overtime churning out cams! Woodhouse Motorsports has 5 of the first batch incoming and will be scheduling in cars as soon as it is verified we will be getting products to install, we also have many new ACR and GTC cars lined up for the long awaited arrow Racing heads and cam package! Stay tuned here for more info coming soon ;-)

[mjorgensen]

Another update, after running the first production cam in the test engine on the dyno Arrow wanted to make a very small change in tolerances to insure the best valve train performance on the production cams. The timeline for shipping is looking like 1.5 - 2 weeks from yesterday. We have cars waiting and I know my customers are weary from the delays, but it will be so worth it when we start working! Hang in there ;-)

[ViperSmith]

Mark, where are pics of the ACR you guys got in!!

[mjorgensen]

Mark, where are pics of the ACR you guys got in!!

They forgot the aero kit... But with the heads, cam and Belangers we may want to add it LOL. The ACR comment was all my confusion so I own it as a misspeak...

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[ViperSmith]

They forgot the aero kit... But with the heads, cam and Belangers we may want to add it LOL. The ACR comment was all my confusion so I own it as a misspeak...

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LOL! Nice looking car though :)

[NoMorZR1]

Thanks for the pic Mark. That beauty is my 2016 "almost Stryker Red " 2016 GTC with the TA 1.0 Option . It's waiting for the H & C install @ Woodhouse, then will be heading for Idaho. Bill was a huge help with picking the color. I have heard it is a very very close match to Stryker Red.

[mjorgensen]

Thanks for the pic Mark. That beauty is my 2016 "almost Stryker Red " 2016 GTC with the TA 1.0 Option . It's waiting for the H & C install @ Woodhouse, then will be heading for Idaho. Bill was a huge help with picking the color. I have heard it is a very very close match to Stryker Red.

Package should ship tomorrow, will take the car to dyno for baseline in the morning ;-)

Arrow will be offering their carbon coil covers also as an upgrade if anyone is interested, will have the Arrow racing logo on them along with the Stage II designation and then WMD 740 if you like with or without.

[J TNT]

That's a great package Mark ! What is the new Redline with the Stage 2 package ?
Thanks !

[mjorgensen]

That's a great package Mark ! What is the new Redline with the Stage 2 package ?
Thanks !

Redline is 6700 rpm.

[Rapidrezults]

Package should ship tomorrow, will take the car to dyno for baseline in the morning ;-)

Arrow will be offering their carbon coil covers also as an upgrade if anyone is interested, will have the Arrow racing logo on them along with the Stage II designation and then WMD 740 if you like with or without.

Any pics of these Mark?

[mjorgensen]

Any pics of these Mark?



These are prototypes, but you get the idea.

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[mjorgensen]

Parts are shipping today!

[Stealth78]

These are prototypes, but you get the idea.

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Those look awesome! Where is the 740 figure coming from? If Andy's car put down 661 wouldn't the calculation to the flywheel be around 760?

[mjorgensen]

Those look awesome! Where is the 740 figure coming from? If Andy's car put down 661 wouldn't the calculation to the flywheel be around 760?

Arrow is more comfortable using the 740 than the higher number, all dynos/operators are different and they are using the numbers from the dyno they trust.

[NoMorZR1]

That's excellent news Mark ! It's starting to get a little anxious in Idaho as I wait for this beast !

[ACR]

That's excellent news Mark ! It's starting to get a little anxious in Idaho as I wait for this beast !

Where in ID, I'm in Boise

[Rapidrezults]

Where in ID, I'm in Boise

Genius name dude...I can't believe it wasn't taken. U should throw that up on eBay. Lol.

[mjorgensen]

It's a start!

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[cashcorn]

Really like seeing all the options coming into play on the G5!

[mjorgensen]

Nice little change in location on the 2016 should help keep oil from the air box better.

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[Nambo]

That is really good news Mark.

[mjorgensen]

Engine apart tomorrow, finding little things we can do to try and keep things cool with the engine out, some obvious and some not so much, but we can try a couple things for sure.

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[NoMorZR1]

Thanks for those "teaser" pics of my car Mark ! I hadn't noticed before, but I do like the black/orange rotors. What are some of the cooling ideas you are discovering ?

[Darius]

It must be nice working on a brand new car! Compared to greasy old beater.

[mjorgensen]

It must be nice working on a brand new car! Compared to greasy old beater.

We have a bunch of 13'-15' cars on the schedule also, but most so far will be new 16's and ACR's it will be like a factory here for quite a while it seems ;-)

[mjorgensen]

Thanks for those "teaser" pics of my car Mark ! I hadn't noticed before, but I do like the black/orange rotors. What are some of the cooling ideas you are discovering ?

I'll call you today and discuss what we would like to try, packaging is very tight so every little thing we can do to combat heat helps. Thanks again for your business.

[mjorgensen]

Everything is going well, very high quality parts supplied by Arrow! Hope to have her back to the dyno early next week.

We have 2 more incoming cars next week so hang on things are getting exciting!!!!

You can see much more here
https://www.facebook.com/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division-167968157736/timeline/

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[KB Viper]

Mark--once you get a system down, how long are these installs going to take?
Kris

[mjorgensen]

If all goes well 3-4 days including dynos.


Mark--once you get a system down, how long are these installs going to take?
Kris

[mjorgensen]

Here are a couple more series of pictures, we are by no means rushing this process, just too many things to make sure you are 100% to risk. We also spent some time making sure things were fully protected from the heat. These pictures do not yet include our heat shielding for the PDC box just the wrapping.

We have 3 more kits shipping from Arrow today and 3 more cars arriving this week so we will likely be able to speed up a little, but we are nothing if not careful here at WMD.

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PDC and evap lines
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Coolant and metal oil cooler lines wrapped.
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These to areas were left un shielded and since they are in the foot boxes we desided it would probably help cabin heat also to insulate there.
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[mjorgensen]

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Clutch line wrapped
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Brake lines wrapped

[ACR Steve]

nice work

[viper04]

Very nice! Good to have guys like you work on these cars.

[mjorgensen]

nice work


Very nice! Good to have guys like you work on these cars.

Thanks guys, I'm sure the other shops will find the heat shielding beneficial to use, we may expand as we go, but this has to be the minimum I would let the car leave with for now.

[TrackAire]

Nice work Mark & Woodhouse crew....attention to detail is what matters for long term reliability.

[NoMorZR1]

Mark and Bill have been excellent to work with, from the initial GTC order, to the H/C/exhaust install. In addn to the pics Mark has shared on the forum, there's been constant communication by both of them via email and phone calls. I wish their dealership/shop wasn't so far from Idaho !

[donk_316]

It's a shame this isn't a factory option.. It's an Arrow engine supplied to dodge for every viper... How hard could it be to change which heads and cam they bolt on that works with their own Arrow controller also

[Simms]

Nice attention to detail.

Any pics of the shield?

[mjorgensen]

No pictures to share yet.


Nice attention to detail.

Any pics of the shield?

[ddominator1]

Hey Mark im PMed you! looking good! :)

[KB Viper]

any idle videos?

[mjorgensen]

any idle videos?

https://www.facebook.com/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division-167968157736/timeline/

[mjorgensen]

The first Arrow package went together nicely and drives perfect, we took our time to get things right and plan out the little details like heat shielding we are including. I have not bothered to post dyno numbers as you all know from the past our dyno reads terribly low compared to most others so numbers are not as "impressive" as some run elsewhere, but the gains are certainly there where they should be. We are now working on the 2nd and 3rd installs and with all the new 16's we have scheduled and about 9 cars that are already owned it is a busy and exciting time here in the shop. Please follow us on FB https://www.facebook.com/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division-167968157736/timeline/ for current and past projects.

Thanks,

[mjorgensen]

Will be starting this beauty on Tuesday, 2nd car went flawlessly and made more power, about what I guessed a car with miles would do anyhow. The last 1/2 of my initial order from Arrow should be here in time for the next 3 coming in. So far even though our actual numbers are skewed lower than others (all dyno related logarithms) the gains are there and very strong. The 2nd car will be making a trip to the strip very soon and I know he will be sharing his experiences with you all.

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[ViperTony]

Will be starting this beauty on Tuesday, 2nd car went flawlessly and made more power, about what I guessed a car with miles would do anyhow. The last 1/2 of my initial order from Arrow should be here in time for the next 3 coming in. So far even though our actual numbers are skewed lower than others (all dyno related logarithms) the gains are there and very strong. The 2nd car will be making a trip to the strip very soon and I know he will be sharing his experiences with you all.

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Excellent. The wait is going to kill me, LOL.

[J TNT]

Thanks for keeping us posted Mark on a Great Package !
Just wondering is the Heads and Cam package tuned to 91 octane or 93/ 94 Octane ?

[mjorgensen]

Thanks for keeping us posted Mark on a Great Package !
Just wondering is the Heads and Cam package tuned to 91 octane or 93/ 94 Octane ?

All we have here is 91 so the number we get are with it, if you run 93+ I'm sure that the numbers will go up.

[mjorgensen]

Sorry there has not been much posted from me lately, we are hard at work getting the Arrow Heads and Cam packages finished and out the door. It is great that so many of our customers have chosen this build there will be so many ACR's out there breaking hearts at tracks all around the country! Here are 3 of them from last week, 2 left yesterday in our new rig and another one today. Next 2 start pulling engines today.

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Will always be more here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Woodhouse-Motorsports-Division/167968157736

[99RT10]

That is beautiful, congrats to Woodhouse and the new owner. Great job Mark! :drive:

[Jack B]

I did have a problem with Marks work, when they did my HC, everything was perfect, I had nothing to bitch about.


That is beautiful, congrats to Woodhouse and the new owner. Great job Mark! :drive:

[ViperTony]

I did have a problem with Marks work, when they did my HC, everything was perfect, I had nothing to bitch about.

LMFAO. Joking aside, Jack, I really do believe this bothers you. ;)

[mjorgensen]

I posted this in Andy's thread so figured it should go here then I can delete the other one.

Arrow Racing Heads and Cam with Belanger headers, HF cats and a Corsa cat back modified to work on the ACR sills with a custom Belanger made ACR tip for Woodhouse Motorsports. Sounds bad ***!

https://youtu.be/ZNg-311jdLc

[J TNT]

That sounds great Mark ! Thanks for posting it !

[FLATOUT]

Looks and sounds great Mark.

[mjorgensen]

I know I have not been on the forums as much as normal, I hope I haven't dropped the ball with any of you we have been just so busy and I've been needed in the shop more than ever. Here's a couple pictures from lately on a few of the current Arrow Racing heads and cam cars we have been getting through and a couple more cool ones waiting patiently in the building. The Blue one along with all the other goodies we do opted for a 4.10 gear with the H/C package for an insanely "snappy" ride LOL. I'll be putting more pictures up on my FB page also when I have more time.

I can always be reached on my cell so never really out of touch, 402-677-2935 feel free to call or txt any time and I will always be willing to chat.

Thanks!

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[mjorgensen]

Fresh ones waiting in line for the nicest Viper performance power package since the Paxton back in the Gen3 days. We did almost 200 of them so I hope Arrow can keep us supplied!

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Our good friend RK back from Florida for Arrow magic :-)

[NoMorZR1]

Mark, please keep us updated on how that 4.10 change works out. I'm still on the fence about a change to 3.73.

[mjorgensen]

Mark, please keep us updated on how that 4.10 change works out. I'm still on the fence about a change to 3.73.

We have done 4 of the 3.73 and 2 of the 4.10's before this, this is just the first H/C package with the gears swapped. The 3.73 are noticeable, but the 4.10 is nuts with just the car he did with full Belangers and Arrow PCM. This car should be crazy quick, albeit traction less LOL.

I have sold a couple of the Wavetrac diff upgrades with 3.73's for the Gen5 also, but no track time as of yet to see how it works compared to the stocker.