CEL on after 35 miles. [Archive] - Viper Owners Association

dethred

07-05-2015, 02:58 PM

Just had my 2014 GTS delivered last night. I cannot express how impressed I am with this car! Took it out today to put some break in miles on it... and after 35 miles the check engine light appears.

P000B Bank1 Camshaft 2 Position slow response.

I have done a bit of reading on this and looks like it's possibly the OCV for the VVT system? The only other incident with a Viper I found was after about 500 miles of driving. I did read a bit from Dodge about the Challenger or Charger having the same issue, and that sometimes it's due to a motor wearing in or something to that effect?

I did just put in a new tank of fuel, as the car was delivered with about half a gallon in the tank. Oil pressure was ranging from 30-70's with normal driving, oil temp appeared normal based on the gauge.

It might have been a placebo or me getting used to the clutch, but about a minute after it turned on I pulled away from a light (slight incline) and it almost stalled (it was my first hill start, so who knows). I gave it about 1/2 throttle in second gear before getting home and it pulled hard and smooth.

Ideas?

swexlin

07-05-2015, 04:06 PM

Jack B

07-05-2015, 04:08 PM

Use a scan tool and see if there are other codes The dash display only indicates codes linked to environmental issues.

Just had my 2014 GTS delivered last night. I cannot express how impressed I am with this car! Took it out today to put some break in miles on it... and after 35 miles the check engine light appears..

A Low oil level might cause that code, that is a stretch.

P000B Bank1 Camshaft 2 Position slow response.

I have done a bit of reading on this and looks like it's possibly the OCV for the VVT system? The only other incident with a Viper I found was after about 500 miles of driving. I did read a bit from Dodge about the Challenger or Charger having the same issue, and that sometimes it's due to a motor wearing in or something to that effect?

I did just put in a new tank of fuel, as the car was delivered with about half a gallon in the tank. Oil pressure was ranging from 30-70's with normal driving, oil temp appeared normal based on the gauge.

It might have been a placebo or me getting used to the clutch, but about a minute after it turned on I pulled away from a light (slight incline) and it almost stalled (it was my first hill start, so who knows). I gave it about 1/2 throttle in second gear before getting home and it pulled hard and smooth.

Ideas?

dethred

07-05-2015, 04:12 PM

My first drive in my Gen 5, I stalled it twice! Clutch way different from my Gen 3,and Dart, of course. It takes some getting used to. As for the CEL, I would take it to a tech. Do you have one nearby?

I fortunately haven't stalled it yet, but came damn close. ViperSmith recommended a dealership in Alexandria so I'll give them a call tomorrow. I take it driving it or clearing the code to see if it returns is a bad idea? (I assume it is, but just checking)

dethred

07-05-2015, 04:14 PM

Use a scan tool and see if there are other codes The dash display only indicates codes linked to environmental issues.

Will a standard OBD2 scanner work? If so can you describe where the obd2 port is?

Jack B

07-05-2015, 04:21 PM

Will a standard OBD2 scanner work? If so can you describe where the obd2 port is?

Yes, by your left knee, at the back edge of the dash.

swexlin

07-05-2015, 04:24 PM

I would leave the code (s) for a tech to see. OBD port should be under the dash. If you have a Pep Boys local, they will put a code reader on it for free.

Mamba52

07-05-2015, 04:52 PM

Oh snap!!! Same thing happened to me and it was a nightmare. They need to replace the oil and hopefully your oil pressure sending unit.

Fatboy 18

07-05-2015, 05:39 PM

WTF is going on with these Engines, its not like its a brand new design is it!

35 miles and a Cel comes on! Unbelievable. Not impressed Dodge. :(

dethred

07-05-2015, 06:09 PM

I would leave the code (s) for a tech to see. OBD port should be under the dash. If you have a Pep Boys local, they will put a code reader on it for free.

Can you PM me with details, or post them here? I am not too worried about it, but your describing it as a nightmare peaks my interest.

Jack B

07-05-2015, 06:14 PM

The sky is falling!
.

WTF is going on with these Engines, its not like its a brand new design is it!

35 miles and a Cel comes on! Unbelievable. Not impressed Dodge. :(

swexlin

07-05-2015, 06:45 PM

Can you PM me with details, or post them here? I am not too worried about it, but your describing it as a nightmare peaks my interest.

I think you meant Mamba52, not me. However, there have been issues with some oil sending units in some Vipers (and Jeeps and Chryslers too, they share the part) according to my Viper tech. Not sure if this is your issue though. Pretty sure you would have erratic or no oil pressure reading if the sender were bad.

Fatboy 18

07-05-2015, 06:50 PM

The sky is falling!
.

Seriously, for the monies one now has to pay for one of these bad boys, the so called testing that is done in the factory. The amount of failures and Replacement Engine problems has been rather high!

Why? Sure other car manufactures have issues, but there seem to be a hell of a lot of problems, be it in the Engine run in period or otherwise!

Yes we are all car fans here and like to stand up for the cars we own but there really should not be all the Engine issues we have seen on this website.

viperdriver5150

07-05-2015, 07:40 PM

WTF is going on with these Engines, its not like its a brand new design is it!

35 miles and a Cel comes on! Unbelievable. Not impressed Dodge. :(

Hey, he made it 29 more miles than my car did. That code could be more serious. Did the car go into limp mode at all.

Check out this thread...

http://driveviper.com/forums/threads/8256-Did-my-car-go-into-limp-mode?p=126709#post126709

My car stopped running though, and it would not restart but had a code similar.

ViperSmith

07-05-2015, 07:40 PM

Hopefully it is something minor. I have Chris's phone number somewhere if you want to call him in the AM.

dethred

07-05-2015, 09:06 PM

Hopefully it is something minor. I have Chris's phone number somewhere if you want to call him in the AM.

Yep, I'll be giving them a call as soon as they open. I believe you PM'ed me the info a few weeks ago. Thanks!

Concerning problems with these cars, I personally am not bothered by it. My main concern is potentially having to tow the car and allow someone else to drive it (but ViperSmith has given me some advice on where to go and who to trust). If anything this keeps me from blowing through 500 miles the first week, so it's not all bad.

viperdriver5150

07-05-2015, 10:00 PM

Mamba52

07-05-2015, 10:22 PM

Here is a clip of mine. Notice the oil pressure.

https://youtu.be/DJBwpxqtWzI

dethred

07-05-2015, 10:52 PM

Here is a clip of mine. Notice the oil pressure.

https://youtu.be/DJBwpxqtWzI

Can't view it, the video is set as private.

dethred

07-05-2015, 11:00 PM

You have a really good attitude. I must say the quality control of the products coming from Chrysler concerns me. My Viper died and they bought it back, so I bought a new Chrysler 200c to replace my Dodge Dart since I didn't have the Viper anymore and figured I could use something a little nicer to get by until I decide what to do.

Two weeks after owning the new 200c it died in my mothers driveway thank god (mind you 600 miles on the car), again had to be towed to a dealer and 5 days later the PCM being replaced.

I honestly don't know why it doesn't bother me. I usually get ticked off if there's a rattle or something small, this is the first major issue I've had with a new car (Albeit I've only owned Japanese vehicles).

I think it's how blown away I am with the vehicle as a whole. The interior is the nicest in which I've ever been surrounded, the appearance and performance of the car are all amazing. Add onto that the fact that my girlfriend was able to fall asleep when I was cruising around at 50mph, and it's the best thing ever. I was expecting Corvette level quality but it is just unbelievably good and on a whole new level. I even love the theater of climbing my short ass out of the car ungracefully and burning myself on the rocker panel. It's a pure sports car and it's 10x what I've always dreamt it would be.

Mamba52

07-05-2015, 11:09 PM

Fixed

https://youtu.be/DJBwpxqtWzI

viperdriver5150

07-05-2015, 11:14 PM

dethred

07-06-2015, 12:09 AM

Fixed

https://youtu.be/DJBwpxqtWzI

I am actually just now uploading a video doing the same thing. Your's sounds like it's not even running on all ten cylinders.

Before I took the video I cleared the CEL codes and ran the motor to see if I could get it to pull a code again. After about 10 minutes of waking up my neighbors with some revving, I still didn't see the code return.

https://youtu.be/wDcmfZyFQgY

dethred

07-06-2015, 12:12 AM

Its funny, when my motor seized (didn't know that at the time) it didn't make me mad. What made me mad was dealing with Chrysler roadside and also the fact I had to let my brand new car sit at a dealer for 3 days to find out it was shot, the motor that is.

That I can understand! I pay extra for USAA towing as a backup plan. These cars should take precedence over the myriad of $20k sedans and SUVs. Did they wait 3 days to even touch the vehicle, or it took them that many days to figure out the obvious?

Jack B

07-06-2015, 01:08 AM

How about 3 million air bags, that is a problem. In addition, the bad oil pressure transducers are in more cars than vipers. If is is just the transducer, that is not a serious problem and it is not one that could have caught during inspection. Try listing the serious problems that were not associated with the owner running with a low oil level.

Seriously, for the monies one now has to pay for one of these bad boys, the so called testing that is done in the factory. The amount of failures and Replacement Engine problems has been rather high!

Why? Sure other car manufactures have issues, but there seem to be a hell of a lot of problems, be it in the Engine run in period or otherwise!

Yes we are all car fans here and like to stand up for the cars we own but there really should not be all the Engine issues we have seen on this website.

Fatboy 18

07-06-2015, 03:23 AM

Hello Jack,
If owners are blowing these engines due to a low oil level you have to ask why? If the Oil dipstick has been a cause of incorrect readings, something needs to be done to the design to stop the problem.
If the problem is down to negligence of the owners, why are these engines being replaced by Dodge?

There have been Oil pump problems too.

If I was a new owner of one of these top class vehicles and suffered any of these problems I would be pretty pissed!
Should I buy a new Viper and ask for a spare engine just in case? Clearly there are issues and these need to be sorted fast for the brand to move forward.

mblgjr

07-06-2015, 03:34 AM

The dipstick is fine. As long as the car is level; its very easy to read/clear cut line.

From my understanding there has been a run of bad oil press sending units within other CDJ products.

Viper problems pale in comparison to the forum-wide panic that ensued amongst 2003-4 SVT Cobra owners. Between having tight piston clearance & poor cooling passages theyd either scuff a piston skirt or cook the valve guides out of em so everyone ran around asking if it had "the tick".

Of course this was followed by the S197 GT500 warped flywheel debacle.

Op: good luck finding the core of your issue. Dont let it bother you; likely something minor/sensor related hopefully

swexlin

07-06-2015, 06:49 AM

That I can understand! I pay extra for USAA towing as a backup plan. These cars should take precedence over the myriad of $20k sedans and SUVs. Did they wait 3 days to even touch the vehicle, or it took them that many days to figure out the obvious?

I have AAA, a MUST with these cars. Pretty cheap insurance. Came in handy recently when I had a nail in my tire. Make sure your car is able to get to a dealer, if dealing with tires. The first tire shop I went to couldn't handle the width. Not meant to hijack the thread, just putting my $0.02 in about towing.

viperdriver5150

07-06-2015, 07:22 AM

That I can understand! I pay extra for USAA towing as a backup plan. These cars should take precedence over the myriad of $20k sedans and SUVs. Did they wait 3 days to even touch the vehicle, or it took them that many days to figure out the obvious?

3 days to touch it which took them 15min to figure out. Waited 5 hours the day it broke for any kind of assistance through as Chrysler could not find my work address in their computer and would not send a tow until they could verify it. It was a complete joke.

Not to mention, I know of 2 more cases in the last 2 weeks of motors needing to be replaced again. A 2013 launch edition and a 2014.

Garron

07-06-2015, 08:42 AM

Here is something else for the tech to check out. The camshaft sensor is directly below the winsheild at the back of the engine. The camshaft connector plugs in straght down into the sensor. If the seal is bad on the camshaft connector water will enter the sensor and damage the sensor and connector. The following picture shows the wiring camshaft connector from a 2014 GTS with the plastic lock removed. The replacement connector is beside it.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb368/Garrettnalepka/camshaft%20wiring_zps04mzzclg.png (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/Garrettnalepka/media/camshaft%20wiring_zps04mzzclg.png.html)

Vehicle has never been in the rain and has only been washed, the car would intermitently stall.

Mamba52

07-06-2015, 10:08 AM

dethred

07-06-2015, 11:19 AM

My dealer replaced the oil control valve and I have had no other problems. Except for the shit sound system :). Headers should fix this problem.

Oil control valve # 5037796-AA. Valve oil #09039007.

And yes on restart it was not running on all 10 cylinders.

https://youtu.be/wDcmfZyFQgY

I am going to call the dealership in a few minutes, but I idled and revved the motor a bit and it sounded and acted fine with no symptoms or CEL returning.

Jack B

07-06-2015, 12:27 PM

It would be interesting to view the oil press at idle

dethred

07-06-2015, 12:36 PM

It would be interesting to view the oil press at idle

On cold start it's right at 80, but it drops to 60 psi when warm.

Jack B

07-06-2015, 12:48 PM

That is normal

dethred

07-06-2015, 01:35 PM

That is normal

I could have sworn it was down in the 30's when coasting yesterday. I'll give it a few miles tonight and see if it comes back.

mblgjr

07-06-2015, 02:03 PM

Mid 30's is appropritate for hot-idle.

~80ish psi cold/high-idle.

dethred

07-06-2015, 09:52 PM

DZnutz

07-06-2015, 10:53 PM

not to thread-jack but how do you change KPA to PSI on the car???

darbgnik

07-06-2015, 11:11 PM

not to thread-jack but how do you change KPA to PSI on the car???

I haven't tried it on this one, but in other cars I have all the readings have to be changed from metric to imperial, but this includes the speedometer.

dethred

07-06-2015, 11:14 PM

I'm not sure. Have you made sure the speed units are set to Mph instead of kph? That's the only metric or Imperial setting I've seen available in the MID.

DZnutz

07-06-2015, 11:24 PM

both u gents must be right... I saw the conversion for the speedo but was not interested in that. Must be a package deal, thanks

Mamba52

07-06-2015, 11:27 PM

Well I drove the car for about 30 minutes tonight and put around 15 mIles on it. The check engine light did not return, and the car felt fine (still seemed ok even with the CEL on). Anyone think it might have been a fluke?

Mine started this way and only got worse. You do have a code stored on your computer I would have them change the oil pressure sending unit. Its something to do with the cam phaser not getting enough oil pressure.

dethred

07-07-2015, 08:27 PM

Mine started this way and only got worse. You do have a code stored on your computer I would have them change the oil pressure sending unit. Its something to do with the cam phaser not getting enough oil pressure.

Can you describe how it progressed in detail? I just put another hour of driving in, the vehicle is now up to almost 80 miles, and the CEL has not returned...

bogdan

07-08-2015, 05:10 PM

If the problem persists, Chris and Mike at Ourisman in Alexandria are the people to see. Very happy with their service.

ViperSmith

07-08-2015, 05:20 PM

If the problem persists, Chris and Mike at Ourisman in Alexandria are the people to see. Very happy with their service.

yep!

you have a stryker orange?

bogdan

07-08-2015, 05:24 PM

yep!

you have a stryker orange?

Adrenaline Red.

o/t I got in contact with them after seeing your recommendation. Fantastic bunch of guys. Thanks!

ViperSmith

07-08-2015, 05:30 PM

Adrenaline Red.

o/t I got in contact with them after seeing your recommendation. Fantastic bunch of guys. Thanks!

We finally have a nice Gen V crowd in the DC/MD/VA area, need some sort of get together sometime.

apeas2

07-08-2015, 07:29 PM

We finally have a nice Gen V crowd in the DC/MD/VA area, need some sort of get together sometime.

All you MD/VA/DC guys, check out Facebook Clarksburg cars and coffee page. We are having our second one this Sunday. Cruise on up and hang for a bit. We are getting some momentum up here in Montgomery County

dethred

07-08-2015, 10:53 PM

Adrenaline Red.

o/t I got in contact with them after seeing your recommendation. Fantastic bunch of guys. Thanks!

Did you go to C&C in Great Falls back in mid June? I saw a Red Gen V driving down Georgetown Pike around the same time as a few Lamborghinis. Everyone flashed their lights for a cop shooting radar a bit further back.

dethred

07-08-2015, 10:55 PM

All you MD/VA/DC guys, check out Facebook Clarksburg cars and coffee page. We are having our second one this Sunday. Cruise on up and hang for a bit. We are getting some momentum up here in Montgomery County

If the forecast is clear I'll try to make it up. Want to go to the Great Falls Katie's C&C on Saturday?

apeas2

07-09-2015, 06:56 AM

If the forecast is clear I'll try to make it up. Want to go to the Great Falls Katie's C&C on Saturday?

Thanks, I cant make Katies this Saturday as my SW2's are being installed. Hope to see you Sunday up in Clarksburg.

supersnake

07-09-2015, 08:46 AM

Go into your SRT pages and turn it off metric and all gauges will be i
n imperial. Your Speedo will remain in metric if you have it set to kph
not to thread-jack but how do you change KPA to PSI on the car???

bogdan

07-09-2015, 08:59 AM

Did you go to C&C in Great Falls back in mid June? I saw a Red Gen V driving down Georgetown Pike around the same time as a few Lamborghinis. Everyone flashed their lights for a cop shooting radar a bit further back.

That was me. :) There was also a Orange T/A there that day (Florida tags)

dethred

07-11-2015, 10:25 PM

That was me. :) There was also a Orange T/A there that day (Florida tags)

I was driving a red s2000 heading towards C&C but I figured that was you. I got lots of pics of the TA and the green 650S. I might make it tomorrow, but I still don't have the car registered because the smart guys at the dealership in CA titled it in California. Basically they only know how to cash a check and have no idea how to help a customer.